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You can get casino dice in Laughlin for $1 each

After watching the videos I went online and ordered 100 precision casio dice. Two other friends went in on the deal to get a bulk rate with multiple colors. They are milled to .0001 of an inch and are the same as sold to half the US casinos, sans the serial numbers. I used Kardwell International and talked with a person named Joe to get the best deal The other folks on the phone did not know how to cut a deal but he did. When I help host another tournament I will probably provide dice for all the participants to even the field and give the players a nice take home gift. We'll see.

Lou did such a great job explaining dice he talked himself out of a sale.

yeah,
As I watched both Zocchi videos all my epic dice fails came flooding back through my brain!!!

now I feel I'm in need of better dice...

Zocchi cares about dice = Dice King!
Panic...

after 15 years in this hobby that man has opened my eyes to the reality of dice..

all hail the dice king...although my GF thinks hes a whacko

xceptionzero wrote:
all hail the dice king...although my GF thinks hes a whacko

You mean her radar didn't go off when she met you? That's always my answer when
my wife teases gamer tendencies/obsessions.

"But you married me!"

Her answer is usually, "But you weren't as into this stuff before we were married."

AdeptArtificer wrote:After watching the videos I went online and ordered 100 precision casio dice. Two other friends went in on the deal to get a bulk rate with multiple colors. They are milled to .0001 of an inch and are the same as sold to half the US casinos, sans the serial numbers. I used Kardwell International and talked with a person named Joe to get the best deal The other folks on the phone did not know how to cut a deal but he did. When I help host another tournament I will probably provide dice for all the participants to even the field and give the players a nice take home gift. We'll see.

A fantastic idea! Really, it is interesting that more TOs never seem to think about how dice might be "breaking the rules" just as much as using the red sticks for measuring. I would love to play in tournaments that used precision milled dice for everyone. It's about as fair as it gets- it's why those dice are used when there is real money at stake. Unfortunately, you would also need a proper rolling surface at some tables as textured tables can tear them up.

jmurph wrote:Unfortunately, you would also need a proper rolling surface at some tables as textured tables can tear them up.

I have kicked around the idea with multiple organisers. Typically it is a cost issue to provide dice for the tournament. As far as a surface to roll the dice, well since the event would only last two days at most I am going to let the players roll on the table since it would cost even more money to provide felt covered rolling sections next to the game board. We'll see though.

yeah,
I think he ment textured tables tear up the dice...
unlike cheap dice where the paint is hidden in dents and groves, casino dice have the pips painted onto the surface.

Panic...

actually casino dice should be drilled and then backfilled with the same material (in a different color) to make the pips. What gets damaged on a rough rolling surface is the dice edges, which are easy to scratch and chip since they are so sharp.

yeah,
I stand corrected...
Panic...

I used to know how to "cheat" with a D6 to get significant higher amounts of fives and sixes, the sharped edged dice were easyer to do it with because they didnt role around as much so it was easyer to predict how it would role to the force you put inand it. That and you placed the dice with the one facing upp and the six down if i remembre it correct. And it was easyer to do if they were larger and when it was only one dice, more than two and i dindt work and the second dice dindt get the same amounts as the first put it was still better than the law of avreges said it would be. You just hade to place it in a different way in your hand.

It wasent anything i used but i am ashamed to say it sometimes slipped through when i realy, realy, realy whanted to make that save.

I never liked the law of averages so i worked around it.

And the answer is: no matter what kind of dice, they must spin in the air
or roll through a tumbler or cup.

I just dont like casino dice because they are to big.


What does game science mean by you have to sand it down? Can I just pay them to do that crap I am lazy.


why not just buy these?

http://www.gamestation.net/Koplow-Set-of-5-Loaded-Dice/M/B001BIXOOY.htm


Lol

I think that anyone who has rolled recorded the same single D6 enough times to get a proper sample size has entirely too much free time on their hands.

warpcrafter wrote:http://www.ask.com/bar?q=gamescience&page=1&qsrc=145&ab=0&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gamescience.com%2F

I came across an add for one of their products on FRP games and then went to their web site, where I saw these videos. Either this guy is a total kook or he makes the best dice in the universe.

I met him back in '91 and didn't realize who I was talking to. He's either famous or infamous, depending on whether or not you've stepped on a Gamescience d4 with bare feet. If you need blood for a rowdy game of D&D, just clench one of his d10's in your fist. He used to have a warehouse near here that was a treasure trove of old games. A friend of mine owned a HobbytownUSA franchise and he was able to buy stuff there. He said you could stand in the middle of the warehouse and see games that hadn't been on store shelves for 20 years within arm's reach.

About the d100, he redesigned it and a few other dice when he was called out about how inaccurate his dice could be, that's a guy who takes his job seriously.

Zocchi is a really nice guy. He lives not too far from me and even invited me to game with him because I was just sitting around talking with him about dice and D&D since we were both stuck in the merchant hall at a local con. I need to try and make it out there some time.

I ordered some of the d6's from Game Science and got them over the weekend.
They are pretty ok. The main flaws I found were:

1) The sides were slightly concave. Centered on the numbers, you can see a slight depression in the side, as though the numbers had a great deal of mass and the die is space time. (Worst metaphor... ever?)

2) There are little sprue pocks on them. Not really a big deal (I expected to have to file/smooth them anyway) but something to keep in mind. One must be careful not to alter the edge too much by slipping with a knife etc.

3) The plastic seems a little soft. It isn't soft in the "I can dent it with my finger nail" way, but it seems just a tad softer than say GW plastic, more so than the casino dice I have. This might just be my imagination though, since I am certain the matt, opaque color seems softer than the hard, transparent coat of the casino dice.

Now, I haven't sat around practicing making armor saves yet, but when I do use them in a game I will let you know if they seem out of the normal range.

The concavity is probably from heat expansion during casting. As it cools, the plastic compresses- their is even a compression factor that rates how much it will shrink! Since a greater compression factor indicates greater irregularity, that's not a good sign. OTOH, it may be the mold shape to make sure the dice are not too rounded.

I don't understand why people don't just break out their dice and share with their opponents. Then everyone is rolling the same flawed or unflawed dice.

I try to do this whenever I play, but some opponents don't like it very much. (cranky ppls)

Because touching another mans dice is like touching his balls.

And only good looking girls can touch those.

Plus I want to keep my own dice and not have cheeto encrusted ones instead.

I've got a Gamescience d20 that I've used heavily for just under 20 years (the last 10 it's been submitted to the abuse of a chainmail dice bag) and it's still in better shape than a set of Chessex I've had @5 years in the same bag.
I met Mr Zocchi this past year at Origins and he couldn't have been nicer- a real class act.

Wehrkind wrote:I ordered some of the d6's from Game Science and got them over the weekend.
They are pretty ok. The main flaws I found were:

1) The sides were slightly concave. Centered on the numbers, you can see a slight depression in the side, as though the numbers had a great deal of mass and the die is space time. (Worst metaphor... ever?)

2) There are little sprue pocks on them. Not really a big deal (I expected to have to file/smooth them anyway) but something to keep in mind. One must be careful not to alter the edge too much by slipping with a knife etc.

3) The plastic seems a little soft. It isn't soft in the "I can dent it with my finger nail" way, but it seems just a tad softer than say GW plastic, more so than the casino dice I have. This might just be my imagination though, since I am certain the matt, opaque color seems softer than the hard, transparent coat of the casino dice.

Now, I haven't sat around practicing making armor saves yet, but when I do use them in a game I will let you know if they seem out of the normal range.

Thanks for the review, as I'm considering ordering them. Do you have any pics by chance?

Surely, I can get some. I just finished painting the numbers, which was really easy.

As to sharing dice, no one ever wants to borrow mine, even my friends who come over to play. I mean, it might not help that I use my boxer briefs as my dice bag, but still, it must be some sort of superstitious luck thing.


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Ok, here are some pics I took quickly, then forgot to completely upload...



You can see the part that I shaved and ground off there at the top of the 6. Not too hard, but I think people buying in bulk are going to be in for a long afternoon cleaning them. I got 20 and it wasn't bad though. I also painted in the numbers with Foundation Astronomicon Grey, blobing on a bunch then wiping with a paper towel to remove excess. Later, when I can enlist my wife for wiping duty, I am going to go over that with white.



Here you can kind of see the dimples I was talking about by way of the glare on them from the window. It is a lot easier to see in person. It seems pretty consistent across the sides, consistent with the idea of the dice shrinking as the plastic cools, so I don't think it would cause any real issues in rolling accuracy.



And here is a size scale, from casino die on the left to Chessex size on the right, with the new die in the middle. It is slightly smaller than Milton Bradley/Wal-Mart dice, so they are pretty nice. Bear in mind though that I am now used to throwing multiple giant casino dice at a time, so I might be a little biased

All in all, I am pretty happy. I spent a few minutes tossing the pile of twenty to see how they fall, and generally ~50% were 4+, with no variances in number presentation that were noticable.