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Sincity wrote:GW has earned "Bashing" . They have tried over the last year and a half to two years to make it better , I will give them credit.

But they're not the cute , young girl they were when we started dating them , and we're not the 15 year old hormone driven young lads eather. It's going to take a little more than batting her eye and saying "sorry for being a B!tch last night" to keep us in love with her.

Sincity... you're my new hero.

Deadshane1 wrote:

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Seriously....how do you come to this conclusion from the information given in this thread?

Ummm....because I heard it from a reliable source?

Well, if you believe this reliable source, why speculate, it sounds like you are convinced? if you aren't convinced, then why bring it up, unless you are pushing an agenda?

I mean he can't go, why go to all the trouble to push a conspiracy theory? What is gained by it?

two_heads_talking wrote:

Deadshane1 wrote:

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Seriously....how do you come to this conclusion from the information given in this thread?

Ummm....because I heard it from a reliable source?

Well, if you believe this reliable source, why speculate, it sounds like you are convinced? if you aren't convinced, then why bring it up, unless you are pushing an agenda?

I mean he can't go, why go to all the trouble to push a conspiracy theory? What is gained by it?

You're right, next time I hear about something that effects the tournement community I wont even bother to bring it up for discussion. I mean, its not like anybody that goes to tournements cares about this at all is it....if they did, we'd have more than 1 or two posts in this thread discussing it.

I'm all about discussion, but not so much about spin-doctoring..

two_heads_talking wrote:I'm all about discussion, but not so much about spin-doctoring..

Noones campaigning against GW here. So why deviate from the topic of discussion pointing fingers at people?

I simply heard something from a decent source and wondered if anyone else had heard anything about it.

Deadshane1 wrote:

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Seriously....how do you come to this conclusion from the information given in this thread?

Ummm....because I heard it from a reliable source?

oooh!...oooh! Lemme guess! Your source was wearing a red shirt? Or was it "someone who used to work for GW"?

Seriously. It's all conjecture and conspiracy theory. Someone can't come to an event. It happens.

mikhaila wrote:

Deadshane1 wrote:

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Seriously....how do you come to this conclusion from the information given in this thread?

Ummm....because I heard it from a reliable source?

oooh!...oooh! Lemme guess! Your source was wearing a red shirt? Or was it "someone who used to work for GW"?

....I said a reliable source.

I think there are a few things going on here:
1. GW designers are supposed to be designing, rather than marketing.
2. GW wants to keep the designers at *their* Official events
3. GW is pushing casual (Apoc) play over RTTs

So that's three strikes against their designers appearing as marketing guys at non-GW RTTs, and all of them affect the bottom line:
1. NEW product
2. GW events
3. Apoc bulk model sales

Or Alessio genuinely cannot make it, not giving the reason as it is a peronal one.

Edited by Inquisition as being inappropriate. What Dronze really meant to say is he likes to shred paper.

Deadshane1 wrote:

two_heads_talking wrote:I'm all about discussion, but not so much about spin-doctoring..

Noones campaigning against GW here. So why deviate from the topic of discussion pointing fingers at people?

Who is this "Noones" you mention?

Does he work for GW?

JohnHwangDD wrote:I think there are a few things going on here:
1. GW designers are supposed to be designing, rather than marketing.
2. GW wants to keep the designers at *their* Official events
3. GW is pushing casual (Apoc) play over RTTs

So that's three strikes against their designers appearing as marketing guys at non-GW RTTs, and all of them affect the bottom line:
1. NEW product
2. GW events
3. Apoc bulk model sales

-logic

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Or Alessio genuinely cannot make it, not giving the reason as it is a peronal one.

-speculation

Dronze wrote:

Deadshane1 wrote:

mikhaila wrote:

Deadshane1 wrote:

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Seriously....how do you come to this conclusion from the information given in this thread?

Ummm....because I heard it from a reliable source?

oooh!...oooh! Lemme guess! Your source was wearing a red shirt? Or was it "someone who used to work for GW"?

....I said a reliable source.

Wang's logic only holds up assuming GW have banned their peeps from speaking at non GW Events.

Ergo, it is just as much speculation as mine.

Deadshane1 wrote:

Dronze wrote:

Deadshane1 wrote:

mikhaila wrote:

Deadshane1 wrote:

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Seriously....how do you come to this conclusion from the information given in this thread?

Ummm....because I heard it from a reliable source?

oooh!...oooh! Lemme guess! Your source was wearing a red shirt? Or was it "someone who used to work for GW"?

....I said a reliable source.

You keep yammering on about this RELIABLE source, but you have yet to actually fill us in on who they are in the scheme of GW or Adepticon... or anything else for that matter.

Not to be crass, but that's like me saying that your mother, sister, and grandmother all give REALLY good head, and I know this because I was told by a reliable source, ya know?

-useless noise that has nothing really to do with the question posted.

Is it, though? I tend to find that when people are posting such speculation that their own credability needs to be taken into account, especially given that you're claiming that your information and source are "reliable", without actually providing any evidence to support your claims, so I wouldn't call it "useless noise", I'd call it me calling BS at your claims.

He said he heard this from an anonymous source and he's looking for confirmation... Let's Get Him!!

...

Geez guys, calm down.

Deadshane, looks like the answer is no, no one else has heard that rumor.

Dronze wrote:Is it, though? I tend to find that when people are posting such speculation that their own credability needs to be taken into account, especially given that you're claiming that your information and source are "reliable", without actually providing any evidence to support your claims, so I wouldn't call it "useless noise", I'd call it me calling BS at your claims.

What "claims" are you talking about? I'm not making any "claims". I heard something, I posted here since I thought it would be an interesting discussion.

I dunno how my credability needs to be taken into account.

Take a Valium.

Ozymandias wrote:He said he heard this from an anonymous source and he's looking for confirmation... Let's Get Him!!

...

Geez guys, calm down.

Deadshane, looks like the answer is no, no one else has heard that rumor.

Yea, for the most part you're right...on both counts.

Deadshane1 wrote:

two_heads_talking wrote:I'm all about discussion, but not so much about spin-doctoring..

Noones campaigning against GW here. So why deviate from the topic of discussion pointing fingers at people?

I simply heard something from a decent source and wondered if anyone else had heard anything about it.

I'm no more fingerpointing than you are, except that you have a 'reliable source' as your scapegoat, while I merely have to take the brunt of any negative impact myself. Perhaps I'm just pointing the finger at myself..

two_heads_talking wrote:

Deadshane1 wrote:

two_heads_talking wrote:I'm all about discussion, but not so much about spin-doctoring..

Noones campaigning against GW here. So why deviate from the topic of discussion pointing fingers at people?

I simply heard something from a decent source and wondered if anyone else had heard anything about it.

I'm no more fingerpointing than you are, except that you have a 'reliable source' as your scapegoat, while I merely have to take the brunt of any negative impact myself. Perhaps I'm just pointing the finger at myself..

I guess sometimes you just have to bow to the absurd.

Fine, I'll be at Adepticon this weekend...availiable for to be nailed to a cross.

(by the way...If I WAS pointing fingers at anyone, a BIG 'IF', then at least I'm pointing fingers at noone here...simply asking a question about GW)

Don't worry, next time I hear a rumour that I'm trying to get some confirmation on, I guess I'll go to warseer since dakka seems unable to discuss such subjects without a friggin' witch-hunt.

now that's the spin doctor I was looking for.. Glad he showed up, I was wondering where he was..

Discussion doesn't always go your way and we might not agree, but running away and claiming you been victimized is just a bit over the top no?

Deadshane1 wrote:I heard this as some scuttlebutt concerning Alessio's not attending Adepticon as was planned. Anyone heard anything about this? Is it only Indy Tournements that they are not allowed to attend anymore? Any substance to this rumour?

This is Deadshane's first post. Yeah, I see what you're saying, he's so full of BS in this post, not at all just asking if anyone else has heard anything. God, what a loser. I bet that all the WC are losers too.

Deadshane1 wrote:I heard this as some scuttlebutt concerning Alessio's not attending Adepticon as was planned. Anyone heard anything about this? Is it only Indy Tournements that they are not allowed to attend anymore? Any substance to this rumour?

Dude, not being funny but look at your chosen title and opening post.

All we, you, or seemingly your source knows, is that Alessio isn't attending Adepticon this year. The rest? Dunno where that came from. But at least you put the question mark AND clearly stated it was a rumour.

Because GW doesn't pay attention to what they're hiring.

Seriously, their service sucks ass, and my FLGS had a GW rep run our most recent tournament. He f*cked up the scores so badly that I ended up 'accidentally' winning.

But I didn't care of course, as long as I got my $50

two_heads_talking wrote:now that's the spin doctor I was looking for.. Glad he showed up, I was wondering where he was..

Discussion doesn't always go your way and we might not agree, but running away and claiming you been victimized is just a bit over the top no?

Yep, you got me. Boy do I feel dumb.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Deadshane1 wrote:I heard this as some scuttlebutt concerning Alessio's not attending Adepticon as was planned. Anyone heard anything about this? Is it only Indy Tournements that they are not allowed to attend anymore? Any substance to this rumour?

Dude, not being funny but look at your chosen title and opening post.

All we, you, or seemingly your source knows, is that Alessio isn't attending Adepticon this year. The rest? Dunno where that came from. But at least you put the question mark AND clearly stated it was a rumour.

Nothing about the first post OR the title is accusing in any way.

You guys need to calm down. I posted a thread for discussion. I fail to see what your collective problem is.

Ozymandias wrote:

This is Deadshane's first post. Yeah, I see what you're saying, he's so full of BS in this post, not at all just asking if anyone else has heard anything. God, what a loser. I bet that all the WC are losers too.

Actually THIS is why I should feel stupid.

Put a WC banner in your sig and your instantly "Mr. Wrong".




(three posts in a row....2000 here I come! 24 till 1st page of members!)

Agamemnon2 wrote:

wyomingfox wrote:@ BrookM...Ummm... whats with the sig

Been wondering about that for a while now, too.

frgsinwntr wrote:yea... I'm creeped out.

padixon wrote:That is one F'ed up sig...

It's just a sig.

But....but....nobody mentioned the WC until Ozy did?

STIGMATA

Just to clarify a few inaccuracies :

Alessio is NOT employed as a games designer, nor is he employed on a fulltime basis by GW.

See here. He's been part time with GW for about a year now.

Because he is also running River Horse games as his new venture.

Given that Black Library are attending and seeing as Gav Thorpe and Chris Robeson- who both contract for BL-- are attending I think it's fairly obvious GW have no beef or goal to stop people attending as such. I think Mr. Shane you've been misinformed.