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I think Guns depend entirely upon the situation. As Deadshane helpfully illustrated, there are times when having one would be distinctly advantageous, but I would wager in most situations they risk making things worse.

Guns are tools.

Nothing more.

Nothing less.
........................

Used correctly, safe, useful, strengthening.

Incorrectly, dangerous, destructive, horrifying.

...much like any chainsaw, sledgehammer, buldozer or whatever.

Any claim that a gun is anything more than a tool or simple implement is quite frankly...wrong and/or ignorant. (ignorant meant not as a slight but actual ignorance of a gun's use and care)

True enough. Triggers require intention etc.

Put my thoughts down entirely to cultural differences. We're not terribly fond of Bangsticks in the UK, so generally see their use as an over reaction to *most* situations. Not saying this is a superior view, just helping to illustrate probably the largest cultural difference between the UK and US.

We'll just plug a powerdrill through your kneecaps.

Oh, that's the IRA.

Well we'll beat you to a pulp with broken bottles. Who needs 9mm rounds, when we've got rounds of Beer glasses!

sA

Guns get you into trouble very quickly, avoid using one.

if they are like the usual chavs over here then most of the time you can just laugh in thier face, they talk alot but dont really do much.

police over here are about as much use as a chocolate teapot.

if you dont like fighting then i would go with the whole spray idea

if you dont mind a good scrap now and then your better of catching up with each of them when they are on thier own.
as a group they are allways irritating, on thier own they tend to run away most of the time.

That gak happens to me too
i jusr us old english words and when there confused i run

Martial Arts.

I know two friends who used to get picked on at school and college age, learning a martial art gave them confidence plus calm and healthy options to really feth up any tool that gave them grief.

Whilst one of those friends learnt ninjitsu, karate and kickboxing, the other learnt Wing Chun and it's this one I'd recommend based on what I've seen in action, it seems the most practical in terms of being in those close and confined combat situations where you don't have the room or time to perform amazing kicks and throws.

Self defence IMO is a far better and far more legal option than carrying a weapon as you might be tempted to do following an attack against you.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Go for pods. Damned good vicious stomping on the family jewels and they will soon leave you alone.

Remember folks, chavs are chavs in any country because nobody has ever stomped on them to knock them back down.

So vicious bout of violence, then...LEG IT! Just in case. Either way, you have proved yourself a harder target, thus it is likely they will now ignore you.

grots right. nard assault for the win. Second target is eyes, knees, and back of the head. Or just get an American bull terrier. They will "sort out" the situation in a right proper manner as you limeys would say.

Do you have access to pepper spray English? That would be most ideal in this circumstance, now that i think about it.

stompas idea of taking up a self defence class seems like a good idea
and it would help alot when it comes to boosting your confidence.


or, a few tricks that work well:


1: as said allready, a well placed kick to the nuts puts anyone on thier knees in pain

2: elbows are solid.
simply swing like your going to punch someone, make it slightly shorter so your fist does not connect with them, but instead bring your elbow forward instead.
hitting them square in the nose with your elbow tends to hurt alot, and more often than not it will break someones nose.

3: ok, yes, this is very chavvy and a cheapshot, but it works.
headbut them.
aim for the bridge of the nose, make sure its just above your forhead that hits them (otherwise you will get hurt as the top of your head / face are not as solid.



Note: if you are going to hit someone in the nose allways make sure your swinging down onto the nose, it will break and hurt alot, but its safe.
if your swinging up at them (typical uppercut) you stand a chance of killing them via the nose to brain.

And I'll just add one thing from my own experiences in these situations.

Identify the leader.

If your going to have to fight and have run out of room for getting away, Take down the leader first and do it royally, don't get distracted onto other targets, just beat him shitless, maul him into the ground and vent all your rage and hate on him, it will scare the others and give you a good chance to break them up.

stompa made a point i missed here.


easy enough to pick him out, he is usually the one who is shouting the most and casing all the trouble, the others are just sheep.

It also helps to act crazy when in public. Not the Monty Python hopping around gibbering making weird faces, that sort of quite Anthony Perkins crazy that might boil over into horrifying destruction crazy. Most times, I do it pretty good, unless my arthritis is acting up, then I more resemble Marty Feldman's performance of Igor from Young Frankenstein. A quiet person who suddenly stars shouting is much more scary than a flashy jackass who is loud all the time.

Don't escalate the situation, you're gonna get stabbed.

Cattle prod... You know, the very high voltage type . Those 'orrible little oiks won't like that :0

First Rule, Get friends, Have a crowd you hang out with, loyal buddies who will have your back. Here in the U.S.A, It was called having a crew. The only protections we had back in the 80's and early 90's from gamgs were each other. The fighting was usually brutal but usually the worst scum were run out and guys wearing Gang colors were delt with. The cops would never come, and the Media always called it gang on gang violence. you need a crew, so these punks will know that if they mess with you, your boys will be around. A good beat down will send them running with thier tails between the legs.

Get you some homeboys, good friends, what ever you want to call them, there is power in numbers.

Kill them.

Help society by ridding their filth from the gene pool. Then, light their parents on fire as failures to raise a person in modern society, and ensure they cannot breed again.

Go home, have a Coke. Good evening's worth of work.

Mattlov wrote:Kill them.

Help society by ridding their filth from the gene pool. Then, light their parents on fire as failures to raise a person in modern society, and ensure they cannot breed again.

Go home, have a Coke. Good evening's worth of work.

This message endorsed by the Francis David Castle Foundation.

(Francis David Castle aka The Punisher)

I would have clocked the kid in the head.

I am *this close* to getting in the habit of taking my handgun with my under my coat. I don't care if they're only in their only teens, they need to learn that when you feth with an armed man, you get a lump of metal in your foot.

Yes, carry the gun to shoot teenagers. Good call.

Any claim that a gun is anything more than a tool or simple implement is quite frankly...wrong and/or ignorant. (ignorant meant not as a slight but actual ignorance of a gun's use and care)

Except weapons are not tools except in the barest sense of the word, and have no practical application outside of violence.

The thing is, in britain if you beat up one of the chavs and the rest ran away, a few weeks/months later when they next see you,
you could be facing twenty people that aren't afraid to beat you cackless.

Cheese Elemental wrote:I am *this close* to getting in the habit of taking my handgun with my under my coat. I don't care if they're only in their only teens, they need to learn that when you feth with an armed man, you get a lump of metal in your foot.

Dude, don't even do it. The only reason to carry a gun is if you intend to use it. If you are going to use it as a deterrent, you'll just end up dead, or really hurt. Better to just avoid these guys. You are going to run into bullies your whole life. Just part of the great pleasure of living. Some people will beat you up with words, others will do it phsically. Sometimes you just gotta roll with the punches. Just think of it this way, you'll move on with your life, and they'll probably still be hanging on the corner, thinking that they are cool because as a group they can beat up and push around other people. Karma usually comes back to bite those types. No matter how tough you are, there is always some tougher than you are.

You can always hire ninja assassins or pirates. Somali pirates are real cheap these days.

Go the Cartman (from South Park) route. Kill their parents and make chili from their remains, then trick the kids into eating it. [/sarcasm off]

ShumaGorath wrote:

Except weapons are not tools except in the barest sense of the word, and have no practical application outside of violence.

I once saw a documentary of a man who used a .22 rifle to shoot a portrait of Native Americans on sheet metal.

In the name of 'Know Your Foe' I present my potted guide to the three to watch for.

In any group of Chavs/Neds/Bogans/Pikies/spankers, there are usually three easily identifiable members amongst the assorted flotsam and jetsam of a soceity scared of it's own shadow.

1. The Big Goon. Most likely the first of the Gang to have hit puberty. Typically of low intelligence, and as such fairly slow witted. Generally speaking they are more for show against rival gangs of Pikies. Very much unlikely to have ever been chinned before, so often goes down like a lead balloon when you shatter that glass jaw (metaphorically speaking! Self Defense only extends so far!)

2. The Wee Cheeky One. Ah, the runt of the litter. Like the Big Goon, unaccustomed to having his arse thoroughly kicked, as it's just not cricket to skelp the little turd. Usually spotted giving the most verbal and then ducking away when fists start flying.

3. The Leader. Possibly the most dangerous. Easily spotted in Britain by the following 'rank emlbems'. a) Cap at a jauntier angle than his fellows b) Cap worn surprisingly high on his noggin c) More bits of his eyebrows shaved off (no, really. They actually do this!). A mix of brains and brawn, which he has used to subjugate the other members of his 'crew'. As ever, rarely much to worry about in the provincial towns. Bit too addicted to the bollocks Gangsta lifestyle sadly exported by the US music industry. Usually provides a bloody good laugh when reduced to tears or threats of getting his dad on you once knacked, brayed and hoofed.

Martial Arts are good to a point, and that point is generally street fighting. They revolve around rules and stances which all to quickly go out the window. However knowing such techniques gives people more confidence. The more confident you appear, the less likely it is the Chavs (utter cowards by their nature) will pick on you. I'm a 6'3" Goth who walks through one of the rougher estates in my area on a more or less daily basis, and I've been hassled precisely once. Turned on my heel, face down to his level and asked, in not so eloquent terms 'Mayhap sir would care to repeat his statement to my physogimy, you cheeky petitie vagina. No, I suspected one might be reticent in that regard' Absolutely no bother since! And I go out in long skirts and flouncy shirts. If they'll leave me alone, they'll leave anyone alone!

Just utilize Grotsnik's excellent carriage service. Safety and limousine ride all in one. Who could ask for more?

Grotsnik. Pounding haggis and "petite chavs" since 1995.

Frazzled wrote:Grotsnik. Pounding haggis and "petite chavs" since 1995.

So that's what they call it over there........
I had heard it called beating the bishop or pounding the clown, but petite chavs is pretty different......

I've always preferred 'Knocking the Popes Cap off' meself!

Did you not hear me? I'm only about 5"4. Add that to the fact that I'm a bit overweight, slow, and and weak, I don't fare too well in fights. Not when there's two people holding me in place and a third is beating me senseless.

I'm actually really scared now. These guys aren't the stupid chavs you see, they're really brutal kids. You wouldn't believe what you hear; kids like this actually stab people. They beat them with crowbars and in many cases, people die.

Cheese Elemental wrote:Did you not hear me? I'm only about 5"4. Add that to the fact that I'm a bit overweight, slow, and and weak, I don't fare too well in fights. Not when there's two people holding me in place and a third is beating me senseless.

I'm actually really scared now. These guys aren't the stupid chavs you see, they're really brutal kids. You wouldn't believe what you hear; kids like this actually stab people. They beat them with crowbars and in many cases, people die.

In that case, carry one of those voice recorders, and turn it on in your pocket when ever you bump into them.
and hopefully you can use that as evidence and send them to court

Whilst one of those friends learnt ninjitsu, karate and kickboxing, the other learnt Wing Chun and it's this one I'd recommend based on what I've seen in action, it seems the most practical in terms of being in those close and confined combat situations where you don't have the room or time to perform amazing kicks and throws.

You should look up Krav Maga. Its a close quarters fighting style developed by the Israeli army and its all about fighting dirty. It was pretty much made for street fighting.