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There are a lot of good ideas for converting Soul Grinders out there. A looted one doesn't make sense fluff-wise, so consider a looted Defiler instead.

For a good Soul Grinder conversion, search 'penis cannon' in this forum.

Darth Bob wrote:The only way I could see it working from a fluff perspective is if you had some Ork Wyrdboy who had learn to harness warp energy and use it by Inquisitorial means, which, come to think of it, is actually a really cool idea. You should do that . I can just see an Wyrdboy dressed up in an Orkified Inquisitor raiment .

'Mon the Orkwizishin!

=O=

corpsesarefun wrote:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Weirdboyz use the warp, the warp is where all psychic energy comes from. Gork n Mork dwell in the warp.

A looted soul grinder sounds interesting. Frankly do whatever you like and enjoy doing it. In painting and modelling we are far more concerned with the technical and artistic ability you utilise in your project than any necessary appealing to somewhat overly strict (and often it would appear, quite wrong) adherence to 'fluff'.

Weirdboys harness the gesalt field produced by orks (also known as WAAAGH!) and act as living conducters and batteries for the energy.

While they DO use emotional energy it isn't the warp as such.

Your fluff-fu lacks.

The warp is where all psychic energy resides. Orks generate a warp shadow, ork psychic energy is harnessed from the warp, when greater numbers of them congregate they react off one another to produce a cumulative effect (the gestalt you refer to). Orks massing to produce an increased power is precisely the same thing as tyranid shadow in the warp, except the shadow is green and likes squig-beer and beating things up.

Refer to Waaagh the Orks, Freebooterz and Ere We Go for a full discourse on the relationship of orks to the warp and the terrible fate that befalls any daemon stupid enough to try and possess a Warp'ead. Further consider that the warp and warp psykers were the weapon of choice of the old ones in taking on the necrontyr, the Orks were designed as a doomsday weapon against the necrons and as such are highly warp attuned whilst being largely resistant to chaos.

I've been reading this fanciful bs for a great many years, most especially about orks. I think you are blurring the warp with chaos.

Pssshh... Get into an arguement with a big mek about not being able to loot a soul grinder and youll lose. Orks never loose according too fluff too rite? They are orks. They do what they please. I say loot it, it would be an awsome conversion and funny as hell to play against!

Cant see anything wrong except in game terms. A soul grinder doent have a base wheras a dread does so things will have to be measured to/from the hull as opposed to the base. Also its a lot bigger than a normal dread so assualting may be a bit screwed up.

I dont think tournies would aloow it but if you can get around theese problems or do not intend to use it for gaming, it's fine and a good idea. I like the idea of a grot sitting on its head holding a piece of string which is running through the SG's mouth like reins on a horse.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

Your fluff-fu lacks.

The warp is where all psychic energy resides. Orks generate a warp shadow, ork psychic energy is harnessed from the warp, when greater numbers of them congregate they react off one another to produce a cumulative effect (the gestalt you refer to). Orks massing to produce an increased power is precisely the same thing as tyranid shadow in the warp, except the shadow is green and likes squig-beer and beating things up.

Refer to Waaagh the Orks, Freebooterz and Ere We Go for a full discourse on the relationship of orks to the warp and the terrible fate that befalls any daemon stupid enough to try and possess a Warp'ead. Further consider that the warp and warp psykers were the weapon of choice of the old ones in taking on the necrontyr, the Orks were designed as a doomsday weapon against the necrons and as such are highly warp attuned whilst being largely resistant to chaos.

I've been reading this fanciful bs for a great many years, most especially about orks. I think you are blurring the warp with chaos.

We shall have to agree to disagree, i think of orks as generating a psycho-electromagnetic feild which is increased by heighten emotion and this is what the weirdboys use (this is also the caues of the green "lightning" assosiated with weirdboy powerers) whereas you seem to think weirdboys use the orky section of the warp.

Both have merits and weaknesses but it is evident neither of us will budge.
Thus agree to disagree

I love the idea. Remember, Ork stuff only works because they BELIEVE it will work. If a wierdboy said to himself "Im gunna catch me self a deemun and make it kill stuff" then he would be able to do it.

Anyway, make it now and make it really orky.

you could make it to a mega sized warlord (scroll down):
http://www.the-waaagh.com/forums/?showtopic=41923

i have plans to make this one. unfortunately, i first need money. then i get money, i make a thread about how im gonna make it, and show my finished warlord, Gutrippa (to all of you who had followed and gave tips on how to make this git): http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/257344.page


if you just saw the double phosts, then srry.

Cheese Elemental wrote:
For a good Soul Grinder conversion, search 'penis cannon' in this forum.

Ihm Gonnaz Catch Me a Deeman and Make it killz Stuff!

What Does the Looted Soul Grinder Count as in the Codex?

Maybe a Deff dread, Or "Kustom" battlewagon?

Could be the demon part is dead (seems like Nurgle would work, big bloated diseased corpse part) but the machinery is still fine (could have some serious violent fun modelling the deathwound).

A brilliant/bats***insane/bored Mekboy decides to get it working again! Throw an engine in there, some cables to tug the legs (tension, tension, release, tension tension, release), then strap on some dakka and it'd be dead killy!

I would like to see one of those!

You know what, if the op don't do one i sure as hell will as soon as my defiler is done, using the plan from my post on page 1, then i'll enter it in golden daemon.... and Jevis will come and stab me in my sleep .

I think your idea is great, so get modeling I think the only thing all can agree on is that we'd all love to see your lotted grinder whether it makes sense or not. Also, I have no problem with fluff arguments but calling people jackasses is completely unneeded.

Looted Soul Grinda... done. Counts as a looted wagon.

That is really cool. I might have to steal that idea one day.

Ofc orks can loot daemons: If you can see it you can loot it, if you cant see it shoot it? But if you want to i have seen amazing warboss made from soulgrinder torso! So you could like make looted defiler and very big warboss from the soulgrinder parts!

corpsesarefun wrote:We shall have to agree to disagree, i think of orks as generating a psycho-electromagnetic feild which is increased by heighten emotion and this is what the weirdboys use (this is also the caues of the green "lightning" assosiated with weirdboy powerers) whereas you seem to think weirdboys use the orky section of the warp.

Both have merits and weaknesses but it is evident neither of us will budge.
Thus agree to disagree

Of course you can disagree with MGS. As long as you don't mind being wrong!!!

Seriously, read back through the earliest Orky books. (If you can afford them from EBay. Fortunately, I own them already).

I think this is perfectly reasonable idea. If the imperium can create daemonhost why can't orks. Strap a few daemonic binding icons and chains to it and then it can't go anywhere. As for controlling it daemons may be made of emotion but it has been shown in a lot of books that they still have (kind of) personalities so could be bargained with. You could just count it as a battle wagon.

We know Gork and Mork are warp creatures made of ork emotions in the warp so why do people say orks do not use the warp. It just appears orks affect the warp in different way to other creatures. Their emotions are have a shorter range of effect but are much stronger so they can easily effect the real world ( as in making their shootas never run out of ammo) but they need to be in large numbers to be used directly.

Are Gork and Mork really warp creatures? Or are they the first orks and because of their long age they are just huge god-like monstrosities??? =)))))))))))))))

First off, this idea is amazing. I can see this conversion ending two ways:

1. Grot on a stick dangling like some kind of aiming/motivation mechanism. I think I've see this on a looted fex. You're not really killing or looting the dang thing, just pointing it in your direction.

2. Orkuisitor, a weird boy dress like an inquisitor binding demons. In fact this sounds like a whole army you can work off.

Either way, orks greatest weapon is creativity.

If you can point it, you can shoot with it. If you can swing it, you can chop with it. If you can get on top of it, you can loot it.

for the rules you can borrow the Ork Mega Dread rules from forgeworld at: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/acatalog/QUATERMASTERS_STORE_ORKS_21.html

as per the fluff I have been playin Orks since the days of Deoderant grav tanks and zoid models and it had always been my understanding that the Orks were the mighty rules breakers when it came to fluff largely because they could make anything happen. Course there was a fluff change when they removed chaos orks. Though, with that in mind you could pull out a lil taste of old-school and ally your orks with Khorne and have an Orky soul grinder and nobody could tell you it was against the fluff with your copy of the 1989 WH40k Compendium at your side. Personally I dislike the asthetic of Orks somehow converting a soul grinder to the ways of Gork and Mork but hey, go for it. Though loved the idea of them rippin out the dead guts and fillin it with whirley gubbinz to make it their own. Either way GET ON WITH IT and show us some pictures! Otherwise I am jackin the idea and takin over this thread!

Orks can loot anything
The mechanical parts get orkified, an the daemon gets gorkified. Have a weirdboy riding it with guitar wire from his head into the daemon's. They're emotion given form and orks have definitely got enough of it to go around.

Or not, anything would work. Mega dread rules would definitely be cool though.

(._.) wrote:Are Gork and Mork really warp creatures? Or are they the first orks and because of their long age they are just huge god-like monstrosities??? =)))))))))))))))

Gork and Mork are both gods that reside in the warp, and are probably the two most powerful warp entities. They could easily take on Chaos Undivided. They won't, however, as they're more concerned with having a good fight than taking over.

If Gork and Mork kill Chaos theres no one left to fight. They would prefer to regularly fight them (IIRC they particularly like to beat up Khorne) than rule them.