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I don't see this movie doing well. I can't figure out why he's a superhero, other than the epically cool " Surrender? What do you think the A stands for? France? " But then again I am not into comics very much.
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Frazzled wrote:I don't see this movie doing well. I can't figure out why he's a superhero, other than the epically cool " Surrender? What do you think the A stands for? France? " But then again I am not into comics very much.
IIRC, that was actually the Ultimate version of Cap, who IMO is more of a jerk than the regular universe Cap and not nearly as inspirational of a figure.
I think there are some elements of the Ultimate version they can bring in, but personally I hope they generally stick with the more inspirational version of the character. I'd like Steve Rogers to represent the America we aspire to be rather than the America we sometimes are or are portrayed to be. At least I think the country could use some of that after everything that's happened in the past decade or so.
(And if you aren't familiar with the whole "Ultimate" thing, it's basically a side series of books Marvel does with reimagined versions of their characters. Rather than reboot their entire universe, they split it off as a side project.)
Regarding the character, yeah, he's barely a superhero. He doesn't have superhuman strength, speed, etc. He's basically a perfect human, physically speaking...maximum human strength, speed, agility, etc. He's also been trained by the top martial artists, military strategists, etc. That's kinda what I alluded to earlier about the character having similar potential to the recent Batman movies. He's more identifiable and inspirational of a character because he can't lift islands and throw them into space.
The tricky part IMO is balancing the right amount of gritty war stuff (because Cap is a soldier, after all) with the inspirational and even a touch of smaltz at times. Although he's a well-grounded character like Batman, Cap is ultimately clothed more in light than in darkness. I worry that Marvel's actually TOO close to the character to be able to boil it down to the right essence and get it right. That's what Nolan did perfectly in his Batman films.
Frazzled wrote:I don't see this movie doing well. I can't figure out why he's a superhero, other than the epically cool " Surrender? What do you think the A stands for? France? " But then again I am not into comics very much.
IIRC, that was actually the Ultimate version of Cap, who IMO is more of a jerk than the regular universe Cap and not nearly as inspirational of a figure.
I can kind of see that but I disagree a bit. With the Ultimate version they tried to play up the fish out of water aspect of a guy from the 1940's suddenly thrust into the modern world. It showed the difficulty of adjusting to such radical tech and (more importantly) cultural shifts. Now this is going off of Ultimates 1&2, as after the original team was replaced for 3 and all the reviews of 3 being very negative.
Since this will almost entirely take place during WWII I don't think this will be an issue.
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Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
Frazzled wrote:I don't see this movie doing well. I can't figure out why he's a superhero, other than the epically cool " Surrender? What do you think the A stands for? France? " But then again I am not into comics very much.
IIRC, that was actually the Ultimate version of Cap, who IMO is more of a jerk than the regular universe Cap and not nearly as inspirational of a figure.
I can kind of see that but I disagree a bit. With the Ultimate version they tried to play up the fish out of water aspect of a guy with 40's values suddenly thrust into the modern world. They show the difficulty of adjusting such radical tech and cultural shifts. Now this is going of Ultimates 1&2, as after the original team was replaced for 3 and all the reviews of 3 being very negative.
Ultimates 3 tries too hard to be something it's not: 616 Universe.
Spoiler:
They mess with the characters too much: Tony's all mopey, Thor suddenly decides to talk and look like he's from Asgard(something he always knew was true but just now decides to change?), Hawkeye's all suicidal and decides to become the new Bullseye, Mutants were suddenly created in a lab and aren't actually a genetic mutation, etc.
Oh, and the Savage Land is suddenly just like Universe 616. They made it less Ultimates and tried to make it the Original Avengers, failing all around.
And half the book, Cap runs around as Black Panther, who's a real character in the story, but you only actually see in Ultimate Origins, WTF? Oh, and BP's a Mutant, to boot(it's how the find out that Weapon X created mutants).
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One of the nice things about Ultimates was that there was an underlying origin for why many of the supers existed, namely the attempts to recreate the super-soldier serum. Ultimate line was a great idea but they slipped to easily back into old habits.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
Tacobake wrote:X-men 3 is the worst movie I have ever seen.
Then you haven't seen nearly enough movies! Go watch Daredevil for starters.....
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Tacobake wrote:X-men 3 is the worst movie I have ever seen.
Then you haven't seen nearly enough movies! Go watch Daredevil for starters.....
I have to Agree with mattyboy,while X-Men 3 was a steaming pile of gak,I don't belive it deserves the "worst comic book film" award,Daredevil,Elektra & Ghost Rider are far worse. ...and then there's always that piece of cinematic garbage "The Phantom",staring Billy Zane.
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I am both selfish and chaotic. I value self-gratification and control; I want to have things my way, preferably now. At best, I'm entertaining and surprising; at worst, I'm hedonistic and violent.
I dont know much about Cpt America but he doesnt strike me as someone that should be played by that fantastic 4 guy.
He looks abit lightly built ( captain america looks like... middle - heavy weight class ) , and that stupid smirk doesnt fit on someone supposedly very dependable.
I rather have Tom Cruise or Keanu instead of human torch.
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I don't see this movie doing well. I can't figure out why he's a superhero, other than the epically cool " Surrender? What do you think the A stands for? France? " But then again I am not into comics very much.
Captain America's a superhero because of the fact that he started out as a panzyboy Art Student and took drugs to become a supersoldier and kick Nazi ass.
FOR AMERICA!
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That's why they're using this particular actor, apparently. Steve Rogers has more of a swimmer's build than a hulking manbeast.
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LunaHound wrote:I dont know much about Cpt America but he doesnt strike me as someone that should be played by that fantastic 4 guy.
He looks abit lightly built ( captain america looks like... middle - heavy weight class ) , and that stupid smirk doesnt fit on someone supposedly very dependable.
I rather have Tom Cruise or Keanu instead of human torch.
Tom Cruise?,Keanu Reeves?...Well why not Will Smith? or Johnny Depp?
I agree that "the Human Torch" is a bad choice to play Cap,but Tom Cruise?
No offense to you Luna,you did state you weren't very familar with Cap,and I wasn't trying to be "jerkish" in my post.....
.....Keanu Reeves?
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SilverMK2 wrote:We need Cap kicking Nazi ass damn it!
And he does need to bulk up more. As fit and well muscled as he is, he is just not the right kind of build for the Cap.
Will be interested to see how it is done, but I don't have a great deal of hope of getting the gritty kill-a-thon that I want over the naff-ness that we will probably get.
Yes!
Set in WWII, with the Red Skull?
This could, and should!, be really good.
The later AVENGERS stuff will be harder to pull off...
Waaagh_Gonads wrote:I must say I had big, big reservations about Iron Man and they did that extremely well.
Even the redone Hulk was a massive lift of the one from 10 odd years ago.
Exactly!
Though I'd have preferred the 'classic' look for the Abomination.
Tacobake wrote:X-men 3 is the worst movie I have ever seen.
Without a doubt, certainly one of the worst of the latest generation of Super Hero movies...
LunaHound wrote:I dont know much about Cpt America but he doesnt strike me as someone that should be played by that fantastic 4 guy.
He looks abit lightly built ( captain america looks like... middle - heavy weight class ) , and that stupid smirk doesnt fit on someone supposedly very dependable.
I rather have Tom Cruise or Keanu instead of human torch.
Tom Cruise?,Keanu Reeves?...Well why not Will Smith? or Johnny Depp?
I agree that "the Human Torch" is a bad choice to play Cap,but Tom Cruise?
Marvel has pretty much made their intentions clear that they're striking all the older stuff from the timeline. From what I understand, they're going to redo Fantastic Four...at some point, with a completely different cast.
LunaHound wrote:I dont know much about Cpt America but he doesnt strike me as someone that should be played by that fantastic 4 guy.
He looks abit lightly built ( captain america looks like... middle - heavy weight class ) , and that stupid smirk doesnt fit on someone supposedly very dependable.
I rather have Tom Cruise or Keanu instead of human torch.
Tom Cruise?,Keanu Reeves?...Well why not Will Smith? or Johnny Depp?
I agree that "the Human Torch" is a bad choice to play Cap,but Tom Cruise?
Because thats how much i dont like human torch been cpt America , if someone not suitable must be used
might as well as pick someone not an eye sore xD ( im so mean! )
Kanluwen wrote:Marvel has pretty much made their intentions clear that they're striking all the older stuff from the timeline. From what I understand, they're going to redo Fantastic Four...at some point, with a completely different cast.
IMO after the 2 movies , its beyond redemption for the franchise. The whole FF4 team is like the geek / nerd brigade -_-
*edit , im sure anyone can pour enough money to save something , but i meant its just not feasible to save that wreck.
Easier to make new movies , like... teen titans or something
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People are like dice, a certain Frenchman said that. You throw yourself in the direction of your own choosing. People are free because they can do that. Everyone's circumstances are different, but no matter how small the choice, at the very least, you can throw yourself. It's not chance or fate. It's the choice you made.
LunaHound wrote:I dont know much about Cpt America but he doesnt strike me as someone that should be played by that fantastic 4 guy.
He looks abit lightly built ( captain america looks like... middle - heavy weight class ) , and that stupid smirk doesnt fit on someone supposedly very dependable.
I rather have Tom Cruise or Keanu instead of human torch.
Tom Cruise?,Keanu Reeves?...Well why not Will Smith? or Johnny Depp?
I agree that "the Human Torch" is a bad choice to play Cap,but Tom Cruise?
Because thats how much i dont like human torch been cpt America , if someone not suitable must be used
might as well as pick someone not an eye sore xD ( im so mean! )
I get what your saying Luna,some of your suggestions just caught me a bit off guard (just a bit ).
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FITZZ wrote:
LunaHound wrote:I dont know much about Cpt America but he doesnt strike me as someone that should be played by that fantastic 4 guy.
He looks abit lightly built ( captain america looks like... middle - heavy weight class ) , and that stupid smirk doesnt fit on someone supposedly very dependable.
I rather have Tom Cruise or Keanu instead of human torch.
Tom Cruise?,Keanu Reeves?...Well why not Will Smith? or Johnny Depp?
I agree that "the Human Torch" is a bad choice to play Cap,but Tom Cruise?
Marvel has pretty much made their intentions clear that they're striking all the older stuff from the timeline. From what I understand, they're going to redo Fantastic Four...at some point, with a completely different cast.
Really?...I wasn't aware of that,honestly,FF &FF rise of Silver Surfer are only a few years old and there is already talk of "redo"?...wow.
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I am both selfish and chaotic. I value self-gratification and control; I want to have things my way, preferably now. At best, I'm entertaining and surprising; at worst, I'm hedonistic and violent.
I actually have enjoyed pretty much all of the comic book movies. Yes even the 2 fantastic 4's, both Hulks, all 3 x-men + wolverine and even daredevil, elektra and ghostrider.
The only one I can truly say that I "almost" didn't like was the Dark Knight. The crazy Joker and the bat voice almost killed it for me.
People are like dice, a certain Frenchman said that. You throw yourself in the direction of your own choosing. People are free because they can do that. Everyone's circumstances are different, but no matter how small the choice, at the very least, you can throw yourself. It's not chance or fate. It's the choice you made.
generalgrog wrote:I actually have enjoyed pretty much all of the comic book movies. Yes even the 2 fantastic 4's, both Hulks, all 3 x-men + wolverine and even daredevil, elektra and ghostrider.
The only one I can truly say that I "almost" didn't like was the Dark Knight. The crazy Joker and the bat voice almost killed it for me.
Call me a sucker for comic book movies.
GG
I don't understand how you could NOT like "The Dark Knight". That was the best representation of The Joker since the Batman Animated Series in the 90s.
Joker's always been just insane, with a murderous prankster spree in him. The Riddler is the one who's just wacky and ridiculous.
generalgrog wrote:I actually have enjoyed pretty much all of the comic book movies. Yes even the 2 fantastic 4's, both Hulks, all 3 x-men + wolverine and even daredevil, elektra and ghostrider.
The only one I can truly say that I "almost" didn't like was the Dark Knight. The crazy Joker and the bat voice almost killed it for me.
Call me a sucker for comic book movies.
GG
I don't understand how you could NOT like "The Dark Knight". That was the best representation of The Joker since the Batman Animated Series in the 90s.
Joker's always been just insane, with a murderous prankster spree in him. The Riddler is the one who's just wacky and ridiculous.
Well, I did say "almost". I did like the movie, but I wasn't blown away like most people were. Due to the reasons I mentioned.
GG
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LunaHound wrote:I guess this sums up the batman voice problem ^^;
Luna.. I have seen that video a couple dozen times and I always crackup when I see it. And yes it does sum up the problem I have with the bat voice/growl.
Thanks,
GG
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There was an option taken out on a Strontium Dog movie, but I don't think it is going anywhere.
There is still a Judge Dredd reboot in the offing, I believe.
Personally, I'd LOVE to see Halo Jones as a movie trilogy.
A Sinister Dexter movie would be good, but they'd struggle to remove themselves from their Pulp Fiction roots.
Nikolai Dante is a cool character, but god alone knows how you would make a movie out of his story. A trilogy maybe, but I can't see that;
Dante 1: The Gentleman Thief
Dante 2: Tsar Wars
Dante 3: The Gentleman Thief Returns/Sword of the Empire/Scourge of the Empire
Skizz would be a fun series, or maybe a Doctor Who episode!!!
It would never happen, but how awesome would a Nemesis/Deadlock/ABC Warriors movie be?
The one comic I would watch as a film though? Not actually 2000AD, but created by Pat Mills: Charlie's War.
LunaHound wrote:
Cheese Elemental wrote:
LunaHound wrote:
So a movie about now , 10 years ago? o_o
2000AD is a comic...
Whch seems abit outdated lol
Best comic in the world. No-one expected it to last so long back when it was created in the 70s. They decided to keep the name when it became the sole meaningful survivor of Britain's collapsed comic industry.
You don't survive if you are not awesome.
Though guards may sleep and ships may lay at anchor, our foes know full well that big guns never tire.
...and then there's always that piece of cinematic garbage "The Phantom",staring Billy Zane.
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