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Wasn't this reported already?

Both the DE book rumored by Kelly and the reporting in BoLS?

I don't have the time to check the DE rumor links, but I'm pretty sure this DE "news" was covered, prior to the "shelving" announcement.

As always, I only ask that someone *show* something.

Yeah, I could I have sworn I heard that Phil was writing the DE book some time ago through the rumor mill, and there was nothing of substance to back it then either (not to say it isn't happening).

Welll at least its not the pics of those sculpted
Haemonculus (taken at a gamesday in Spain I think it was)again.

Indeed.

But imperial armour six: Whatever it si going to be called
Orks and elysians.

Passes out/.

Yippies!

Why cant we ever get a snitch inside GW with real info and pics? i mean why cant we raise some money and bribe the top brass?

Add a truth serum to the bugman's on open day.

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Kid_Kyoto wrote:What terrible news.

I was clinging to hope GW would move forward instead of wasting limited designers time and sculptors' energy on an army fans resoundingly rejected 10 years ago.

I have a shelf full of 1st place trophies and prizes I've won with my "resoundingly rejected" army. I don't know what was better, winning the tournaments I've taken them to, or the before look on people's faces that told me how much DE suck just before our game started and then their look after I tabled them with my DE by turn 4 of the game.

Relapse wrote:]

Kid_Kyoto wrote:What terrible news.

I was clinging to hope GW would move forward instead of wasting limited designers time and sculptors' energy on an army fans resoundingly rejected 10 years ago.

I have a shelf full of 1st place trophies and prizes I've won with my "resoundingly rejected" army. I don't know what was better, winning the tournaments I've taken them to, or the before look on people's faces that told me how much DE suck just before our game started and then their look after I tabled them with my DE by turn 4 of the game.

Bully for you.

the fact is the DE were the first full army since Rogue Trader, push heavily in the starter box, and the only army since the squats to be pulled from stores for low sales.

No one can say they didn't get a chance, and they failed. Sure GW can double down on them, but why? Especially when people are clamoring for Lost and Damned, unified Inquisition, Adeptus Mech or a new Xenos.

GW is set on doing two things. First is to support all currently existing armies. Second is to reduce the shelf space each army takes up. Both leading to the inevitable consequence of GW trying to fill that space with something new. GW isn't stupid, even though they stuck by the decision they know that killing squats was a negative and doing the same to DE after saying otherwise would hurt them. GW makes the statement of their desire to continue supporting armies because without that players would be less inclined to drop the $1000 for an army.

No one will really want to start a new army if the lingering prospect of losing support of your armies hangs over your head.

aka_mythos wrote:GW is set on doing two things. First is to support all currently existing armies. Second is to reduce the shelf space each army takes up. Both leading to the inevitable consequence of GW trying to fill that space with something new. GW isn't stupid, even though they stuck by the decision they know that killing squats was a negative and doing the same to DE after saying otherwise would hurt them. GW makes the statement of their desire to continue supporting armies because without that players would be less inclined to drop the $1000 for an army.

No one will really want to start a new army if the lingering prospect of losing support of your armies hangs over your head.

What more support do the Dark Elfs who are also in Space need? They have a codex, they have models, no one bought them, the few who are interested can get them from mail order.

Move on.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:the fact is the DE were the first full army since Rogue Trader, push heavily in the starter box, and the only army since the squats to be pulled from stores for low sales.

No one can say they didn't get a chance, and they failed. Sure GW can double down on them, but why? Especially when people are clamoring for Lost and Damned, unified Inquisition, Adeptus Mech or a new Xenos.

Pushed heavily? Really? Let's take a look, shall we?

Army box: 20 Dark Eldar Warriors, 2 Splinter Cannons. Against 10 Space Marine Tacticals (Missile Launcher, flamer), and a Landspeeder. Not even close in being equal in strength or usefulness. Space Marines win. Dark Eldar lose. Strike one.

Then, second codex out of the gate. A whopping 50 pages, with about 6 of those being army list. Bad/lacking fluff. One page of wargear. Most units stink, badly. Stike two.

Models come out after. Mostly dreck. Strike three.

Gee, if that is GW "pushing heavily", I don't know what to say. Facing off against Marines, limited model selection, poor matchup, second "no fluff" codex. Yeah, they were primed to be a primo army.

And I'm a DE player, build the army in the last two years, it wins more than it loses. Models bad? Yup. Still effective? Yup. If Phil Kelly is writing it, and they decide to actually release it, I think it'll be a solid book. Phil writes good stuff overall, and usually there are one or two powerhouse units/abilities in there as well.

*edited spelling

I removed all the off-topic posts from this thread.

I know it's tempting to bait me, but don't post any more pics of the haemonculus test greens, the Jes Goodwin jetbike, or anything else that we've seen a dozen times before.

And any pictures of ANYone's anus will get you a lifetime ban from Dakka.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

aka_mythos wrote:GW is set on doing two things. First is to support all currently existing armies. Second is to reduce the shelf space each army takes up. Both leading to the inevitable consequence of GW trying to fill that space with something new. GW isn't stupid, even though they stuck by the decision they know that killing squats was a negative and doing the same to DE after saying otherwise would hurt them. GW makes the statement of their desire to continue supporting armies because without that players would be less inclined to drop the $1000 for an army.

No one will really want to start a new army if the lingering prospect of losing support of your armies hangs over your head.

What more support do the Dark Elfs who are also in Space need? They have a codex, they have models, no one bought them, the few who are interested can get them from mail order.

Move on.

I think that's pretty unfair to say. Dark Eldar might not be a very popular line, but it is simply because they've had no support in 10 years. Their codex was rushed, their minis sucked, and everyone was buying up the new marine plastics that were released at the same time. Not many people played Orks after their codex and model line stopped being supported for about 7-8 years either, but I didn't hear you clamoring for them to be dropped. When they were re-released with nice new plastics and updated rules, everyone played them.

I respect your opinion Kid_Kyoto, but simply because you don't like the army doesn't mean GW shouldn't support it.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Relapse wrote:]

Kid_Kyoto wrote:What terrible news.

I was clinging to hope GW would move forward instead of wasting limited designers time and sculptors' energy on an army fans resoundingly rejected 10 years ago.

I have a shelf full of 1st place trophies and prizes I've won with my "resoundingly rejected" army. I don't know what was better, winning the tournaments I've taken them to, or the before look on people's faces that told me how much DE suck just before our game started and then their look after I tabled them with my DE by turn 4 of the game.

Bully for you.

the fact is the DE were the first full army since Rogue Trader, push heavily in the starter box, and the only army since the squats to be pulled from stores for low sales.

No one can say they didn't get a chance, and they failed. Sure GW can double down on them, but why? Especially when people are clamoring for Lost and Damned, unified Inquisition, Adeptus Mech or a new Xenos.

I can't deny there's a lot of potential for different armies and hopfully they'll all see light of day. In my own case there's a bit of selfeshness in wanting to see a new DE codex.

Sgt_Scruffy wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

aka_mythos wrote:GW is set on doing two things. First is to support all currently existing armies. Second is to reduce the shelf space each army takes up. Both leading to the inevitable consequence of GW trying to fill that space with something new. GW isn't stupid, even though they stuck by the decision they know that killing squats was a negative and doing the same to DE after saying otherwise would hurt them. GW makes the statement of their desire to continue supporting armies because without that players would be less inclined to drop the $1000 for an army.

No one will really want to start a new army if the lingering prospect of losing support of your armies hangs over your head.

What more support do the Dark Elfs who are also in Space need? They have a codex, they have models, no one bought them, the few who are interested can get them from mail order.

Move on.

I think that's pretty unfair to say. Dark Eldar might not be a very popular line, but it is simply because they've had no support in 10 years. Their codex was rushed, their minis sucked, and everyone was buying up the new marine plastics that were released at the same time. Not many people played Orks after their codex and model line stopped being supported for about 7-8 years either, but I didn't hear you clamoring for them to be dropped. When they were re-released with nice new plastics and updated rules, everyone played them.

I respect your opinion Kid_Kyoto, but simply because you don't like the army doesn't mean GW shouldn't support it.

I just wanted to point out that, if you look at SW's whose codex is (or was...) very old, while people dropped them because of their rules, and they couldn't buy them in FLGS's any more, just like DE, they still have a solid base of players willing to buy them.

OK, bad grammar, but I'll fix it later. What I'm trying to say is that Space Wolves and DE both got the shaft in terms of codexes and lost their shelf space. GW didn't discontinue SW, so both SHOULD get a new codex.

Wooo
Phil Kelly AND Jes Goodwin. This codex is going to kick copious amounts of posterior.
Hopefully they increase the amount of fluff in the book (hell the best piece of DE fluff isnt even in the book) and give us some awesome models.

Stop feeding the troll, guys.

I've read KK's posts and he's smarter than this.

So he's ether just trying to get a rise out of DE supporters, or he's irrationally prejudiced against the army because his butt still hurts over Latd's removal from the 40k universe.

How did sales of that codex, and miniature line go KK? As far as I, or anyone at GWS is concerned - that sub army was very unpopular and didn't sell at all. And now you're clamoring for a new codex and miniatures? They had their chance 6 years ago and no-one played them....

Right?

Cruentus wrote:

Pushed heavily? Really? Let's take a look, shall we?

Army box: 20 Dark Eldar Warriors, 2 Splinter Cannons. Against 10 Space Marine Tacticals (Missile Launcher, flamer), and a Landspeeder. Not even close in being equal in strength or usefulness. Space Marines win. Dark Eldar lose. Strike one.

Then, second codex out of the gate. A whopping 50 pages, with about 6 of those being army list. Bad/lacking fluff. One page of wargear. Most units stink, badly. Stike two.

Models come out after. Mostly dreck. Strike three.

Gee, if that is GW "pushing heavily", I don't know what to say. Facing off against Marines, limited model selection, poor matchup, second "no fluff" codex. Yeah, they were primed to be a primo army.

And I'm a DE player, build the army in the last two years, it wins more than it loses. Models bad? Yup. Still effective? Yup. If Phil Kelly is writing it, and they decide to actually release it, I think it'll be a solid book. Phil writes good stuff overall, and usually there are one or two powerhouse units/abilities in there as well.

*edited spelling

There were a few more strikes.

The army did not appeal to most competitive players. It’s a myth that competitive players want to play with challenging armies. Competitive players want to win games. The top armies in tournaments are consistently the most powerful, most flexible armies. People notice when the better players ignore an army.

Another strike was the fluff, which did not appeal to many.

I’d like to see them re-done. But, its not realistic to say they were a popular army as some have suggested. They never were popular, they basically flopped.

Now, who can guess the army in either 40K or WFB that has to go to "Mail Order Only" purgatory to make room for DE?

Iorek wrote:I removed all the off-topic posts from this thread.

I know it's tempting to bait me, but don't post any more pics of the haemonculus test greens, the Jes Goodwin jetbike, or anything else that we've seen a dozen times before.

And any pictures of ANYone's anus will get you a lifetime ban from Dakka.

Better thell Luna. With the frequency she changes her Avatar and Sig picture it's only matter of time until she links the wrong pic fron 4chan


I'm still very sceptical about Dark Eldar. Granted, they have a few pretty cool models like their transport or the Elite Guard....okay, those are the only 2 units I can think that look good
Anyway, they really need some interesting fluff. Desperate like.

Dark Eldar, I think were limited by a generally difficult play style and limited list variation. Also a lot of duds unit rules. At the end of the day poor rule design really limited players options and poor miniatures limited the modeling appeal. But the concepts had something to them that made them distinctive. They deserve to get fixed and once they do, they will have growing fan base and GW can move on.

Man, I can't wait for new Dark Eldar. I've had my color scheme planned out for a year now, I've just been waiting for new models.

I would hope that their vehicles get a powerboost, not necesarrily a boost in killiness. A major boost in survivability would be much liked though. AV 10 can only get you so far.

Iorek wrote:And any pictures of ANYone's anus will get you a lifetime ban from Dakka.

Um, WTF?

Someone actually linked to goatse?

Ew.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Iorek wrote:And any pictures of ANYone's anus will get you a lifetime ban from Dakka.

Um, WTF?

Someone actually linked to goatse?

Yeah, why bother when we all have it set as the desktop wallpaper already, right?

Nofasse 'Eadhunta wrote:Space Marines and Orks.

Yeah. They're being discontinued.












...Not.

I loled.

Anyway, I hope that the forces of the Inquisition get some loving sometime before the next edition comes out. I suppose I have to get in line though, because lots of other races have been waiting far longer.

Yeah, why bother when we all have it set as the desktop wallpaper already, right?

I sigged.

Yay Dark Eldar stuff. These guys are really cool... i mean come on, they are basicly the slavers and pirates of the galaxy, right? Someone has to fill the gap.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:
No one can say they didn't get a chance, and they failed. Sure GW can double down on them, but why? Especially when people are clamoring for Lost and Damned, unified Inquisition, Adeptus Mech or a new Xenos.

I have a feeling that Dark Eldar will be that "new" xenos. I'de consider getting them if they were redone, was looking at them as my 2nd army a few years back then I found out you can't get them easily, and their models were dissapointing. I actually built that was it 3rd edition starter set for a friend a few weeks ago (apparently he found one some how unopened), Didn't bother trying to put the DE togther becasue I had no idea where to start and knew that nobody was ever going to use them.

When DE get rereleased I think it will be like the SW update. People will return or start a new army out of nastalgia or the desire to see this "new" army.

I remember being very excited over the first time I ever read about Dark Eldar in the 2nd edition Ultramarine Codex. I thought it would be a fantastic army and waited to see what 3rd edition would bring.

Then, 3rd came out....

These days, the two main armies I play are because of Phil Kelly's writing and/or Jes Goodwin's fantastic miniature capability.

With these two individuals on the same project; sign me up.

I think TSOALR #71 really captured most peoples concept of what the Dark Eldar Where.