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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/03/21 15:26:26
Subject: Product Review: SABOL BATTLEMAT [Pics added]
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Awesome Autarch
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Yeah, it came down to a Zuzzy or the Combatmat for me, and after a long debate I went with Sabol. I have not seen a Zuzzy in person, but everyone has told me it looks great.
The textured rocks actually look pretty good in real life. The plains Mat does not have that, it is flat basically. I actually ordered the plains mat, but got the desert! That is the only time the Warstore has mixed up an order on me. I am OK with the desert Mat though, no one else in my club has a desert themed mat so I will stick with it.
And not seeing the advert before buying it was EXACTLY why I was so mad, because as a lot of others have said, knowing it was there, I would not have bought it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/03/21 15:28:13
Subject: Product Review: SABOL BATTLEMAT [Pics added]
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Ridin' on a Snotling Pump Wagon
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COuld they not have extended it by a foot in width, and used the excess 6" on either side to print the advert on, and provide somewhere convenient for dead models or reinforcments to be placed in the mean time?
Got to say, with the 2D nature and the Advert, I'm not terribly impressed.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/03/21 15:55:21
Subject: Re:Product Review: SABOL BATTLEMAT [Pics added]
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Orlanth wrote:To me the boulders with shadows do not look realistic at all. the sand on bare stone was ok, but boulders on flat 2d doesnt even look good from a photo, to me it would look even worse up close.
You really have to see the mat in person to understand why there are shadows on it. The top of the mat is literally a high res picture(we couldn't decide if it was one of those telescope/satellite/probe pictures of Mars or just a picture of a desert) printed onto the mat. It does look very good and very well done and then you hit that line of white text(they could have at least done it in black so it was easier to ignore, I may have bought one then) and the whole feel of the mat drops. Everyone at the club last night who saw it commented on the damn advert.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/03/21 16:17:27
Subject: Product Review: SABOL BATTLEMAT [Pics added]
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Executing Exarch
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I was looking at there web site and the pictures they have up makes it look like only SD-COMBATMAT "PLAINS" comes with the slowed advert, If you bought the "sands" mat I can see why you would be pissed. This sort of thing makes me shy away from buying anything from sabol. Next thing you know there bags will have advert gak all over them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/03/21 16:42:15
Subject: Product Review: SABOL BATTLEMAT [Pics added]
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Stealthy Space Wolves Scout
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Wow ... really poor planning on Sobol's part.
Thanks for the heads-up ... like others, I will not be buying one until that advert is removed (and not cut off).
I've just ordered Zuzzy's matt samples to decide which ONE I want to order. As it stands now, I want all three but my wallet kick my butt if I did that !!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/03/21 16:46:53
Subject: Product Review: SABOL BATTLEMAT [Pics added]
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Ridin' on a Snotling Pump Wagon
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Looking at the pics on their website, is it just me, or would others take the writing on the matt as a watermark on the picture to ensure if it's used elsewhere, others know who made it?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/03/21 17:11:49
Subject: Product Review: SABOL BATTLEMAT [Pics added]
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Awesome Autarch
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I thought it was a watermark too, which was one of my points to Mr. Sabol as the other three pics do not show it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/03/21 18:00:39
Subject: Re:Product Review: SABOL BATTLEMAT [Pics added]
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Grovelin' Grot
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Man that advert really kills it  . i am going to with the Zuzzy's mat
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/03/21 18:17:49
Subject: Product Review: SABOL BATTLEMAT [Pics added]
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Clousseau
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Looks very nice. The Advert could be fixed on Sabol's part by putting it on the other side of the mat (which other companies do). A shame...I guess you'll have to get into Warmachine/Hordes and start playing on a 4x4
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/03/21 18:48:21
Subject: Product Review: SABOL BATTLEMAT [Pics added]
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Highlord with a Blackstone Fortress
Adrift within the vortex of my imagination.
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Reecius wrote:I actually ordered the plains mat, but got the desert!
Well the lettering aside here is a 100% bona fide reason to send the mat back. Its desert not plains, and thus is the wrong item. You are not being picky, perhaps you use flock or static grass basing or just want a temperate battlefield.
Return the mat, get a Zuzzy or IMHO better yet get some grass green cloth dye (or desert yellow), a goodly size of cheap material and make your own. You can either sew the material onto backing or glue it onto a hard base. You can create folds in a hard base battlefield by glueing the say 6x4 cloth onto three 2x4 boards. Don't forget to get another yard of cloth for covering your hills, this also means your hills directly match your mat. Recommendeed and much cheaperr.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/03/21 19:39:30
Subject: Product Review: SABOL BATTLEMAT [Pics added]
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Soul Token
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go zuzzy - i'll provide a review on it when I can
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/03/26 23:14:47
Subject: Product Review: SABOL BATTLEMAT [Pics added]
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Regular Dakkanaut
Washington State
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Did you manage to straighten out the Sabol mat by putting in between your mattress, think that is what you said you did, ?
Has anyone here used Zuzzy and if so, what are the thoughts on taht one?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/03/27 04:47:24
Subject: Product Review: SABOL BATTLEMAT [Pics added]
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Awesome Autarch
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Yeah, it is as flat as a pancake now, no curl at all.
I am going to write an article in the article section as soon as I have a minute to spare.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/03/27 05:39:58
Subject: Product Review: SABOL BATTLEMAT [Pics added]
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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Ah. Now I see that print out. That's... not good. I can understand they want to put their name on it, but does it have to be 4 feet of big white text?
BattleTech mapsheets have the BTech logo, the copyrights, the name of the map sheet, the map pack it came from, and it's all tiny and down the bottom in a way that doesn't get in the way. That printing detracts from what is otherwise a very effective terrain maker or board enhancer.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/03/27 14:06:06
Subject: Product Review: SABOL BATTLEMAT [Pics added]
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Awesome Autarch
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Yeah, it is annoying as all hell, really a shame because in all other respects, I love the Mat.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/03/27 14:48:44
Subject: Product Review: SABOL BATTLEMAT [Pics added]
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Rampaging Furioso Blood Angel Dreadnought
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Add me to the masses of: "Lulz no way." I have to say, this is one of the better reviews as well. Honestly, we have a lot of great products for us out there, and it's great to hear about them. But it's rare we get something as assinine as this. I mean, an advert on a terrain map? Really? That's a good idea? Why couldn't he have just provided an advert in a protective tubing or some such? It's not like Sabol doesn't have any other products out there. We'll see what happens, maybe they will print a non-Downs Syndrome version.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/03/27 18:55:47
Subject: Product Review: SABOL BATTLEMAT [Pics added]
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Stealthy Space Wolves Scout
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Hi all -
I mentioned above (last week) that I had ordered the Zuzzy Mat Samples. Well, they arrived and I am most impressed. They are all fantastic and well detailed.
Of the three, my least favorite is the Verdant Fields because, IMO, it's a little too hyper-textured ... to the point it looked like a shag carpet to me. But that's just me. I tend not to play on green fields anyway. BTW, the website does a very good job of showing the texture and with a miniature for scale.
Given the nature of the other two mats, The Despoiled Reaches and The Ruined Land, you could get by without even drybrushing them I suppose. The samples, while a good 3"x6" size didn't show all the detail so there may be some features that you'd want to add some color to.
Finally, the mats are thin and will roll and store easily but, given the material, I expect the large ones will lie flat when unrolled.
Oh, another benefit I thought of the other night after a typical clumsy gamer spill ... these are water proof !!
At any rate, for me, I'm sold on these and will be ordering shortly.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/03/27 21:45:58
Subject: Product Review: SABOL BATTLEMAT [Pics added]
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Awesome Autarch
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Cool, you should post a review with some pics when you get it, I am very curious to check this out.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/03/27 22:22:31
Subject: Product Review: SABOL BATTLEMAT [Pics added]
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Bounding Assault Marine
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I really want a Zuzzy mat, but man they are like $65 shipped for a 4x6. thet are so nice looking though!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/03/27 22:39:47
Subject: Re:Product Review: SABOL BATTLEMAT [Pics added]
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Sneaky Kommando
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Here's my review, sort of in regard to zuzzy (maybe Malfred will make it into an article or something).
http://www.freewebs.com/thespire/40kterrain.htm
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/03/28 16:01:59
Subject: Product Review: SABOL BATTLEMAT [Pics added]
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Awesome Autarch
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Wow, that is a sweet looking table with all the terrain, Tazok.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/03/28 19:46:36
Subject: Product Review: SABOL BATTLEMAT [Pics added]
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Soul Token
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I'll get a video, and picture review on zuzzy game mat.
It took me about 4 hours to paint that crap ;P
ITS WORTH IT THOUGH.
It doesnt even curl hahah.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/03/28 21:17:54
Subject: Product Review: SABOL BATTLEMAT [Pics added]
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Awesome Autarch
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Sweet, looking forward to a video review, that will be ace!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/03/29 05:11:58
Subject: Product Review: SABOL BATTLEMAT [Pics added]
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Freaky Flayed One
Detroit,MI
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I really don't mind the advert. it looks like a great mat to me. I just don't need one yet.(plenty of places with mats/boards to play on.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/03/29 06:38:21
Subject: Product Review: SABOL BATTLEMAT [Pics added]
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Serious Squig Herder
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Good thing I don't use battle mats.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/03/29 08:03:25
Subject: Product Review: SABOL BATTLEMAT [Pics added]
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Abhorrent Grotesque Aberration
Hopping on the pain wagon
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Wow, I was going to order one and now I won't because of the ad - hell they can print their entire effing catalog on the back of it and I will advertise from here to NY but if there is anything on the gaming side, that rules it right out for me.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/03/29 08:21:18
Subject: Product Review: SABOL BATTLEMAT [Pics added]
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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Honestly, and I do NOT mean this disrespectfully... I don't get it.
So, you're buying a product with an advertisement on it. Okay. Fine.
Do you get upset because your soda can says "Coca-Cola" across it? Or "Sprite."
What about that "ADIDAS" on your shoes.
Would you expect Ford, Chevy, etc. to remove all indications of who made the car you bought?
The majority of products we buy today are covered in advertisements. This one just happens to advertise the location where it may be purchased, rather than who the maker is.
Also, and this is just IMO, I don't think it ruins the aesthetics of the mat any more than those plastic disks with the black edge ruin the aesthetics of the minis we play the game with.
For those of you who state that you won't buy the mat for *this* reason, I think it's a poor decision. It's a solid product with an excellent history in user reviews, over all.
Just my 2 cents.
Eric
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/03/29 09:04:40
Subject: Product Review: SABOL BATTLEMAT [Pics added]
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Towering Hierophant Bio-Titan
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Bases are, unfortunately, necessary in order for the models to stand up, thus enhancing the aesthetics of the game! With the rims painted and the top dressed correctly they can be easily overlooked. White writing is in no way beneficial to the aesthetics of the game.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/03/29 09:11:17
Subject: Re:Product Review: SABOL BATTLEMAT [Pics added]
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Storm Trooper with Maglight
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I think it's has more to do with the nature of the product having an ad rather than just the ad itself. The ENTIRE point of the product is to make your battlefield look more realistic. If you didn't care or want that you wouldn't be interested in a battle mat in the first place, you'd find a 4x6 table and just play. But since you're buying their product to make your battlefield look more like a real one the ad is a poor decision that takes away from what the product is trying to achieve.
To use your coke comparison, how happy would you be if every coke can had a little plastic Coke-a-Cola piece in the can that you had to fish out before drinking it. The point of the coke is to drink it, and you still can but there's some extra hassle associated with doing so. Sure you can play on the map but there's something taking away from the point of it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/03/29 09:20:31
Subject: Product Review: SABOL BATTLEMAT [Pics added]
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Soul Token
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@ MM - Bases.. dont have GW writing all over it. . . .
thats all, i have to put in.
SABOL COMBAT MAT
Photo textured.
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ZUZZY DESPOILED REACHES
Its actually textured. Costs exactly the same as Sabol. No advert.
I'm still working on getting pics, just been busy.
I think there is a clear winner.
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