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as soon as dark eldar get their codex im starting a DE army simple as that i dont really care if they are better or worse than their last codex i just want it to come out ASAP will the release of the DE please hurry lol well i start saving now for it then i could buy a massive army as soon as the DE are released and then they make money so they can bring out more and more xenos codices for everyone to enjoy instead of this stupid loyalist gak

now with rant out of the way im going to finish my chaos army


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I know some armies are suffering in 5th edition but really not by much just try changing your strategy, my friend who plays tau would always complain how my orks would destroy his tau, last saturday he annihilated me with his list.

I know Imperial forces are the back bone of GW but they should alternate Imperial Xenos/chaos.

O ya there's always a way to beat an army, even with a "bad" codex.

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Shep wrote:
Asmodai wrote:Privateer Press just released the entire draft version of their Mk II rules to the public in an "open beta"...

And on the forums I've visited, and in speaking with the warmachine players that I know. It's not going well at all.

I thought that PP WM/H was doing well and people were very excited about the open beta and mk.2 - what aren't they happy about?

   
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Sidstyler wrote:I have to see it to believe it. GW has made promises before and not followed through with them (ask Dark Eldar players. "They're coming guys, honest this time! *snicker*"...), so excuse me for having doubts.

Thank you for giving GW the justification to not speak about things outside the 6 week window. This sentiment is exactly why they're tight lipped. Hardly anyone is so inflexible as to be held to a schedule so many months out. GW feels obliged to remind people that they have the intent of supporting Dark Eldar. That's all we really know.

They've promised support. They've not promised any order, time frame, size, shape, form, price or anything else.

If you only give them spite when they speak, they'll stop speaking and telling us as little as they currently do.
   
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And as Bregalad pointed in Warseer, DE were late 2009 at best if I'm not mistaken.

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Alpharius wrote:I find this post to most excellent in the dispelling of certain myths:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/60/240694.page#728033

As always, much thanks to dienekes96 for doing the research...


Couldn't really disagree more. The "research" is that wolves and blood angels have languished while other books have been redone. That doesn't dispell the fact that a new marine book of some form has come out, and half the armies are marines. And it makes sense for GW as well, because they are easy to do, just add a new sprue for a couple plastics (a la black templars, dark angels and wolves) and bamm! Whole new army.

You also can't "discount" chaos, who have gotten THREE codicies, two in the same edition. That's better than Space Marines. That also doesn't include the other side releases that marines get. Armageddon introduced us to the Black Templars, and Salamanders, and Eye of Terror gave us the 13th company for the wolves. Then there are all the white dwarf "Index Astartes" for each of the first founding and traitor legions. How many White Dwarf articles did we get for other races? Orks got a "Klanz" issue, and Feral Orks, and that's pretty much it.

GW likes to release marines, because it's easy for them to do so and they sell.

Going by the release schedule list...

1998 - Space Marines, Dark Eldar, Blood Angels
1999 - Dark Angles, Chaos Space Marines
2000 - Space Wolves, Tyranids, Eldar
2001 - Tau
2002 - Chaos Space Marines
2003 - Eye of Terror, Demon Hunters, Imperial Guard
2004 - Space Marines
2005 - Black Templars, Tyranids, Tau
2006 -
2007 - Dark Angels, Chaos, Blood Angels (White Dwarf)
2008 - Orks, Demons, Space Marines
2009 - Imperial Guard

So every other year or so, we get space marines of any flavor. And the chaos marines use the same tanks, so its easier for GW to work on them as well. Hell the plastics were sculpted off the multi-part plastic marines and terminators as well. I don't know how you can say anything but the fact that GW pushes marines hard.

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As long as they release Nids every 5 year or so I'm happy, next year its going to be big.

If SM are selling like candies why wouldnt they make more? People buy, GW provides... if people buy more SM they will make more SM.
We could debate that people buy more SM because GW covers them most, I wonder if they focused more on other race if people wouldnt buy that more... But at the the present SM is 40k moneymaker so we have to take it.

   
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I would imagine a broadside plastic kit is coming soon.


Just like the Dark Eldar. Oops!

I just realized we are in the news and rumors section. I would hope you wouldn't post in the 40k section once you've 'walked away'


There are people posting in 40k sections that supposedly haven't played an actual game in years and gave up on GW a long time ago, so I don't see why I'm suddenly barred from doing so because I was pissed off and said I was shelving my army.

If anything I really need to take a break anyway, I've had my Tau since the beginning of 2007 and not a single model is fully painted. I just have more incentive to now than ever before, with the price increases pricing me out of the hobby and annoying number of Marine updates inbound. So no, maybe it's not "OMG I'M QUITTING WARHAMS FOREVER" like it sounded (don't recall ever actually saying that either, just that I was shelving my army and a little sarcasm, so you're putting words in my mouth if that's the case), which would be a pretty stupid move considering how much money I've thrown away on those models these past couple years, but I'm definitely going to take a load off and get some work done at least.

And if nothing else a painted army is probably worth more on eBay than a non-painted one.

Don't misinterpret my response as doubtful. I am sure you've quit.


Quit buying, anyway. At least from anyone that gets stock from GW.

I'm going to assume you only play tau.


What gave it away?

Tau represent just 1/16th of the number of armies currently supported by GW. They aren't even in the imperial force, which is the narrative center of the background.


I couldn't care less about the narrative center of the background, this is a game first and foremost and it needs to be balanced fairly like one. I honestly don't see why my army deserves less attention or has to be sub par because it isn't an Imperial army.

Like I've said before, I almost feel like I'm being punished because I picked the "wrong" army. You don't have to play multiple armies when you pick Marines of any flavor, because there will always be a Marine-related kit or codex coming out. Even if you're a DA player and got boned by your codex, all you have to do is buy the SM codex and you're good to go (unless you do DW/RW). Even CSM players can make fluffy Legion lists using the new Marine book.

What it seems like you want is for a company that is publicly traded to funnel more than 1/16th of its attention to a an army that is not central to their branding and IP, and is only one of MANY armies. I'd advocate starting a new army, one that is far away from tau in the development cycle. It will be much easier for GW to reach you with new releases, and keep you getting new stuff if you made yourself more available to them. If you can't stand anything but tau. Nothing else is even remotely interesting to you, then you are not going to be a member of a demographic that GW has any motivation to appease.


Then why even bother? Why even pretend to give me a choice when there's only one or two armies they want me to play, and if you pick the "wrong" one like I was saying then oh well, it's your own fault if you get skipped on updates or don't get the best rules, should've played what everyone else is playing or bought half the product line so you'd always have another one to fall back on (who the hell has that much money?).

As for starting a new army, well I've been watching Dark Eldar rumors like a hawk for a little over a year...but as we can see from this thread I'm not any better off waiting for them. I have some Orks started, but I've been thinking of selling them off since I'm honestly sick of them now...my original army list I had written up for them kinda got scrapped and I never really figured out what kind of Ork army I really wanted, so they've just been sitting around on sprues gathering dust.

...there's also a five-man squad of CC termies with Salamanders shoulder pads that have been haunting me. I really, really, really don't want a Marine army, but I can't just get rid of them, either.

As far as the competitiveness of Tau... Tau are in great shape in the current 5th edition environment. With mechanized armies taking the forefront on the heels of the new IG codex, tau hasn't been this competitive since their release. There are plenty of informative threads here on dakka from lots of different players that are finding success.


Actually I've been reading He Who Shall Not Be Named's blog a lot lately...he seems to think they're alright but I dunno, I just don't see it. Maybe I'm just too bad.

But I feel that you are holding GW up to standards that it can't, and shouldn't have to, maintain.

I, on the other hand, feel that updating the rules for an army once every 2-3 editions is not impossible, and a wise policy if GW wants the continued support of the people who play with that army.


I dunno, personally I don't think it's that unreasonable, but I'm not going to argue.

They've promised support. They've not promised any order, time frame, size, shape, form, price or anything else.


Then they haven't really promised anything. Just more BS like they've been giving us every year prior. If you're going to "support" an army then you should put your money where your mouth is and prove it, rather than leaving them in limbo with your hand tightly wrapped around the cord, ready to pull the plug at any moment.

Unless in GW world, "support" means selling the same horribad sculpts and outdated codex (direct only) with no serious plans for future kits/rules.

If you only give them spite when they speak, they'll stop speaking and telling us as little as they currently do.


They've earned that spite, and keeping us in the dark because we aren't "worthy" enough to know what they're working on more than 6 weeks out isn't going to help their image any.

I dunno, maybe it is a little unfair, but they kinda brought it upon themselves by lying so many times about DE before, in my opinion. After putting them on the backburner for so long they really shouldn't expect anything but scathing criticism for doing that to people yet again.




Anyway, Shep's probably right, I wouldn't like Warmachine anyway. Never really liked what I've seen of the game...the models aren't too bad (most of the time), but the people who play piss me off. I hate PAGE 5 with a passion and the CCG-styled gameplay turns me off, all it took was one M:TG tournament to make me swear off card games forever. That new elf army looks cool, though.


@NAVARRO: I guess you could say the same thing about DE: the only reason they don't sell is because of poor support and GW won't support them because they don't sell. GW pushes Marines because they sell the most but they only sell well because they get so much more support.

I dunno, I just wish there was some way they could make money without playing favorites and we could all be happy, but that's why I'm an idiot.

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Sidstyler wrote:I couldn't care less about the narrative center of the background, this is a game first and foremost and it needs to be balanced fairly like one. I honestly don't see why my army deserves less attention or has to be sub par because it isn't an Imperial army.


I play an imperial army, and they have had less attention than Tau. My model range is entirely metal, and predominantly from second edition. How are Tau doing there? Fine, eh? My Codex is from third edition, though it was just a butchered version of the second edition codex that got slammed into another army. How are Tau doing there? Fine, eh?

Seriously, have you taken a step back and looked at your arguments? Tau are not that badly off. They have a fourth edition codex that is only a few years old, they have an almost completely plastic line, and there are rumours of new plastics in the future. Part of these rumours were that the fourth edition armies will be receiving `second waves' over the next couple of years, but that has been eclipsed by the double-Marine announcement. The Space Marines are the poster boys, this has been the case since long before I heard of Warhammer! If you do not play the Smurfs, you are not a priority army. If you did not already know this, you have had your head in the sand. Half the armies are MEQ, so every year is guaranteed to have 1-2 MEQ armies done in it. Half the armies are Imperial, so you can guarantee at least one Imperial army every year. These are blindingly obvious facts. Tau are not a high priority? Sorry, but they are not! I would agree, they deserve an update more than the Tyranids, but the Tyranids will probably be one they can push out the door quicker --- they only need a minor update, after all, whereas the Tau deserve a full update this time.

Feel free to continue playing the Martyr, but the Sisters, Grey Knights, Inquisition, Necrons, Squads, Lost and the Damned... OK, the players of damned near every other army will beat you up behind the bike shed.

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Plastic People wrote:
After the presentation, I asked him personally about the progress level of the Dark Eldar. It was in that moment when I begun to cry. He told me Jess didn't finish his work, so IF the push them into production right now, AT LEAST, they are a year far.


That's some good news there, it seems GW is finally realizing that not all of their ideas are brilliant and some just need to die.

Horribly.

In a fire.

- About the chaos legions codex, he said that the games designers have been discussing it long time, but they cannot agree in the way of make one or more codex and other details.

- The traitors and renegades of chaos: Robin said that those armies could fit well in the new IG codex, they don't release any codex for them, but could appear some articles about it in the WD.


Sigh, these however are horrible.

I mean sure you can do chaos guard with the IG book, just like you can do Dark Eldar with the IG book. But not very well.

I guess the money bin is full.

 
   
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Qoute: And on the forums I've visited, and in speaking with the warmachine players that I know. It's not going well at all.


Lay off the crack pipe. MKII has been excellent and our whole gaming group has been playing it exclusively. 2 more 40k die hards have joined our group and never looked backed. MKII streamlining the rules and having a reset with everything in one book should bring even more people into the hobby. I struggle to even play 5th edition any more after games of Warmachine/Hordes.
   
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Kid_Kyoto wrote:
- About the chaos legions codex, he said that the games designers have been discussing it long time, but they cannot agree in the way of make one or more codex and other details.

- The traitors and renegades of chaos: Robin said that those armies could fit well in the new IG codex, they don't release any codex for them, but could appear some articles about it in the WD.


Sigh, these however are horrible.

I mean sure you can do chaos guard with the IG book, just like you can do Dark Eldar with the IG book. But not very well.

I guess the money bin is full.


Hmmm... cause the Rengades list in IA:5 is nothing like the Guard list... Oh wait. It's almost identical. Mutants = Conscripts, add Daemonic and CSM allies in Apocalypse, you've got Rogue Psykers in the list... What else do you want?
   
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A list that is easier to get other than FW. Besides, there is the "c**t-factor": "No I will not play your FW army list because it is FW"



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Vassakov wrote:
Kid_Kyoto wrote:
- About the chaos legions codex, he said that the games designers have been discussing it long time, but they cannot agree in the way of make one or more codex and other details.

- The traitors and renegades of chaos: Robin said that those armies could fit well in the new IG codex, they don't release any codex for them, but could appear some articles about it in the WD.


Sigh, these however are horrible.

I mean sure you can do chaos guard with the IG book, just like you can do Dark Eldar with the IG book. But not very well.

I guess the money bin is full.


Hmmm... cause the Rengades list in IA:5 is nothing like the Guard list... Oh wait. It's almost identical. Mutants = Conscripts, add Daemonic and CSM allies in Apocalypse, you've got Rogue Psykers in the list... What else do you want?


To whine interminably. Haven't you been on Dakka long enough to know that?
   
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JohnHwangDD wrote:
Shep wrote:
Asmodai wrote:Privateer Press just released the entire draft version of their Mk II rules to the public in an "open beta"...

And on the forums I've visited, and in speaking with the warmachine players that I know. It's not going well at all.

I thought that PP WM/H was doing well and people were very excited about the open beta and mk.2 - what aren't they happy about?

The accolade for Mk2 is far from universal, and the upcoming plastic minis are still a giant question mark that will make or break the game for a lot of people. PP is performing abysmally at allaying the fears and suspicions of its fanbase, instead they just show off crappy elf concept art and even more horrible elf miniatures.

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Vassakov wrote:
Hmmm... cause the Rengades list in IA:5 is nothing like the Guard list... Oh wait. It's almost identical. Mutants = Conscripts, add Daemonic and CSM allies in Apocalypse, you've got Rogue Psykers in the list... What else do you want?


But the Lost and the Damned list, which, y'know was actually a legal list, was completely different.

Imagine how sweet an actual mutant sprue and cultist sprue would be?

Sure we can pick some IG units that more or less meet the Chaos cult theme, but we can also make a list for Dark Eldar (Valks=Raiders, Vets=Warriors etc) but IT'S NOT THE SAME.

Hey why don't we just skip that Space Wolf list and tell everyone to count them as vanilla marines, or Templars? they're both assaulty marines right?

The simple fact is Lost and the Damned would be heckuvalot more interesting than MOAR MARINEZZZ!


 
   
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Agamemnon2 wrote:
JohnHwangDD wrote:I thought that PP WM/H was doing well and people were very excited about the open beta and mk.2 - what aren't they happy about?

The accolade for Mk2 is far from universal, and the upcoming plastic minis are still a giant question mark that will make or break the game for a lot of people. PP is performing abysmally at allaying the fears and suspicions of its fanbase, instead they just show off crappy elf concept art and even more horrible elf miniatures.

Interesting, I wasn't aware of thie issues. With the Mk.2 beta, things were sounding good, andI rather liked the concept art, and was getting pretty excited over maybe jumping back in for WM2. Though that elf warcaster model is pretty goofy-looking. Maybe I'll take more of a "wait and see" approach.
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Kid_Kyoto wrote:The simple fact is Lost and the Damned would be heckuvalot more interesting than MOAR MARINEZZZ!

Well, duh.

LatD is also more interesting than spiky emo Eldar.

But not as interesting as Ad Mech.

Doesn't matter, as we're apparently not seeing any of them in the near future.

   
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Well, that's just, like, your opinion man! I think well done Dark Eldar can be way more interesting than a codex that has to piggy back off of two other books and doesn't have a real model range. Fortunately for me it appears GW agrees.

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I have to go to work now, so I'll be able to argue better later. All I'm going to say is, as for the "martyr" comment, you can blame the rest of the community for that one. You can't really blame me for feeling that way when I get my balls busted on a seemingly daily basis for picking the army I did.

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Ozymandias wrote:Well, that's just, like, your opinion man! I think well done Dark Eldar can be way more interesting than a codex that has to piggy back off of two other books and doesn't have a real model range. Fortunately for me it appears GW agrees.


Actually looks like they don't think either would sell since they gave up on the Elfs who are Dark and also in Space halfway through.

Nope.

All they want is MOAR MARINEZZ!

 
   
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Alpharius wrote:I find this post to most excellent in the dispelling of certain myths:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/60/240694.page#728033

As always, much thanks to dienekes96 for doing the research...


Couldn't really disagree more. The "research" is that wolves and blood angels have languished while other books have been redone. That doesn't dispell the fact that a new marine book of some form has come out, and half the armies are marines. And it makes sense for GW as well, because they are easy to do, just add a new sprue for a couple plastics (a la black templars, dark angels and wolves) and bamm! Whole new army.

Going by the release schedule list...

1998 - Space Marines, Dark Eldar, Blood Angels
1999 - Dark Angles, Chaos Space Marines
2000 - Space Wolves, Tyranids, Eldar
2001 - Tau
2002 - Chaos Space Marines
2003 - Eye of Terror, Demon Hunters, Imperial Guard
2004 - Space Marines
2005 - Black Templars, Tyranids, Tau
2006 -
2007 - Dark Angels, Chaos, Blood Angels (White Dwarf)
2008 - Orks, Demons, Space Marines
2009 - Imperial Guard

So every other year or so, we get space marines of any flavor. And the chaos marines use the same tanks, so its easier for GW to work on them as well. Hell the plastics were sculpted off the multi-part plastic marines and terminators as well. I don't know how you can say anything but the fact that GW pushes marines hard.
Actually the "research" is dead on. It counts ARMY releases, not WD articles, not sub-lists, not internet articles. It counts models and Codexes. Because this game is about models more than it is fluff or rules or pictures or anything else.

You assume that Space Marine players are also Space Wolf players. They are not. No more than Eldar players are Dark Eldar players. My Space Wolves have not gotten new models since 2003. I still require TWO books to play my army, the only army to do so.

So you can put "research" in quotes all you want, but I explained a) my rationale and metrics and b) cited actual data - which is the scientific method after all. And your list is missing data. Which makes it worthless.

I DON'T PLAY SPACE MARINES. Could I rep my list with SM? Sure. So could you, with half an ounce of wit and imagination. So that excuse doesn't wash. Whine about Space Marines. Not the Space Wolves. And not the Blood Angels, who haven't seen new models in 11 years.

And eat **** while you are at it. That goes for anyone who whines about me finally getting an army book. Like every army except DE and BA has since I last did (in several cases, two books).

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Chuck is off the chain all of a sudden!!!

But he's right though. We don't get a "Marine release" every so often - each army is separate. Should you tell Chaos players to be happy because a new Space Marine Codex came out, and that because they are both technically 'Marines' that they should just lump it? Or Necron players? I mean, T4/Sv3+ is basically what people are using to define Marine these days, so the fact that a Marine Codex just came out and a Space Puppy Codex is on its way means that Necron players should stop being greedy because they just got a Marine Codex.

No. That makes no sense. Neither does yelling at Blood Angel players because a Chaos Codex just came out or Woof players because Marines got an update a year ago.

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Kanluwen wrote:And hell, Black Templars don't need much work to be brought up to the current edition do they?


No, in fact if there was a faq/errata that stated that Black Templars use the new SM codex for everything but their unique units, it would fix them.

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@Kreedos: interestingly, that could also be done for BA, DA, and SW -- bringing things full circle...

   
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Now if you would really complete your research and put in each time the game as a whole has been redone (5 times if my count is right) and then research which armies actually got "complete" coverage each addition I think you'll see d96 is correct and is more on target for what everyone is generally complaining about.

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I'm normally a calm poster. But I am sick of posting information only to have it ignored in lieu of personal interpretations and opinions of whose army is "unique" enough to "deserve" a Codex. It's like arguing with George W. Bush - facts are warped to fit opinions instead of vice versa.

Look, Space Marines get too much attention. Yes, Space Wolves, Blood Angels, Dark Angels, and Black Templars are "Space Marine" armies in terms of D6 statlines and background. Yes, I understand the frustration of Dark Eldar players. And I *sympathize*. Not empathize...sympathize. But while SM do get plenty of extra attention, sub-armies like those listed above are NOT singled out any more than any other army, and they each have their own faithful players. Like me. And plenty of others.

I tried civil. I tried dispassionate and calculating. I tried rude. I am willing to try a-hole.

I'm not trying to "win" an argument. If I was, I'd be civil. I'm getting my book. I'm getting my models. This is about debating the issue based on facts, not opinions. I don't tell DE to play Eldar with a different paint scheme. Why? That would be a douche move. And not fair to their players.

I appreciate the supporting sentiments. I am not trying to prove Space Marines aren't the premiere and most supported army. They are. But Wolves are in need of a new book and new models.

Thanks,
Chuck

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dienekes96 wrote:
whitedragon wrote:
Alpharius wrote:I find this post to most excellent in the dispelling of certain myths:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/60/240694.page#728033

As always, much thanks to dienekes96 for doing the research...


Couldn't really disagree more. The "research" is that wolves and blood angels have languished while other books have been redone. That doesn't dispell the fact that a new marine book of some form has come out, and half the armies are marines. And it makes sense for GW as well, because they are easy to do, just add a new sprue for a couple plastics (a la black templars, dark angels and wolves) and bamm! Whole new army.

Going by the release schedule list...

1998 - Space Marines, Dark Eldar, Blood Angels
1999 - Dark Angles, Chaos Space Marines
2000 - Space Wolves, Tyranids, Eldar
2001 - Tau
2002 - Chaos Space Marines
2003 - Eye of Terror, Demon Hunters, Imperial Guard
2004 - Space Marines
2005 - Black Templars, Tyranids, Tau
2006 -
2007 - Dark Angels, Chaos, Blood Angels (White Dwarf)
2008 - Orks, Demons, Space Marines
2009 - Imperial Guard

So every other year or so, we get space marines of any flavor. And the chaos marines use the same tanks, so its easier for GW to work on them as well. Hell the plastics were sculpted off the multi-part plastic marines and terminators as well. I don't know how you can say anything but the fact that GW pushes marines hard.
Actually the "research" is dead on. It counts ARMY releases, not WD articles, not sub-lists, not internet articles. It counts models and Codexes. Because this game is about models more than it is fluff or rules or pictures or anything else.

You assume that Space Marine players are also Space Wolf players. They are not. No more than Eldar players are Dark Eldar players. My Space Wolves have not gotten new models since 2003. I still require TWO books to play my army, the only army to do so.

So you can put "research" in quotes all you want, but I explained a) my rationale and metrics and b) cited actual data - which is the scientific method after all. And your list is missing data. Which makes it worthless.

I DON'T PLAY SPACE MARINES. Could I rep my list with SM? Sure. So could you, with half an ounce of wit and imagination. So that excuse doesn't wash. Whine about Space Marines. Not the Space Wolves. And not the Blood Angels, who haven't seen new models in 11 years.

And eat **** while you are at it. That goes for anyone who whines about me finally getting an army book. Like every army except DE and BA has since I last did (in several cases, two books).


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