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We dont machine, when if we do a very large and complex model we will look into injected plastic steel molds. I want to do a totally new Orkish Dreadnought or a new Droppod that can hold dreads, these would be total redesigns if we do them.

We want to go into IG soon as well..

I dont see how these would disqualify your models from GW tourneys? You are still using GW models, just with bits added on.

I need to make one thing clear, we arent out to make new models to replace GWs kits, all we are doing is making conversion bits and kits available.

There is nothing in the rules saying you cant use other kit bits to convert GW models.

Can't wait for the conversion bits for the Pred. Be sure to let us know when we can see the finished product or see it in use!

The way to get around the pintle mount thing is to mount it to the turret like a coax weapon.
Using it as a counts as pintle mounted.

I have tried to buy 2 times something from Chapterhouse Studios, I have payed and the items NEVER arrives.

I don´t recomend you to but anything from them, the items looks nice, but they are too expensive and the service it too bad.

Also they do not respond to mail or phone...

Chapterhouse wrote:I dont see how these would disqualify your models from GW tourneys? You are still using GW models, just with bits added on.
[snip]
There is nothing in the rules saying you cant use other kit bits to convert GW models.

There is at the UK GW events. Any other companies bits invalidates the whole model.

Any progress on these bits?

aka_mythos wrote:GW would have you believe otherwise, but it is a common enough practice for model companies to produce kits and for thrid party companies to produce enhancements to those kits without any formal relationship between the companies.

This is true but the situation is slightly different. Many specialist companies make resin turrets for conversions, say new turrets for a Churchill Tank. They often say something like "this is ideally suited for the Tamiya plastic kit", mainly because the size of the turret rings and other components like hatches differ between the scuplts offered by different companies even though the overall model looks largely the same. But ultimately they are making a conversion part on an item that doesn't belong to Tamiya. They are making a resin turret of a real life vehicle and Tamyia do not own the rights to the image of that vehicle. Though they do own the rights to their moulding of it which stops you from recasting their stuff. The other reason that plastic kit companies tolerate this is because they know that someone buying conversion kits will buy several copies of their kits to build them all, it actually encourages their sales because people have more options to build their kits. My dad has several kits that he's bought many times because he has so many different conversions in mind. Many plastic model kits companies are happy with this, but it doesn't mean GW are happy to allow it. We may think they are being silly and denying themselves sales, but it's ultimately their decision. I've no doubt that GW experiance this benefit themselves with Forgeworld products, because of their conversion packs they offer some people have probably bought dozens of Leman Russes.

But the situation with GW is slightly different. They not only make the model Predator but they own the image rights and design on it, it is totally unique to them. Part of IP law allows you to control and protect the use of your IP, if you allow other people to freely use it you risk losing it to the public domain. This might be an exaggerated issue, but the other problem GW might have is that allowing people othside their control to make and sell things specifically designed to fit their models could be seen to negatively effect their product. Firstly they could argue that any product sold specifically to fit their models, which only they own, could be seen to be endorsed by them, which it isn't no matter how many disclaimers Chapterhouse use. Contrary to what some people think, disclaimers do not allow you to do anything you like. In that case they could claim that the quality is not representative of their own work which reflects badly on their brand. Also, they could argue that they aren't happy with the image of their models being altered for commercial reasons. For instance, Chapterhouse could come up with something that is deeply inappropriate in the eyes of GW which doesn't fit their opinion on how their fictional "universe" should be presented. They could argue it dilutes their brand and could reflect poorly on them. And lastly, GW could argue that it takes sales away from them. They may want to release something exactly like the product Chapterhouse are offering, in which case they are treading on their toes by releasing products exactly like GW want to release themselves.

I suppose many plastic kit companies could argue some of the points above to put the squeeze on people producing aftermarket products, but they take the decision to accept the situation and hope that it actually brings in more sales for them in addition to giving out a good image to the community of hobbyists. But it doesn't mean GW have to be cooperative in the same manner, even it it ultimately pisses off their customer base and looses them potential sales. I think depending on how they argue it and how they choose to back up their case it could go either way.

Howard A Treesong wrote:

aka_mythos wrote:GW would have you believe otherwise, but it is a common enough practice for model companies to produce kits and for thrid party companies to produce enhancements to those kits without any formal relationship between the companies.

This is true but the situation is slightly different. Many specialist companies make resin turrets for conversions, say new turrets for a Churchill Tank. They often say something like "this is ideally suited for the Tamiya plastic kit", mainly because the size of the turret rings and other components like hatches differ between the scuplts offered by different companies even though the overall model looks largely the same. But ultimately they are making a conversion part on an item that doesn't belong to Tamiya. They are making a resin turret of a real life vehicle and Tamyia do not own the rights to the image of that vehicle. Though they do own the rights to their moulding of it which stops you from recasting their stuff. The other reason that plastic kit companies tolerate this is because they know that someone buying conversion kits will buy several copies of their kits to build them all, it actually encourages their sales because people have more options to build their kits. My dad has several kits that he's bought many times because he has so many different conversions in mind. Many plastic model kits companies are happy with this, but it doesn't mean GW are happy to allow it. We may think they are being silly and denying themselves sales, but it's ultimately their decision. I've no doubt that GW experiance this benefit themselves with Forgeworld products, because of their conversion packs they offer some people have probably bought dozens of Leman Russes.

But the situation with GW is slightly different. They not only make the model Predator but they own the image rights and design on it, it is totally unique to them. Part of IP law allows you to control and protect the use of your IP, if you allow other people to freely use it you risk losing it to the public domain. This might be an exaggerated issue, but the other problem GW might have is that allowing people othside their control to make and sell things specifically designed to fit their models could be seen to negatively effect their product. Firstly they could argue that any product sold specifically to fit their models, which only they own, could be seen to be endorsed by them, which it isn't no matter how many disclaimers Chapterhouse use. Contrary to what some people think, disclaimers do not allow you to do anything you like. In that case they could claim that the quality is not representative of their own work which reflects badly on their brand. Also, they could argue that they aren't happy with the image of their models being altered for commercial reasons. For instance, Chapterhouse could come up with something that is deeply inappropriate in the eyes of GW which doesn't fit their opinion on how their fictional "universe" should be presented. They could argue it dilutes their brand and could reflect poorly on them. And lastly, GW could argue that it takes sales away from them. They may want to release something exactly like the product Chapterhouse are offering, in which case they are treading on their toes by releasing products exactly like GW want to release themselves.

I suppose many plastic kit companies could argue some of the points above to put the squeeze on people producing aftermarket products, but they take the decision to accept the situation and hope that it actually brings in more sales for them in addition to giving out a good image to the community of hobbyists. But it doesn't mean GW have to be cooperative in the same manner, even it it ultimately pisses off their customer base and looses them potential sales. I think depending on how they argue it and how they choose to back up their case it could go either way.

Im not a legal expert, so I trust the legal opinion of my US IP Attorney, he has a bunch of suggestions we follow, and go from there.

CHS

Freeze wrote:I have tried to buy 2 times something from Chapterhouse Studios, I have payed and the items NEVER arrives.

I don´t recomend you to but anything from them, the items looks nice, but they are too expensive and the service it too bad.

Also they do not respond to mail or phone...

Nothing personal, but you JUST joined today, and have only one post. So, you haven't built up any credibility yet.
Do you have any proof of this?
If you can't prove it, then you're just throwing empty accusations.
Also, if they're too expensive, why did you try to buy twice... and why would you buy a second time, if the first items you bought never arrived?

Chapterhouse has been around quite a while. He's built a reputation of being "above board" and honest. Yours is the first negative thing I've ever heard about him.


Thanks

Eric

Howard A Treesong wrote:
This is true but the situation is slightly different. Many specialist companies make resin turrets for conversions, say new turrets for a Churchill Tank...

...I suppose many plastic kit companies could argue some of the points above to put the squeeze on people producing aftermarket products, but they take the decision to accept the situation and hope that it actually brings in more sales for them in addition to giving out a good image to the community of hobbyists. But it doesn't mean GW have to be cooperative in the same manner, even it it ultimately pisses off their customer base and looses them potential sales. I think depending on how they argue it and how they choose to back up their case it could go either way.

Designing a part to fit on another part isn't protected by law without a patent on the interface. So GW would have to justify why their 7/8" hole and collar for their turrets or why two little flat surfaces on the front for the front plate to rest on are some how so unique they should have exclusive protected control of that feature. Its not happening.

GW could argue that Chapterhouse is infringing on their destinctive aesthetic but they be on shakey ground since a judge or jury would likely see little difference between a Rhino and an M113.

Probably the only thing GW could actually do is insist that references made to their product be removed. If that went to court they'd have to prove some sort of damage is actually occuring because of it. That is the extent of what they could do. Everything else is GW huffing and puffing.

GW has a copyright on everything, even their round bases. Theirs so many more instances of infringing on that design than anything else. Just because you put "copyright" on something doesn't mean the copyright is enforcable.

This statement is copywrite 2009. Any quotation or use will be met with swift ridicule and possible laughter.

Remember that CSM don't get a "storm bolter," just a "Twin-linked Bolter" so you might try modeling so that it could look either way. Just a thought

yeah,
OT but I use metal hurrican bolters for my twinlinked CSM TLbolters looks good. shouldn't be too hard to track some down?

Chapter house would be better off making a mount for sticking bolters...

Panic...

hammerofulric wrote:

Chapterhouse wrote:I dont see how these would disqualify your models from GW tourneys? You are still using GW models, just with bits added on.
[snip]
There is nothing in the rules saying you cant use other kit bits to convert GW models.

There is at the UK GW events. Any other companies bits invalidates the whole model.

Then they suck. We don't stand for that type of nonsense here. Don't go. In fact I'd recommend a firm talking to in the form of burning down their corporate headquarters. I'm not recommending it, I'm just saying real He Man gamers would...

Freeze wrote:I have tried to buy 2 times something from Chapterhouse Studios, I have payed and the items NEVER arrives.

I don´t recomend you to but anything from them, the items looks nice, but they are too expensive and the service it too bad.

Also they do not respond to mail or phone...

Your first and only post, your english somewhat broken. Others with high reputations on this forum have stated their backing for Chapterhouse.
I smell sockpuppet account...

Sigh,

No matter how hard you try to be a good customer service person, sometimes you cant help the other person.

This is a Spain buyer (iffy postal service at least 2 weeks in mail) that had the incorrect address in paypal (which we use to ship). He put a dispute in and paypal cancelled the dispute after 20 days (this morning). He then emailed me at 4 am my time and again at 510am my time, finally saying I was ignoring him and he would post everywhere he could.

He only had one transaction with us for $28.00. He never mailed or phoned us. He jumped the gun many times even after I sent out another item in exchange for the one sent to his wrong address.

All in all I did everything I could for the guy.

At this point, I cant please him so after mailing 2 packages to him I just took a loss and refunded his total amount paid.

I guess he is a troll in the fact hes just posting the same post anywhere he can find mention of us.

So I leave it up to you casual readers to make up your own opinion, I am out 6 items, with 2 seperate shipping attempts and his original payment of 28$.

OK, back to the regular show.

Nick
CHS

On the question of the mount:
A good design would be one where a storm/combi bolter could be mounted with an included attachment piece OR covered by an optional vision slit hatch. That way one main hull armor piece allows both options.

There is at the UK GW events. Any other companies bits invalidates the whole model.

Wow that is friggen harsh. I wonder if it is more due to the fact that they cant take pics due to fear of license issues or if they are just a bunch of dweebs. In the US you can have other bits but the majority of the model has to be GW. I have actuall used some of CHS stuff on my army so guess I wont be going to a GT in GB hehe. Course the GT's over here sucked anyway so we just go to the Indy events.

Then again, I really dont have an issue with you guys saying you did the bits yourself if it keeps you in the running for some good painting prizes.

Nick
CHS

Sure thing, Karol! Grab the pitchforks.

ROFLMAO

Freeze wrote:I have tried to buy 2 times something from Chapterhouse Studios, I have payed and the items NEVER arrives.

I don´t recomend you to but anything from them, the items looks nice, but they are too expensive and the service it too bad.

Also they do not respond to mail or phone...

I recently ordered from Nick and received my products in a timely fashion. Nick communicated throughout the process, answered my questions about his products and responded to each email within 24 hours. Once the items arrived, they were good casts as shown on his site. I would highly recommend their service to anyone.

Yeah age I have ordered from him several times and bought hundreds of things from him. He even fixed my order for me when I screwed up so he is top notch in my book too.

so awesome man, cant wait!

So....where's the Pred armor then? I wanna order something!

Being worked on as we type.. its a big process 3d designing an item and then producing it.

Im excited about the MK1 rhino doors and front that will fit on the MK 2 chassis myself.

I'd like to second (third? fifth?) that the viewport looks awesome . I can't wait to see the real deal!

very cool man.

what 3d program do you use, it looks like autocad

In the 41st millenium why do tanks have viewports. They don't even have them now because they are stupid. Why do they need them in the future when they are even stupider.

probably for the same reason that all the important people don't bother wearing helmets, all bow before the rule of cool

greenskin lynn wrote:probably for the same reason that all the important people don't bother wearing helmets, all bow before the rule of cool

Windshields on tanks isn't cool. It's never been cool. There is no rule of cool here, there is just rule of poorly thought out design.