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Space marines walk onto the battlefield in their underwear.

When they're ready to assume the situation to dangerous, they shoot some bolts and then suit up

no, SM's are bound to their armour.

Their ribcage is bound to it's breastplate.

I think.

they can take off their armor.

Captain Solon wrote:Space marines walk onto the battlefield in their underwear.

When they're ready to assume the situation to dangerous, they shoot some bolts and then suit up

no, SM's are bound to their armour.

Their ribcage is bound to it's breastplate.

I think.

Not big on the fluff are you? In almost everything they are explained as being able to take off their armor, even in the Codex you know when they go from Power Armor to Termie Armor, or the images that show them out of the equipment.

The black carapace is inplanted under the dermal layer (ie, above the muscle layer, and underneath the skin. As a result, it will not show to a casual observer (as a marine is already quite 'buff').

In and of itself, it grants no extra protection (that is statistically relevant on a d6 system.
In Inquisitor, powered armour does add to the marine's strength (already, on average, 50-100% higher than a regular human maximum), adding 200 to his base strength (so a marine in armour has between 350 and 400 S).

This part has not been retconned and is still part of marine creation fluff.

In Legion, they show several space marines that operate without their power armour quite effectively. Said marines are attempting to not look like marines, though, and don't get themselves into a 'stand and fight' slugfest but instead use mobility and precision to compensate (it is arguable that for all its benefits, 'sneaking' is not a power armour's strong point). This fits in with the scouts normally doing these stealth roles. So an unarmoured marine would still be dangerous, just a different sort of dangerous.

I guess a space marine without power armor would be kinda like a catachan trooper, i.e., really tough for a human but still not up to pretty much everything and everyone.

Remember they also have four lungs, twelve toes and a prehensile tail.

Morgrim wrote:In Legion, they show several space marines that operate without their power armour quite effectively. Said marines are attempting to not look like marines, though, and don't get themselves into a 'stand and fight' slugfest but instead use mobility and precision to compensate (it is arguable that for all its benefits, 'sneaking' is not a power armour's strong point). This fits in with the scouts normally doing these stealth roles. So an unarmoured marine would still be dangerous, just a different sort of dangerous.

Yeah, this. A bunch of Alpha Legionnaires without power armour massacre about five times their number in screaming Chaos cultists with long bladed poles. It's pretty bad-ass.

Space Marines without power armour are, perhaps, only ten times as amazing as Joe Average, rather than twenty times.

Soup and a roll wrote:Remember they also have four lungs, twelve toes and a prehensile tail.

Marines have three lungs.

I think it's agreed that they're still pretty dangerous.

A marine without his armour would still own in a fight with a human. Plus, they can spit acid.

Ronin-Sage wrote:Anyway, your average SM w/o power armor, but lowlier equipment(flak vest, helmet, autogun) would still be superior to many fielded soldiers.

They'd still be strong enough to break an adult human male over their knee with ease, fast enough to get in position 2.5x-3x quicker, and have the capacity to maintain unmatched levels of situational awareness and dexterous enough to headshot mofos like an arcade shooter on easy mode.

So, a space marine would be considered CNEQ? (Chuck Norris equivalent)

No, just around 0.3 CNEQ

And 0.7 CNEQ

Remember, Blackstone Fortresses are 1.5 CNEQ

Anyway, the way they're created and trained, i think they'd still own pretty much even without their power armor
They could still beat the crap out of some Eldar even orks without armor and bare handed (assuming they can get in range for hand-hand)

Looking at the punishment that Stracken can take from the Imp Codex I'd have to expect more from a Space Marine in terms of strength and toughness... power armour or not!

If Catachan had been a space marine recruiting world, Straken would no doubt have been selected, and would probably be a chapter hero right now. (Makes no sense that Catachan isn't a recruiting world for Astartes but nevermind).

I always thought, fluff wise, there should be more space marines out of armour. After all, any fluff mentioning how long power armour can operate without recharging is measured in hours or at most days. Marines unsupported for months in the field would have to abandon their armour as dead weight, surely?

Da Boss wrote:I always thought, fluff wise, there should be more space marines out of armour. After all, any fluff mentioning how long power armour can operate without recharging is measured in hours or at most days. Marines unsupported for months in the field would have to abandon their armour as dead weight, surely?

I'm sure they would have systems for armor recharge i.e. solar, recharging using wearer movement, c'mon those exist even in 2k

On the other hand, nuclear batteries? they'd definitely allow for a looooooooooooong looooooooooooooog operation

I remember reading that it was not that long, actually.
And space marines often work in environments with little sunlight- hive cities, death worlds, space ships.
Recharging using wearer movement and solar power would be very unlikely to provide the energy needed for movement. It's just another bit of silly fluff, like tyranids and Kroot being able to "absorb" traits by eating "DNA".

Da Boss wrote:I remember reading that it was not that long, actually.
And space marines often work in environments with little sunlight- hive cities, death worlds, space ships.
Recharging using wearer movement and solar power would be very unlikely to provide the energy needed for movement. It's just another bit of silly fluff, like tyranids and Kroot being able to "absorb" traits by eating "DNA".

Hm, think about the power a SM puts behind a blow, don't you think it could recharge by that? how about a 3 day battle with him striking a blow every 10 seconds -> 8640 hits in a day. C'mon, if i'd fight for 3 days in a row and i could tap into that, even i could power at least my laptop

And the solar recharge and wearer movement recharge list was not exhaustive, there were just proposed ways of powering his armor. If you can find any better, i'll totally agree with you

See the thing is, the space marine has to be generating his energy from somewhere, presumably rations. Because of the limitations on efficiency of any engine (look up Carnot Engines, interesting stuff about theoretical maximum efficiencies) mean you're losing power at every step. So I don't see any of those methods working reliably.

I didn't say they wouldn't lose energy, neither did i say they could operate indefinitely or they wouldn't need battle barge/ strike cruiser/ w/e to recharge, i was just saying they could expand the armor operating life by using some of those

oh, and regarding Carnot engines and engine efficiency in general i had to study that for 11th grade physics so i remember a thing or two about those.

Power is no problem to the marines because it comes from the backpack which has subatomic core which can run supposedly indefinitely.
Having space marine bacpack is useful because you can fire more shots with some energy weapons,like lascannon(they can fire 20 shots before losing all power).

Well, i think that settled it down
So, no power armor dropped for dead weight (unless used to fire a lascannon)
Back to how strong SM's are without power armor

Hmmm, I had a flick through my codex, and I can't find the bit I thought I had read about the length of time needed between recharges! So I must have imagined it or something.
Sorry about the thread derailement!

Guardsmen?

aka_tizz wrote:Well, i think that settled it down
So, no power armor dropped for dead weight (unless used to fire a lascannon)
Back to how strong SM's are without power armor

Micro-subatomic core recharges the power after those 20 shots are fired.
Look at this and you'll find that mk.4 armor is durable as mk.7.
http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.php?autocom=ineo&showarticle=43

Hm, nice...didn't know the details.
Thanks for the read

hmm a space marine without PA, kinda reminds me of this guy...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogue_Trooper

Actually now that i think of it a lot of the space marine fluff seems based on rouge trooper. makes sense since they're both british (like all superior genetic's!) :p

aka_tizz wrote:Hm, think about the power a SM puts behind a blow, don't you think it could recharge by that? how about a 3 day battle with him striking a blow every 10 seconds -> 8640 hits in a day. C'mon, if i'd fight for 3 days in a row and i could tap into that, even i could power at least my laptop

Drawing energy from the wearer's movements defeats the purpose of having powered armor in the first place. Doing that adds resistance to the wearer's movements, which would be suicidal in combat. This would only be of any use at all if the wearer had lots of down time and access to food but not energy supplies.

If you want to charge something with body power, then a hand or foot pedal crank is a lot more efficient.

Rogue Trooper is the balls.