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Lord-Loss wrote:Of course its wrong to make fun of disabled people, the dicks who were mocking him should be beaten to death/near death.
You are free because rough men stand ready to do violence to those who would take away your freedom.
I live in a house cause rough men build houses, cause its there job.
I'm betting good money you haven't seen your 16th summer have you child?
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Dont joke about that if my generation if the future your screwed.
we will just sit around all day and text insted of talking. im glad i didnt get into the whole cell phone craze.
-to many points to bother to count.
mattyrm wrote:i like the idea of a woman with a lobster claw for a hand touching my nuts. :-)
squilverine wrote:
Many people who read about these incidents say that those involved should be sent to the front lines themselves. As a former soldier myself, I would say that we wouldn't want them there.
You're misinterpreting-we mean in front of the front line. I heard they also make excellent windshield protectors...
I wasn't specificaly refering to your earlier coment, but this has raised an interesting point, what other uses could we find for chavs?
Aside from mine field clearance, keeping Burberry in business and doing their level best to thwart the pro life campaigners arguments that all life is precious. What other uses can you guys come up with?
Why do you think we're doing so much to END THE WORLD !
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
Meh, I'd like to claim american superiority in this matter, but we have just as many asshats insulting dead / wounded soldiers.
Remember that crazy religious group who was allowed to protest outside a marine's funeral last year? They had signs that said things like "God killed your son" and "thank god for dead soldiers"... and it wasn't just children, it was a whole freaking church there to insult the dead.
And it was ruled it was protected by the 1st ammendment. They should have all died.
squilverine wrote:
Many people who read about these incidents say that those involved should be sent to the front lines themselves. As a former soldier myself, I would say that we wouldn't want them there.
You're misinterpreting-we mean in front of the front line. I heard they also make excellent windshield protectors...
I wasn't specificaly refering to your earlier coment, but this has raised an interesting point, what other uses could we find for chavs?
Aside from mine field clearance, keeping Burberry in business and doing their level best to thwart the pro life campaigners arguments that all life is precious. What other uses can you guys come up with?
Road intersection crash barriers?
Live action wild animal entertainment? If its good enough for the ancient Romans, its good enough for me.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Frazzled wrote:
Live action wild animal entertainment? .
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
garret wrote:Is this happened in america those kids would be either
A:beaten to a pulp by the guy with no legs.
B run from the guy bet get exusted after 10 feet.
I'm sorry, what? Are you implying that:
a) He could somehow manifest powers of levitation so he could attack them?
b) Anyone but someone who's morbidly obese would get exhausted after running ten feet, and even then why would they be running? I'd personally find it very hard to attack people if I had no legs.
People are like dice, a certain Frenchman said that. You throw yourself in the direction of your own choosing. People are free because they can do that. Everyone's circumstances are different, but no matter how small the choice, at the very least, you can throw yourself. It's not chance or fate. It's the choice you made.
squilverine wrote:Dildo endurance testers for sizes 12'' and above?
You know, as odd as it may sound, I'd support this motion. Not inhumane, but hardly just a slap on the wrist.
People are like dice, a certain Frenchman said that. You throw yourself in the direction of your own choosing. People are free because they can do that. Everyone's circumstances are different, but no matter how small the choice, at the very least, you can throw yourself. It's not chance or fate. It's the choice you made.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
A new TV show: Chav Wars... two estates compete for a single prize! (a pimped out old banger with wheels that are too big for the arches, massive speakers that cause the crappy plastic body kit to rattle and a huge exhaust that actually bleeds power from the engine).
What they don't know is the prize is full of C4, so as soon as they try to steal it, they become a fine rain of red mist.
I don't really think we need to treat them like heroes though. They chose their career how they want it and why are they more heroic than another man like a bin-man or street sweeper?
Stupidest post ever. Even if you discount the fact that the Armed Forces are protecting our nation's interests and security - how many times a day do bin-men pull their mates from the wreckage of a burning land-rover whilst under enemy fire? How many street-sweepers sacrifice their lives so that other street-sweepers may live?
SilverMK2 wrote:A new TV show: Chav Wars... two estates compete for a single prize! (a pimped out old banger with wheels that are too big for the arches, massive speakers that cause the crappy plastic body kit to rattle and a huge exhaust that actually bleeds power from the engine).
What they don't know is the prize is full of C4, so as soon as they try to steal it, they become a fine rain of red mist.
The government is the root cause. Since 1997 the Uk has been subjected to wave after wave of Political Correctness, the purpose of which appears to be 'equality' but in fact has been little more than divide and rule. The basic principle is that the majority is wrong, must accept guilt and must be silent - thus limiting opposition in thought and helping eliminate vocalised opposition by accusation of bigotry.
People were taught 'tolerance and respect' which means enforcing a push back on the political majority while empowering others. Again this sounds laudable at face value, but equal opportunitiers and equal rights are rarely equal, you just get a new imbalance.
In steps chav. Chav occurs because of the dogmas enforced on the thinking of the nature, accept and respect. As in when spoken to the majority: 'if you dont bend over backwards we will come after you with the force of law'. However chidlren being politically unempowered are given extra leeway to compensate.
However political correctnes and actual correctness are poles apart. Chidlren are not stupid, they need discipline and discipline is cemented by the generational ties. Now this can break down in individual cases, but by and large it works. However the psychology of a child is based on the immediate, children cannot truly form a social conscience before the age of about ten because the brain is not wired that way, but develop basic instinctual reason much younger. Thus they are in effect taught that they can get away with things they ought not get away with, this temptation rises year on year. As children grow older they cement their new morality i.e little to none.
For example, you try and ward off a child thug and you face the weight of the law, child thugs know this, and know the police will not do anything to them, thus youth crime and societal disrespect grows. Peerr pressure and experience of levity encourage more and more children to misbehave. It has got to the point what class and cultural divides are no longer a factor. I see public school chavs nearly as often as those from sink estates, they might be a little better presented, but the ethic is horribly similar. As the saying goes 'bad company corrupts good character' thus the nations character becomes in a very real way diseased.
Meanwhile social workers spoon fed left wing dogmas themselves, search for external causes to blame (anything but themselves) try to give pointless platitudes to louts a favourite being "what would you want". The ideology of social work is based on the idea of empowerment, thus asking the 'young person', as they are called, to vocalise their desires and thus gain equality and self respect. What this in fact does is tell a youth in fact that 'do as you please, you have rights' and wonder afterwards why the rights of others are held in so little regard.
I have seen this and witnessed this pattern for years, its getting worse and worse. To be fair my experiences of this form of political correctness predate 1997, but was inherent in the political thinking of local authorities prior to this. Often this is reinfoced by the claim that non acceptance of the dogmas is a sign of bigotry and ignorance, thus preventing old school trained social workers and council employees from challenging the concepts for fear of their jobs and public esteem. The root cause is the new dogma that infects our society, partly preceding but greatly extended by New Labour who used the concept to cement power reorganise the civil service with party politicised management and stifle critque nationwide. It worked and kept New Labour popular and in firm control until the aftermath of othe Iraq invasion.
As a case in point I remember my old youth worker training, and how I was told that an ethnic minority cannot be rascist, a female cannot be sexist, and by extension a wrong between a youth and an adult is ultimately the adults 'fault' as neither of the three are 'empowered'. They even had confessions especially for white male heterosexuals when our biases were challenged I sat through this training, should I say indoctrination in a state of near shock, my thoughts went to the film Killing Fields and the idea that it is best tio keep your own council and say 'taxi taxi' when asked what you think.
Note how youth work was considered connected to race, gender bias and sexuality issues too, the idea was clear: you beleived what we taught you or you were a screaming bigot, one way or another. Bigots are of course not welcome in the Youth or Social services.
While the above is not a race issue I must stress that the councils of the time werre making it a race issue, because in thier eyes a bigot was a bigot and to disagree with one policy makes you suspect regarding them all. This is no exagerration, the dogmas are entrenched and independent thought is removed by fear and accusation. Noone wants to be thought of as an evil bigot, and that is what you appear to be if you practice youth work or social work other than in the new way. Independent thought is not encouraged.
My training was long ago, and much has changed since, for the worse. I regularly see rights abused but those in with the dogma are correct and above the law in some respects. Its only cases like Baby P that bring out the rot to the fore. If you read between the lines on that and similar cases you will see a pattern, if you say the right things to social services, in regards to the dogma especially, they will say nothing and do nothing without very firm evidence to the contrary.
As it happens children have good bs detectors, and can see through a wall of dogma that an adult might not see or choose not to see. Children can see the words as empty and thus the police (who have similar bullshits to swallow) and social services are in many respects without power. Yes they can detain, a badge of honour, hand out an ASBO, a real badge of honour, or talk you into seeing reason. The trouble is the dogmas are not reason, they are toothless and kids know it. So all the councilling which is supposed to repair and heal the differences are for naught. The only exeptions are from the various religions groups and communities who do not embrace the dogmas, the trouble is many have dogmas fo their own, and the government would like nothing better for them to go away, Christian groups especially. Though some minority religons and churches for that matter are left alone for good or ill.
The topical point of defacing war monuments and harassing veterans is a case in point. While 'empowerment' has long been a watchword, until recently, and then only for tactical reasons a contempt of the armed forces was a staple of the new moral majority as formed by the governments dogmas.
It is no exagerration to say that some councils banned the Union Flag and the Cross of St George as 'racist', and other including the council of my home town banned the British Legion from holding commemorations because they were 'fascist'. The British Legion is a veterans association, mostly drawing from WW2 and Korea veterans.
While the central government figures still paraded at the Cenotaph on armistice day (November 11th), many councils quietly closed down celebrations elsewhere. Here in Watford the veterans were refused access on Armistice Day several years in the row, and had to commemorate elsewhere on non council property. The excuse was that the commemoration should be a commemoration of 'peace' not war and should also be more ethnically inclusive, and no 'militaristic' flag flying was allowed.
This particular bs prospered until about 2004 when the government, itself warmongering in the middle east were finding recruitment was drying up, and needed to inject a pride in the armed forces within the populace. A double hypocrasy all told, suddenly politicians were happy to be seen with the Britiash legion and their banners flew on armistice day, often these are the same politicians and their views have not change, expediency might change the effect, but the dogmas come from within. After all how can you call a flag 'fascist' and try to ban the flying of it then later decide to stand alongside it because Afghanisatan losses are mounting a recruiting is morale is getting low. The average vote might have forgotten, but the veterans have not, they have to bite their lip more often than not.
I am not suprised that chavs have no respect for veterans, they are taught differently over here. One thing about the US I admire is that you look after your veterans, and are mostly resilient to this form of the PC bollocks despite slow changes alongside the pattern of New Labour that we are seeing develop, often in threads right here.
Excuse me now while I brace for a bleating of 'hearsay' from those who refuse to see the evidence before their faces, we know they are here.
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n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
Orlanth wrote:
I am not suprised that chavs have no rspect for veterans, they are taught differently over here. One thing about the US I admire is that you look after your veterans, and are mostly resilient to this form of the PC bollocks despite slow changes alongside the pattern of New Labour that we are seeing develop, often in threads right here.
We don't respect vets enough over here either Orly.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
I agree with you.
Also just thought you might want to know you start sounding drunk around paragraph four.
I think they should be punished by being sent off to whatever war is happening at that time, but they don't get guns. They get a stick each and a single 50ml can of Tuna. Maybe a couple of paper clips as well as a single rubber band.
They should have been allowed there, them being there doesn't make it celebrating war, but rather celebrating that they managed to achieve peace.
Its a sad thing when you have to hope day after day the the courts will wise up and deal Fairly and Effectively with idoits like those kids. i hate the fact that a person and also a vet was put through such an ordeal no matter the country. You serve your country, loose limbs and bleed for it, and then come home to that. (lil Bastages )
Lord-Loss wrote:Of course its wrong to make fun of disabled people, the dicks who were mocking him should be beaten to death/near death.
You are free because rough men stand ready to do violence to those who would take away your freedom.
I live in a house cause rough men build houses, cause its there job.
I'm betting good money you haven't seen your 16th summer have you child?
No I havn't old man
Reading back over this thread, I release Ive been a bit of a dick.
I apreciate what the army and soldiers who put themselves through danger to pretect this country do. Though it is there job to do this and they get paid for it, it doesnt make it any less heroic, but I was just pointing out that this is there job and It just as sad as the builder who gets hit on the head by a brick and is in a coma.
WARBOSS TZOO wrote:Grab your club, hit her over the head, and drag her back to your cave. The classics are classic for a reason.
Blake wrote:I don't really think we need to treat them like heroes though. They chose their career how they want it and why are they more heroic than another man like a bin-man or street sweeper?
Of course, it is ridiculous to insult them unless they're doing something a-moral in going to war (which I am too uninformed to judge myself)
Your efforts at trolling were not very successful.
I'm really sorry if I came across that way...... . I'm really not like that. I was being way too extreme. I'm not at all patriotic - but I guess I was over-rebelling, I've got a lot of emotional stuff on my plate at the moment...
Military members, like cops and just about any large group of people, have no shortage of haters especially with the younger generation.
Even as a teen I remember getting hugely negative responses from mostly women about my ambitions and lifelong goals to serve the USA and it wasn't about sacrificing your life either; people have the misconception that people in the military are brainwashed idiots that couldn't "handle" the "real world" aka being a civilian.
Does it suck? Yes, especially for someone like the Veteran mentioned in the OP. But unfortunately not much can be done about it...hell in the USA its perfectly legal to be a KKK activist for crying out loud.
Orlanth wrote:As it happens children have good bs detectors, and can see through a wall of dogma that an adult might not see or choose not to see. Children can see the words as empty and thus the police (who have similar bullshits to swallow) and social services are in many respects without power. Yes they can detain, a badge of honour, hand out an ASBO, a real badge of honour, or talk you into seeing reason. The trouble is the dogmas are not reason, they are toothless and kids know it. So all the councilling which is supposed to repair and heal the differences are for naught.
Anuvver fing - when they do sumfing, they try to make it look like somfink else to confuse everybody. When one of them wants to lord it over the uvvers, 'e says "I'm very speshul so'z you gotta worship me", or "I know summink wot you lot don't know, so yer better lissen good". Da funny fing is, arf of 'em believe it and da over arf don't, so 'e 'as to hit 'em all anyway or run fer it.
Admittedly I got a tad lost in the middle of your post Orlanth, it did get a tad waffly.
I can’t speak on the subject of social work, you clearly are experience in this field and so I bow to your superior knowledge in this matter and if you genuinely where taught that:
As a case in point I remember my old youth worker training, and how I was told that an ethnic minority cannot be rascist, a female cannot be sexist, and by extension a wrong between a youth and an adult is ultimately the adults 'fault' as neither of the three are 'empowered'.
Then I concur that this is the worst form of BS. Whilst they may not have the same level of power as a white male adult to suggest that absolves them of responsibility is downright stupid.
But these sorts of dirty bastards have been around since long before Labour got into power. Back in the 80’s for example football grounds where a no go area for huge numbers of genuine fans such was the appalling state of hooliganism. Today this sort of thing is very rare. 30 years ago racist abuse was commonplace now Ian Wright and Amir Khan are considered national heroes. That the event the OP described was considered unique enough to be considered national news indicate, to me at least, that events such as this are still thankfully very rare and that 99.9% of the country are decent enough to still be shocked by them. Overall I think society is a very decent place and isolated extreme examples, such as this, are simply anecdotal evidence and should be treated as such.
PC, at least in my experience, is a bit of a bogeyman usually brought up by frothing at the mouth right wing hacks to convince people that there is an international conspiracy plotting the downfall of white Christians. References to the mythical ‘PC brigade’ are common and yet 99% of the time the stories regarding this Imaginary malcontents are a clever combination of Hyperbole, misinformation and downright lies. It’s now October, I predict at least 4-5 front page tabloid stories before Christmas complaining than someone, somewhere is planning to ban Christmas. Then of course we will all go on to celebrate Christmas as normal.
PC’s aims are laudable and whilst it may not get it right all the time that’s not to say the principles are not sound. Oh, and above all don’t believe everything your told by Richard Littlejohn.
"And if we've learnt anything over the past 1000 mile retreat it's that Russian agriculture is in dire need of mechanisation!"
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
I used to worry constantly about my brother when he was serving in Afganistan. I'd be well pissed if someone even made a joke about that sort of thing.
We don't have as serious a problem with these kids over here, probably because the population is lower and more rural. I teach in an inner city school, and the chav (we call them skangers) population is fairly high, but you can turn them around. It's hard work though. I think Ireland is less uber PC than the UK though.
I do think people should be more willing to give a good kicking to kids like that.
But I'll also point out that the ones I REALLY want to pound are the parents.
I pretty much consider Political Correctness negative by definition.
Anuvver fing - when they do sumfing, they try to make it look like somfink else to confuse everybody. When one of them wants to lord it over the uvvers, 'e says "I'm very speshul so'z you gotta worship me", or "I know summink wot you lot don't know, so yer better lissen good". Da funny fing is, arf of 'em believe it and da over arf don't, so 'e 'as to hit 'em all anyway or run fer it.
-to many points to bother to count.
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