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"Tournaments bring out hyper-competitiveness, which I despise"

would be close to what i was thinking but still not the case.

I just hate the jerks that attend , ( which they are jerks tournament or not , nothing to be brought out )

For me 40k is about hanging out with my mates having fun. Whilst rule debates on this forum are fun and intellectually excercising, I dont want to deal with people getting pissy over rules when Im perfectly satisfied with a d6 roll off.

the thing about rules debates, is that the vast majority of rules that are debated upon in games or at tournaments aren't even questionable... its just that one of the two parties hasn't read the rules close enough, and gets mad that the other person insists on playing by the rules.

and on the actual matters that are questionable, usually the tournament judges make it clear which way they are going to go before the tournament.

an example.. I played someone yesterday for the first time. he said he played in 'ardboyz over the summer... he also insisted that guard command squads can join infantry blobs, that run was an automatic 6", and that infiltrators can set up anywhere, within 12" or not.

if people would just read the rules, there wouldn't be that many rules disputes.

'cause I was in Red China.

Why isn't that an option?

Got something against the Red Chinese?

my first few games were in local touraments i went had first... out of three games i lost two and tied the last one , I was happy

Time. It's hard to spend a day/weekend devoted to a tournament that's probably in a different city when you're a university student.... :(

I said Travel expenses such as lodging, petrol, etc. I'm thinking of entering the 40k doubles GT either this Jan or the following one. Will give me time to save. But then again I have a plethora of military shows to attend next year including War & Peace which will require a weeks worth of travelodge and fast food.

The monetary cost (travel, hotel, entry fees, etc)

This hobby is expensive allready. A bit more to pay for a Tourny isnt too bad.

Tournaments bring out hyper-competitiveness, which I despise

Not true in the Tournaments Ive visited (which havent been too many, a GT and a few Local gaming Club tournies). Ive met almost without exception only nice opponents with whom it was fun to play a game.

Too many rules arguments

We have more of those while playing amongst friends

I'm not a good enough player and I'll probably lose a bunch

Who cares if I lose, as long as Ill have fun.

I don't think I'm a good enough painter

Oh Im OK enough, I just dont have/make the time mostly

I don't have a fully painted army

Indeed I dont. My CSM are half-painted. Ive still gotten a ticket for this years GT end of october. This kind of pressure is the only way Ill ever finish painting my army.

crowded halls and/or gamer stench

Meh, indeed the standard for personal hygene is often somewhat different than my own, but just keep your distance and youll be fine.

I don't have any armies that are strong enough to compete

Competition isnt evrything. No, not even at a Tournament.

I'm afraid of cheaters

If someone wants to win so badly hes willing to cheat, he can be my guest. I hope karma will bite him in the behind or he gets nightmares later on in his life

There aren't enough theme and composition restrictions anymore

I dislike comp. Please bring your worst. Makes for more fun.

There are too many similar army builds

Still, where I usually play my games there are like like 8ish different armys. I almost never play/have never played against Necron/Tyranid/Dark Eldar for instance. Tournaments offer a chance to test your mettle against something different for a change.

So in short:

NONE of the reasons listed stop me from attending tournaments.

I answered the poll on the homepage shortcut before I realised it was aimed at peopl who don't attend tournaments. I might have ticked 'monetary,' but obviously I can't do anything that is prohibitively expensive (like buying any GW products recently B) )

My FLGS runs fairly regular one-day mini-tournaments, in addition to the big mid-year event, and I always attend if possible. I'm not hyper-competitive myself, but I always love to bring things like all-footslogging-Orks for the opponent jawdrop when I deploy.

"Go ahead, shoot the grots."

I think I'm a pretty capable painter, but slow and attention deficit under casual circumstances. Regular events help to keep me in line - recently I try to knock off a mob of Orks between each event so I can field the entire army painted by mid next year.

Slow players do gripe me a little, but I'm a pretty patient person, at least as far as obviously displaying my dissatisfaction goes. With relatively new players it's time to help them develop their game and understanding. Experienced players that waste time are usually just stalling.

Basically, no time and laziness.
That means army half-painted (very easy to start, but I never find time to finish...) and an excess of social life.

I should buy a whip for shaking that laziness from myself.

Too competitive and basically I play in the spirit of the game, I play Orks LOL, but I tried it for awhile then dropped out rules lawyers and rules twisters ruined any play for me. competitive win at all cost players. ruin a good game ...

Will probably play one eventually, but the first time I looked at what I had to do composition wise for one of the tournaments (add up points depending on how many of X I had then multiply that by 1.5f94593475894) I said to myself "feth this gak".

i go to at least 2 tourneys a year (adepticon and flatcon), and i do enjoy most of the games.

but you all got to admit, there are a lot of cookie cutter armies out there... a few of the chocolate chips might be in different spots, but the flavor is the same.
and then there are those "Winning is everything" people which need a good slaping.


but for all the tourneys ive played in, ive only ran accross a few jerks i would perfer not to play again but would just so i can mop the table with them...

and only ONE guy that i will ask that i not face if i see him at a tourney... this guy was a serious donkey-cave, he would walk away and talk to friends in the middle of my turn when dice were being rolled, plop down in his chair and start texting people, "forget" rules on his tanks ("Dont push that") that he was reminded of at least 10 times a game (and this was the 3rd game that day)... just a general allround dickweed.


P.S. for more info on Flatcon check out
http://www.flatcon.com/default.shtml

the more people we can get the better.

My army isn't fully painted, it costs too much for travel and i'm not old enough for the large tournaments!

Time is an issue, as a college student who also works part-time. I don't even know where the nearest tourney would be held, let alone how much the travel would cost (lacking a car, train+taxi would jack up the price vs. gas, most likely).

Mostly, I'm too new, which means several things. First, I don't have a single fig painted. Second, I don't even have a coherent list, let alone a winning one. Third, I'm grossly inexperienced. I don't care about losing, so much (which I would, 99% of the time). It's the fact that, as a tournament, people that might normally love to play a game and walk me through my turn, remind me of rules, etc. will be crapping cinderblocks as I waste their turn time looking things up.

Give me a local tourney with a reasonable entry fee AFTER I've had enough games under my belt to PLAY, if not win, and I'll go. If I meet the painting requirements, that is

I don't go to 40k tournaments the same reason why I don't go to video game tournaments; not really my thing and it turns my hobby into somewhat of a hassle since my army isn't fully painted and doesn't have a great way of being transported. Not to mention tourney fees and other expenses like gas.

However I might go to BolsCON next year since its a large scale event with a lot of support and freebies; also got positive reviews. This depends on the date and who I can drag with me to Austin as well.

Cheaters.

Every big tournament turns into Judgehammer. Not that we're allowed to discuss that here.

Scenarios

Lame assed scenarios abound.

I go to tournaments, maybe 3-4 a year which two of them are ard boyz. I only go to local tournaments, Geogia and South Carolina areas. Luckily we run a gameing convention every year in my local area called the Siege of Augusta where they run a FoW Tournament every year with great results. I also run events, this year only one, but normally two a year just for kicks with the people i game against on a regualr basis. If anyone is interested in the Siege Of Augusta check out the schedule a game section for more details.

Aside from time, which is in very short supply now, my issues are with the players and the format.

The vast majority of opponents are fine, decent human beings, but about 5% of them are total tools, and they just sour the whole experience. If I have to take a whole day off from the family, and I end up bumping heads against some WAAC-hole, it's just not worth it.

The other issue that keeps me out is the format shifting to celebrations of pure, non-comp, non-theme baby-killing cheesefests with only token recognition of sports and painting. No thanks.

The other categories of skill / army power aren't a concern for me. I've won enough events, and can field a strong army if that's what's required.

I'm a bit confused about what sorts of people are the intended target of the poll. I've attended some tournaments and stayed home from others, so I may or may not be the intended audience.

Factors which have caused me to miss a tournament before:
1. Registered for the tournament but then couldn't get time off from work.
2. Didn't get my army painted or assembled in time. I'm too old to stay up the night before painting.
3. Registration fees and prizes. I don't know what caused it, but somehow I ended up being brought up not liking gambling, so I occasionally have problems with tournaments which turn entry fees into prizes. But I'm getting over it.

I've complained about the time limits and schedule for a tournament before, but it's never been the deciding factor for whether I attended.

In general I've avoided Tournies due to distance, costs and because I didn't like myself as an ultra competitive gamer in my youth.

When you realise you just screamed in someones face because you are angry they winning, and realised they where doing stuff wrong. So accuse them of cheating even though you know they are a beginner.
Its time to either walk away from the game, or change the way you play.

I picked the later, and in general now some 20yrs later play fluffy 24-7. I am still slightly competitive. I like to win on occasion. But I don't play to win at all costs, I play for fun first and formost. Usually coming up with wacky scenarios and so on.

Ironically this poll has come up just as a good mate who I've gamed a lot with in the villlage since I arrived in 04, has convinced me to go to the 40K doubles next year.
I'm expecting to loose every match mind you, (Best to aim low.)
Although I think the army we are taking could potentially surprise some lists out there and if we walked away with a win I'd be very happy.
I would say a key thing for going is also to actually experience a tournie, been in hobby long enough really.

Guess we will find out in a few months if the list will work.

The Monetary cost for me now would be way to much. Before, $40 gas to go to a tourney a couple of hours away and another $20 spent on food for the day wasn't going to break the bank. Now, it would cost at least $60 to go into the city by train, another $10-15 on the subway/commuter train and as going into the city is somewhat of a "big deal" I'd have to stay overnight which would be in the neighbourhood of another $100. About $200 to play 2 or 3 games at an 8 person tourney is not high on the radar.

That being sad, I'm always asking the GW staffer when the next tourney is...

*writes in*

TIME

My time machine is broken so I can't go forward in time to predict my opponents moves and if I don't know what my opponent will do before hand, I don't want to play.



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I have trouble making time to go to tournaments

I go to small local tournaments frequently when they occur but recently ive stopped when i\a really obnoxious guy played me

I lost horribly....my footsloggin orks were playing on a board covered in lava (whenever you step in lava roll a d6 for each model on a 6 one dies no armoursaves allowed) my models nearly all die before his gunline starts blasting i lose horribly...he was gloating the whole time but i held it in

i then went to the store in the building to buy a kit of the lootas and i got the whole schpiel from the guy in the store trying to sell more stuff whatever..the guy that just beat me turns out was watching me and walks up to the guy that was selling stuff and says,"Ya this guy really needs some tactics help. I TOTALLY CRUSHED HIM! and i only had to use like one squad." at this point im pissed! i drop the box on the ground grab my army and leave the store.

ever since this i never have seen the guy again

I don't go anymore because I get really agitated when 90% of my opponents know the rules worse than Budgerigar. </jk>

I guess it would have to do with me living in the middle of nowhere in the middle of nowhere.

I checked money and other. The other being that they are too early. Let them start at 1pm instead of the usualy 10am. I dont even get to work until 11am. why would I wake up early to play a game?

I remember big Waagh 2 years ago. I went out and got hammered on Beal street until like 4 am or so then had to wake up at 7 to play. It was P-A-I-N

I voted for a bunch'a reasons, but mostly for one that isn't there. I prefer scenario play - telling grand stories across many games in a campaign. Sure, I like playing competitively, but I can do that in the midst of a campaign, rather than setting up an artificial ranking structure.

What else is... oh no... they're hacking my system again....... hel********************



You want to know the reason why the Dakka Casual Gaming Mafia doesn't attend tournaments??? It's because Tournaments fund TERRORISM. That's right. It's a FACT! Every tournament is set up to send funds towards terrorist organisations.

Adepticon? More like Adepti-Islam!
'Ard Boyz? 'Ard Boyz is what the SAS call IRA bombers.
Gladiator Tournaments? Hello??? Gladiator the movie - Russel Crowe was in that movie. Russel Crowe is from New Zealand. New Zealand is a country. Iran is also a country! See the connection??????

Don't go to tournaments - fight tournaments by being a casual gamer!!! It's the only way!

This message brought to you by the Dakka Casual Gamer Mafia - 'Jesus was a Casual Gamer'

it is too far and too muuch money to go because were about six hours from the closest place for them

WYSIWYG, Plain and simple, i don't have the money to equip my models to kick ass

I just find that most tournament players are over-competitive and do everything they can to cut your army down when you play them. Not to mention they always throw a fit when things don't go there way.

Had a guy in the Ard Boyz pick up all his dice and throw them in the garbage because he had a bad roll, another two started arguing over where someone could deep strike and why he wasn't allowed to do it....

We actually had the guy at our LGS that won the tournament last year for Ard Boyz... but he didn't finish in the top 3... I heard there was some argument at those tables as well.

Basically I'm waiting for a RTT where I hear it's more about sportsmanship, army build, painting, and what-not. More about the entire aspect of the game instead of just how good you can build a force and how fast you can move your guys. Plus, the Ard Boyz didn't even require painting. :(