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**Brother SRM**

I just figure most people with really atrocious losing streaks don't brag about it.
I keep a W/L/D record on Bolter and Chainsword, and it's pretty average. I lose as often as I win, and tie every few games.

**chromedog**

I've played 12 games this year.
Lost 7 of them. 3 in a tournament (from 5 games - still came 12th, though, out of 38.)

That's pretty average for me.

**cygnnus**

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:I've always wondered why everyone has more wins than losses too. Wouldn't believe it at all personally.

I think things are distorted by all the 40k players in Lake Wobegon. After all, every player there is above average.

Vale,

JohnS

**dietrich**

My record over the last 10 years is 503-5-10. And I'd like you to meet my wife, Morgan Fairchild.

I don't keep track of my record. I seem to do really well some tournies and then get my head kicked in the next one.

**Jayden63**

My chaos army in 4th ed won a lot (old codex). I don't think it ever lost, but throw in a few ties. I've played only one game in 5th with it (under new codex) and lost. My Tau did average in 4th ed, but have not even come close to a victory in 5th ed. I've not actually played a full game with my orks since 3rd ed. There the KOAT ruled all, but now not so much.

**Warmaster**

So if you set up a table at home and only ever play against yourself, you can rack up quite an impressive win record with one of your armies, of course one of your other armies is going to take it in the pants.

I personally don't track win/loss with armies. But I do have friendly rivalries with some of the players in the region and I keep a win/loss against those individuals.

I don't even look at peoples win loss records it doesn't really matter to me it's what a person says in their posts that determines whether or not I think they have a good grasp of tactics or lis construction.

**Polonius**

I think it's been pretty well covered. There are many reasons:
1) self reporting bias. People with losing records tend not to care, much less post them
2) selective memory. Games thrashing noobs might count, but not the game you left half through while losing because your gf called.
3) big fish/small pond syndrom
4) Only fish in the pond syndrom. Sometimes a store or club has only one guy that's really competitive.
5) Good local meta. I play most MEQs at my store, so my IG are having a field day.

I dont' post my record (well, if I knew what it was) because I fall under factors 3 and 5. Even at mid sized regional events, like BASHcon's primer, I tend to fall into the middle of the pack in a hurry.

**Vladigar**

Grot 6 wrote:
tastytaste wrote:So I do a lot of forum reading, but not very much posting.

I am just curious I often see posts about where people state their record with a particular army with ridiculous rates of victories. I live in area that has a lot of 40k players, but everyone loses a fair amount of games and a lot of us are the same skill level. Being that it is the Internet their is no good way to verify if these people are pulling your leg.

Is their ever a point when you should call out folks on this? Then just taking it for granted they are say 56-1-1 with say their Orks.

Also curious can people tell me their tales of someone that just dominates their local store, because where I am no one dominates like the records I see on the Interweb.

-Cheers

On The Internet, Everyone LIES!!!

If everyone lies then you're lying about eveyone lying which means you're telling the truth but you can't be telling the truth 'cause you're on the Internet and everyone lies on the Internet so you must be lying but you can't be lying... ARG!!!

**Nurglitch**

You should only believe people who are rich enough to own a tropical island.

**djphranq**

It matters not if their records are true or not; all that matters is the following:

1. Crush your enemies.

2. See your enemies driven before you.

3. Hear the lamentations of the women.

**Corum**

djphranq wrote:It matters not if their records are true or not; all that matters is the following:

1. Crush your enemies.

2. See your enemies driven before you.

3. Hear the lamentations of the women.

4. Get elected in California. Ja.

SRSLY though:

I was kinda psyched about 3-4 yrs ago when GW resurrected the idea of keeping W/L of GTs online in their 'Hall of Heroes', That would be something for a clever Blogger to make a site out of - inviting TO s to post tourney results on his site (like NAF site does for Blood Bowl).

**Steelmage99**

I keep track in a completly biased and loopsided way. I have made a single infantry model for each of my armies and mounted the model on a little display base. Everytime I get a win, I add a little trophy to the relevant base.

This is an opportunity for me to paint little parts of my opponents army for a change.
It is completely loopsided because I don't remove an item if I lose.

I don't keep these models out on display and I don't make the results public. It is done simply for myself.

**KingCracker**

Mostly, I dont believe it. Odly enough I was JUST thinking about starting a similar post about the same topic. (WEIRD!)

To add to that. I dont get why everyone seems to expect Orks to pretty much be an auto win. Your opponents(or yourselves?) must just suck at fighting against them. Yes Ive started winning more playing them, but when ever I play my brothers SM, I really have to put the thinking cap on, and plan every little thing. Otherwise Im toast.

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djphranq wrote:It matters not if their records are true or not; all that matters is the following:

1. Crush your enemies.

2. See your enemies driven before you.

3. Hear the lamentations of the women.

HAHAAAA God I love Conan.....I love Arnold..... damn these periods are taking over again........

**OldPeculiar**

Personally I neither believe, nor really care about someones win record. However in the spirit of the thread I'll post mine:

Over the last 9 years it's approximatly W2 - L4 - D0
With the wins being against my wife (who then refused to play again) and against my mother (who accused me of cheating)

**barlio**

Brother SRM wrote:I just figure most people with really atrocious losing streaks don't brag about it.
I keep a W/L/D record on Bolter and Chainsword, and it's pretty average. I lose as often as I win, and tie every few games.

That's why I don't post my Fantasy records.

**MagickalMemories**

Three words:
Rule of three.

Eric

**GoFenris**

Well, I can tell you. When I leave a game and spend a few minutes alone, I do a sort of mental gymnastics thing on the ride home. By the time I get there. BAM! I've won another 40K game and I just can't be beat! Not only does it justify my spending all of this money to the boyfriend but my ego feels good too!

Big fish in a little pond is about the ONLY thing I believe can truthfully skewer a W/L ratio. Posting it is pure, shameless ego often caused by youth. Let others talk of your deeds. If you do it, others will question your character.

If you're really that good, prove it at the next tourny. If you're padding your stats by seeking weak opponents, you're a bully and not worth a game against. Do you want to have fun or be the best? The best seek out the best to compete against and learn from. Being the best in anything isn't about always winning, its about winning at the right time.

**barlio**

GoFenris wrote: Well, I can tell you. When I leave a game and spend a few minutes alone, I do a sort of mental gymnastics thing on the ride home. By the time I get there. BAM! I've won another 40K game and I just can't be beat! Not only does it justify my spending all of this money to the boyfriend but my ego feels good too!

Big fish in a little pond is about the ONLY thing I believe can truthfully skewer a W/L ratio. Posting it is pure, shameless ego often caused by youth. Let others talk of your deeds. If you do it, others will question your character.

If you're really that good, prove it at the next tourny. If you're padding your stats by seeking weak opponents, you're a bully and not worth a game against. Do you want to have fun or be the best? The best seek out the best to compete against and learn from. Being the best in anything isn't about always winning, its about winning at the right time.

Great point Fenris.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Is also like sport.

Lets take my favourite whipping boys, the Engurland Football Team.

Seem to think they should win everything, despite having achieved precisely nothing for 43 long years. Yet in their recent World Cup Qualifying games, they are yet to lose and as skinning the competition....ALIVE!

Looks good on paper. Then you look at the opposition. Teams of quadraspazzed monkies on life support even I could probably beat!*

So you could have a very good record too, if you make a point of avoiding anyone with any realistic chance of duffing up your army!

*May be a slight exaggeration used for effect.

**SsevenN**

Duce wrote:

Its like when you buy a mcdonalds, 2 burgers and a chip... for the sake of argument we'll include a coke.

You can eat it all then boast to your friends '' dude/man/chum/homeboy/Jim (Delete as appropriate) I just ate 2 burgers there from mcdonalds no problem all gone and in my tummy.

Now they will be impressed and say '' no way thats mad etc''

the thing is, those burgers may have been the kids ones, and not two big macs or Qtr pounders... the question is do you want to be honest on which two burgers you ate... or will you play it off and let them believe you achieve more than you did.

That people is the problem in society.

Thunderjaw wrote:My record is pretty good overall. So far in 5th I'm like 24-1-2 (roughly). I think one thing to keep in mind when you see someone with a high victory rate is that it's not necessarily indicative of just their gaming skill but also their opponents...

I know back in 3rd Edition when KOS was going strong I went almost 2 years and only lost one game. My army was good and I knew how to play it, but I was amazed at how my regular opponents just didn't seem to adapt their tactics. They'd literally bring the same stuff and do the same things and then complain the list was unbeatable. It clearly wasn't, but in the local meta game context it certainly seemed to be... So sometimes it's the opponents that fluff the numbers in addition to the player...

I also recall a guy that played in our "junior league" to "help teach the kids"... the reality was that he got tired of getting whooped on and went and bullied the youngsters to boost his ego... Some folks have no shame...

Blackmoor wrote:A few years ago I was winning a whole lot of games, and had a very good record.

I went 3-1 at the Adepticon Gladiator, 2-1 at the Adepticon Championships and then after that I really started winning. I went 4-0-1 at the Las Vegas GT and 5-0 at the Baltimore GT. I won the Los Angeles region of the ‘Ard Boys, as well as winning a lot of local RTTs. You would be surprised at how many people came up to me after I beat them that told me they never lost with that army before.

There is a concept of being a big fish in a little pond. That means that in their local group/game store they are the alpha male and the best player. So there is a good possibility that they are not lying about their records if they never venture out of it. Now if they do venture out of it and try to be a big fish in a big pond, and have a winning record in national events, then I would be more impressed.

Also the original poster said that he did it with orks leads me to think that it may be true.

qft:

That is how I've experienced 40k ever since I've started playing. I'm always in a very 'local' scene if not 'home' gamer, the players are casual gamers, not too many tourney junkies. If I posted my life record, I would look like a liar, or a jerk, or both. But the point is, the people I've spent most of my time playing are just not high quality players w/ unlimited financial commitment to the game, sure many are competitive, but they are not 'A grade'.

This leaves me with that 'Big fish, small pond' feeling, I am quite sure that if I got in some games vs the Dakka elite, I would get stomped.

BUT I would also evolve my playstyle. I would learn and improve, that's why I spend time here, to learn the tactics and stratagies I won't ever see developed in my local meta game.

So yeah, I'm sure many of you guys have had similar experiences as me. Local, small scene, casual players, unpainted half proxy armys in masse, hence the home gaming.

**Duce**

Yay i got quoted. Proof McDonalds is good for society and getting your point across

**Emperors Faithful**

Hmmmm,
Mabye I should count draws as wins. That means I at least survived. And in the 40k book, it says survival is victory.

**chromedog**

Can't speak for anyone else, but my sig IS an accurate representation of my record.

Then again, I don't care if it's a win, a loss or a triple bacon cheeseburger. The playing of the game (a fun game with a good sport) trumps all (IMNSHO).

**artyboy**

I could care less what people's records are... I don't even pay attention to them if they post them up in their sigs.

**Zaephyr**

I keep record mainly for myself. I just wanted to see how my new army, marines, would fare in battle. I do not even run any supercheesy army lists! (at least I think so)

**Bookwrack**

djphranq wrote:It matters not if their records are true or not; all that matters is the following:

1. Crush your enemies.

2. See your enemies driven before you.

3. Hear the lamentations of the women.

No, all that matters is PIE!

**MagickalMemories**

The pie is a lie.
Only Cake is real.

**KingCracker**

Normally pie and cake come in close.... but someone said bacon cheeseburger..... now Im really craving a bacon cheeseburger...... *drools*

**Wrexasaur**

RustyKnight wrote:My record with my Chaos is 999-0-0. I'm worth roughly $567 billion and am actually Heffner's clone. I also own Dakkadakka, Ireland, and Gwar!.

Don't trust anything on the internet. EVAR! Especially if the thread starts with "my naked teacher" or "sex leg".

You my good friend, are a master of the forum, and deserve due respect before I pick the rest of the thread apart.

[quote=O.P.]I know never to trust the internet but should people should be called out on it. Or is better to avoid the flame war when ever possible?

and really...

RustyKnight wrote:My record with my Chaos is 999-0-0. I'm worth roughly $567 billion and am actually Heffner's clone. I also own Dakkadakka, Ireland, and Gwar!.

Don't trust anything on the internet. EVAR! Especially if the thread starts with "my naked teacher" or "sex leg".

Shouldn't your record be 666-0-0 come on now.

**Duce**

KingCracker wrote:Normally pie and cake come in close.... but someone said bacon cheeseburger..... now Im really craving a bacon cheeseburger...... *drools*

That would be my fault. but if your getting one can i have one too, i've got a real lusting for one or two burgers and its only after 9am!