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SQEEEEEK!!! I think I just Sqeeeked in my pants. That packmaster's whip is going to be one of the most-used conversion bits for the next year, I guarantee.

Flachzange wrote:queek, the wheel and the stormvermin are ace. sknich is kinda kool.

not a fan of the clanrats.

Really? I think that's my favorite out of the lot. In the old clan rat box they were so beefy and static. In the new box they look alot more dynamic and rat-like. I like the skinnier build and longer toothy faces on them. This is more how I see the clan rats looking in my head. Also they kept the 20 model count and actually reduced the price of the box. That I think is some sort of miracle in this day and age. GW throwing us a bone? I think it might be skewing my opinion of the box a bit.

Schepp himself wrote:

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Monopose can be a godsend in Fantasy, what with the ranking up! Plus with Skaven in particular, having multiple parts and a variety of poses is a pain in the arse when you have to assemble 60 of the buggers just for your minimums!

AMEN! Monopause is the best thing that can happen to a horde fantasy army. Don't get me wrong! But I like to have the possibility to convert my rats for Mordheim or Blood bowl...
It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.

Triple that amen. No one who actually built a Skaven army would complain about monoposed clanrats.

Dayum!

Those Skaven Plastics are lookin' fine!

Now lets see the actual armybook...

I'll miss the fish-dog skaven, but this is an awesome step forward.

I'm also fine with the 49.50 SilverVermin, as unlike Goldswords, you actually get 20 in a box.

Looking at these models almost makes me wanna start up WFB and take up the Skaven. Deathmaster Sniktch looks awesome, as does Queek.

Between these in November and Tyranids in January, I'm about to have a very frustrated 3 months for not being able to afford any of this stuff.

Are you abso-fething-lutely kidding me?

20 Skaven = AUD$55
20 Stormvermin = AUD$83

What the fething feth?

Goldswords weren't enough? We've got to have Goldvermin as well now?

H.B.M.C. wrote:words from the tank throne

yep, cause gw likes gold

Well Last couple of days I have been thinking of doing a WfB army. Now I have my choices narrow done to three armies for WFB. Skaven, Lizardmen and Orge Kingdoms.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Are you abso-fething-lutely kidding me?

20 Skaven = AUD$55
20 Stormvermin = AUD$83

What the fething feth?

Goldswords weren't enough? We've got to have Goldvermin as well now?

Thats a hell of a mark-up on the british prices. After conversion to a proper ( ) currency thats £30.20 and £45.56 compared to our £20 and £30. Do you always get a 50% mark up over there?

Yes, we do. Australian prices are absurd - beyond any of the normal GW price shenanigangs, we also pay more than everyone else on top of your prices.

Why do you think I pimp places like Maelstrom Games UK so much. With the difference between UK and Oz prices at the moment and the current exchange rates, we're getting damn near 50% off and free shipping.

But honestly - it's 20 plastic miniatures. Why do these plastic minatures cost so significantly more than every other 20-man plastic minature box other than some asinine (and I'd say criminal) excuse about their in-game worth?

H.B.M.C. wrote:Yes, we do. Australian prices are absurd - beyond any of the normal GW price shenanigangs, we also pay more than everyone else on top of your prices.

Why do you think I pimp places like Maelstrom Games UK so much. With the difference between UK and Oz prices at the moment and the current exchange rates, we're getting damn near 50% off and free shipping.

But honestly - it's 20 plastic miniatures. Why do these plastic minatures cost so significantly more than every other 20-man plastic minature box other than some asinine (and I'd say criminal) excuse about their in-game worth?

Because GW can T-T

its an abusive relationship....

But on the plus side , the Skaven preview have stopped me from ordering space woofs , just in time.

Want to guess the battle force contents? ( no storm vermin i bet... )

phillosmaster wrote:

Flachzange wrote:queek, the wheel and the stormvermin are ace. sknich is kinda kool.

not a fan of the clanrats.

Really? I think that's my favorite out of the lot. In the old clan rat box they were so beefy and static. In the new box they look alot more dynamic and rat-like. I like the skinnier build and longer toothy faces on them. This is more how I see the clan rats looking in my head. Also they kept the 20 model count and actually reduced the price of the box. That I think is some sort of miracle in this day and age. GW throwing us a bone? I think it might be skewing my opinion of the box a bit.

Sure thang. Im not saying the suck at all
I just think the others are better.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Yes, we do. Australian prices are absurd - beyond any of the normal GW price shenanigangs, we also pay more than everyone else on top of your prices.

Why do you think I pimp places like Maelstrom Games UK so much. With the difference between UK and Oz prices at the moment and the current exchange rates, we're getting damn near 50% off and free shipping.

But honestly - it's 20 plastic miniatures. Why do these plastic minatures cost so significantly more than every other 20-man plastic minature box other than some asinine (and I'd say criminal) excuse about their in-game worth?

Fantasy Heavy Infantry boxes in the UK are generally £15 for 10 models, so the £30 for 20 models is inline with the rest of their pricing.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Fantasy Heavy Infantry boxes in the UK are generally £15 for 10 models, so the £30 for 20 models is inline with the rest of their pricing.

Are you being wilfully ignorant Grotsnik?

Free Company - 20 models - £17.60
Zombies - 20 models - £17.60
Bret Bowmen - 16 models - £17.60
Bret Men-At-Arms - 16 models - £17.60
Tomb Kings Skelleis - 16 models - £17.60
Saurus - 16 models - £17.60
Night Goblins - 20 models - £17.60
Stormvermin - 20 models - £29.35

It's not 'in line'. If it's 'in line', why aren't the Clan rats also $29.35?

Do we know for sure that the storm vermin are Plastic?

EDIT:

Checked the other thread...i'm dumb

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Fantasy Heavy Infantry boxes in the UK are generally £15 for 10 models, so the £30 for 20 models is inline with the rest of their pricing.

Are you being wilfully ignorant Grotsnik?

Free Company - 20 models - £17.60
Zombies - 20 models - £17.60
Bret Bowmen - 16 models - £17.60
Bret Men-At-Arms - 16 models - £17.60
Tomb Kings Skelleis - 16 models - £17.60
Saurus - 16 models - £17.60
Night Goblins - 20 models - £17.60
Stormvermin - 20 models - £29.35

It's not 'in line'. If it's 'in line', why aren't the Clan rats also $29.35?

Are you willfully ignoring the "Heavy Infantry" part H.B.M.C.?

new plastic stormvermin: it's business. Anything that people buy less of is more expensive.
And you can't compare it to Bowmen or Militia, the Greatswords (which are $40 for ten) are really the best analog for tabletop function (and these sculpts are awesome).
Also, you can bet that if they did the Stormvermin at 10 models/box they wouldn't have been $25.
The Old, Inferior, Metal box set of 10 was $50 as well. win-win-win.
I also don't buy the "metal is more expensive, so it's ok if the sticker price is higher". The reason I don't own any stormvermin right now is BECAUSE they were metal. I hate dealing with metal. I don't like repairing paint chips, I don't like using superlue. The fact that they're plastic, better-detailed, easy-to-convert, come with tons of EXTRA BITZ that I can use on other models from any range does nothing but increase the VALUE that I'm getting.

People complainign about prices for kits like this... if you wouldn't buy it even if it's $20, don't complain if it's $50.
That may not apply here, but it's like going to gametrailers and seeing FPS fanboys say they're not going to buy an RPG because it looks stupid.


I play Skaven and will be happily paying half a hundred bucks for at least one box of these incredible plastic models.

I'm disappointed that I can't choose what heads the clanrats have. I like the helmeted ones.

Man, how can I use these in 40k!!!

Cough Hrud cough...

Oh dear god.
The sexiness of the characters.

I have some DE models, but the these models....nice. Might have to 'actually' get into WFB...

Did anyone noticed that the stormvermin went back to the older design? How about that. Were the current ones too heavily armored? I think both had their pros...

Greets
Schepp himself

TheGrin wrote:Cough Hrud cough...

Uhm..obviously right? But what army would they counts as is more what I'm getting at.

whitedragon wrote:

TheGrin wrote:Cough Hrud cough...

Uhm..obviously right? But what army would they counts as is more what I'm getting at.

Actually, DE rules work pretty well for them. You could also find a way to make Orks work for them, too - or an All-Kroot list.

aww man... now you've got me thinking about Rat Ogryn.
got there thinking of Skaven Penal Legion.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Fantasy Heavy Infantry boxes in the UK are generally £15 for 10 models, so the £30 for 20 models is inline with the rest of their pricing.

Are you being wilfully ignorant Grotsnik?

Free Company - 20 models - £17.60
Zombies - 20 models - £17.60
Bret Bowmen - 16 models - £17.60
Bret Men-At-Arms - 16 models - £17.60
Tomb Kings Skelleis - 16 models - £17.60
Saurus - 16 models - £17.60
Night Goblins - 20 models - £17.60
Stormvermin - 20 models - £29.35

It's not 'in line'. If it's 'in line', why aren't the Clan rats also $29.35?

As the Busty Bint pointed out, you have listed only basic Infantry. Now for a proper comparisson....

1. Graveguard. 10 models for £16.65
2. Greatswords. 10 models for £24.45
3. Flagellants (though not Heavy, they are limited list wise in a similar way) £13.20 for 10 models.
4. Templeguard. 10 models for £16.65
5. Black Orcs. You guessed it! 10 models for £16.65

So, compared to comparable units in other armies which have had a redo since 7th Ed came out.....

Clanrats are also less than redone infantry. Most new plastic infantry retails around £12 (less the VAT saving which ends in December) for 10 models, so £20 for 10 is once again, a healthy £4 less.....

H.B.M.C. wrote:
But honestly - it's 20 plastic miniatures. Why do these plastic minatures cost so significantly more than every other 20-man plastic minature box other than some asinine (and I'd say criminal) excuse about their in-game worth?

Said it on the other thread, and at the risk of earning the ire of the powers that be on Dakka, I don't understand why people have a problem understanding this one...

Making the mold for plastic models is a fixed capital investment. Yes the plastic to make the models, the packaging, the time investment in designing the figures, etc, probably costs the same for elites or regular troops, but you can expect much greater sales for regular troops and therefore can spread out the capital investment over a broader base leading to lower prices on a per unit basis for regular troops. Elites, by their nature, do not sell as heavily as troops. Therefore to recoup the capital investment you need to charge a higher cost per model.

One could, perhaps, argue that the delta between the two is artificially wide, but to say there's no justification strikes me as being off the mark.

Vale,

JohnS

I like the characters and the DOOMWHEEL looks awesome. I don't care too much for the new clan rats and stormvermin.

cygnnus wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:
But honestly - it's 20 plastic miniatures. Why do these plastic minatures cost so significantly more than every other 20-man plastic minature box other than some asinine (and I'd say criminal) excuse about their in-game worth?

Said it on the other thread, and at the risk of earning the ire of the powers that be on Dakka, I don't understand why people have a problem understanding this one...

Making the mold for plastic models is a fixed capital investment. Yes the plastic to make the models, the packaging, the time investment in designing the figures, etc, probably costs the same for elites or regular troops, but you can expect much greater sales for regular troops and therefore can spread out the capital investment over a broader base leading to lower prices on a per unit basis for regular troops. Elites, by their nature, do not sell as heavily as troops. Therefore to recoup the capital investment you need to charge a higher cost per model.

One could, perhaps, argue that the delta between the two is artificially wide, but to say there's no justification strikes me as being off the mark.

Vale,

JohnS

I agree with him, somewhat.

It's cheaper than the old box. $91 for 20, or 50-ish?