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So your the guy in the beard thats slightly out of focus?

I'm at the front left with the pepsi bottle giving a thumbs up.

Cool batreps, very nice matchup for a final game. I'd actually be curious to see the Wolf's rise to the top table as he's certainly using a non conventional list to get there, those were probably some awesome games.

Hmmm, if you're moving to Jacksonville you and I will have to try to meet up some time for a little DE on DE violence.


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Sergeant Horse wrote:I'm at the front left with the pepsi bottle giving a thumbs up.

You're dragging down the energy of the picture, the guy on the right is enjoying his day a lot more then you. Spoilsport.

Also, maybe I should say this in the painting thread, but I'm a rebel and/or stupid - your paintjobs were sick looking, very cool work.

Thor665 wrote:
You're dragging down the energy of the picture, the guy on the right is enjoying his day a lot more then you. Spoilsport.

Also, maybe I should say this in the painting thread, but I'm a rebel and/or stupid - your paintjobs were sick looking, very cool work.

PFFT SAAAWWW-RREEY at that point I had been awake for about 14 hours straight...and was recovering from a complete trouncing of my Crimson Fists from some Blood Angels, lucky I was able to stand up at all. Won best Sportsman though, which was nice!

Hey folks, just wanted to issue a little challenge. I'm the defending circuit champ, and I've been scrubbing it up with silly armies for the first two events (melee necrons in the first, carnifex stampede in the second). Enough of that. I got Fargo and Player A together, and we vow that Dash won't win the third one. We're gunnin for ya! Next time I bring my best list, either Fatecrusher or the Pain Train, depending how lucky I feel.

o.O

I think Dash has this!

It should be interesting for sure. You guys are very good players and so is Dash.

I await the battle reports!

40kenthusiast wrote:Hey folks, just wanted to issue a little challenge. I'm the defending circuit champ, and I've been scrubbing it up with silly armies for the first two events (melee necrons in the first, carnifex stampede in the second). Enough of that. I got Fargo and Player A together, and we vow that Dash won't win the third one. We're gunnin for ya! Next time I bring my best list, either Fatecrusher or the Pain Train, depending how lucky I feel.

What are the stakes? =)

40kenthusiast wrote:Hey folks, just wanted to issue a little challenge. I'm the defending circuit champ, and I've been scrubbing it up with silly armies for the first two events (melee necrons in the first, carnifex stampede in the second). Enough of that. I got Fargo and Player A together, and we vow that Dash won't win the third one. We're gunnin for ya! Next time I bring my best list, either Fatecrusher or the Pain Train, depending how lucky I feel.

Did you just say challenge?? better watch what words you use around Dash, cant get him to excited now!

haha

I have to say that when we issue challenges round here in SoCal that if both players agree that the TO pairs them off round 1. Just some food for though

My contribution: Bet on some Captain Morgan. A full tourney's supply.

Batreps best be forthcoming... or the community will be unhappy.

Now I must make the next circuit event! I narrowly missed this one, I wanted to see the Purple people eaters to compare them to my Kabal of Violet shadows

Dashofpepper wrote:

I also met some cool folks from Dakka. I wish I lived in Atlanta since I have no local community where I live - I'm moving soon, but the community where I'm moving to (Jacksonville, FL) is where I left, and its fragmented and there's some real idiots there, and a couple of them apparently have butt-buddies all the way up to NC and all the way down to southern FL; I get stalked on Dakka, Stelek's blog and elsewhere by them. Even my own hatemail segment on Stelek's Ranting.

I lived in Jacksonville before Phoenix, and the gaming scene there is not that great. War Dogs is the only decent store, and they have a tournament every other month or so.

Orlando has a much better 40K crowd though, and I went there for a lot of tournaments. It is about a 118 mile drive, but you seem like me and not adverse to a drive for a good game of 40k. I even drove to Tampa (4 hour drive) for a couple of tournaments.

Yeah, we still lament your departure from the Orlando scene Blackmoor. You are always welcome here in Orlando.

Great Bat Rep Dash, I always enjoy yours.

I just read the link to stelek's blog and all I can say is . That's just hilarious. I can only hope your as good at controlling your temper as you seem and find it funny too.
Once again, great report, funny stuff and I'd love to face you sometime in the future!

My money is on Player-A, but not if he brings his Blood Angels which took 1st at his 'Ard Boyz location. I think his dual-lash chaos is his strongest.

Dashofpepper wrote:If you deploy sideways, rotate and move straight ahead, you can gain an extra 2" or so, giving you about a 31" possible range. With a 12" deployment, that only leaves the back 5" of the table safe.

Where does it say you get extra movement from rotation? It just says it doesn't cost you any movement to do so it does not give or imply extra movement. I think it is fairly clear on page 57.

If your vehichle is farther than 12 inches from where it started and you deploy I would contend that you are breaking the rules.

blood angel wrote:Where does it say you get extra movement from rotation? It just says it doesn't cost you any movement to do so it does not give or imply extra movement. I think it is fairly clear on page 57.

If your vehichle is farther than 12 inches from where it started and you deploy I would contend that you are breaking the rules.

You're misunderstand what is happening. The basic strategy goes like this;

First off, most transport vehicles in this game are more accurately described as rectangles - none are squares.

Second off the front and rear of the transports are almost always the 'short' parts of the rectangle.

Third - if you rotate an rectangle on its center axis the two long sides will be further away then the short sides.

So if I deploy thusly;


----------------------------------- <--edge of deployment line
XX XXXX
XX XXXX
XX


X's represent two vehicles, one deployed sideways and one deployed facing the line. Both vehicles are deployed legally. When you move a vehicle you are allowed to rotate it to point in the direction it is going. Now, consider what would happen if you rotated the two vehicles on their center axis - would one of them end up crossing the deployment line and, in effect, gaining a couple of inches?

40kenthusiast wrote:Hey folks, just wanted to issue a little challenge. I'm the defending circuit champ, and I've been scrubbing it up with silly armies for the first two events (melee necrons in the first, carnifex stampede in the second). Enough of that. I got Fargo and Player A together, and we vow that Dash won't win the third one. We're gunnin for ya! Next time I bring my best list, either Fatecrusher or the Pain Train, depending how lucky I feel.

Won't even matter there Walter I will have my guard ready for the next round. It'll be like taking candy from a baby.

I completly understand what is happening. I also don't want to take away from this win. The extra move clearly wasn't a real factor.

Gaining movement clearly violates the 'maximum' move distance rule.

Thor665 wrote:
You're dragging down the energy of the picture, the guy on the right is enjoying his day a lot more then you. Spoilsport.

That's moi on the far right I just got done beating my opponent in like 40 min haha so was hyped.

And Actually the movement thing is totally legal since you are allowed to pivot as many times as you want on the spot.

blood angel wrote:I completly understand what is happening. I also don't want to take away from this win. The extra move clearly wasn't a real factor.

Gaining movement clearly violates the 'maximum' move distance rule.

No it doesn't. It's called "capitalizing on your vehicle's large frame to gain an advantage". Smart players do it all the time. That's how you form walls or give 2 rhinos cover with a land raider-spam list. In the case of open-topped vehicles, that's how you get extra-charge distance. Casual players may call it shady, but me, I call it competitive gaming.

jy2 wrote:

blood angel wrote:I completly understand what is happening. I also don't want to take away from this win. The extra move clearly wasn't a real factor.

Gaining movement clearly violates the 'maximum' move distance rule.

No it doesn't. It's called "capitalizing on your vehicle's large frame to gain an advantage". Smart players do it all the time. That's how you form walls or give 2 rhinos cover with a land raider-spam list. In the case of open-topped vehicles, that's how you get extra-charge distance. Casual players may call it shady, but me, I call it competitive gaming.

I wouldn't say smart players do it, nor would I say dumb or WAAC (not the same) players do it. Compeitive players do it.

I don't like it, because it is freem movementz! Also, serpents don't do it so well.

Am I not a smart player or do I just not have to use shady rules interpretations to win?

Please feel free to have this discussion with me at the next tournament.

I'm out!

It was a fun tournament. Dash, thanks for taking all the pics.

Inquisitor_Syphonious wrote:
I don't like it, because it is freem movementz! Also, serpents don't do it so well.

They probably would if they were open-topped. But as it is right now, they don't gain any advantage to doing so, but instead exposes their weakness.

One of the things that separate a good general from a mediocre one is how well he understands the nuances of the game and how he exploits it. Sure, some of that may border on the shady or against-the-spirit-of-the-game side (especially from the "unawares victims"), but what they are doing isn't illegal. That's just the difference between a casual gamer and a competitive one. You don't have to like it, but then again, you have to deal with it because it does come up at competitive events such as tournaments.

"My money is on Player-A, but not if he brings his Blood Angels which took 1st at his 'Ard Boyz location. I think his dual-lash chaos is his strongest. "

So bloody true. That list remains preposterously hard, long after he took the Adepticon Invitational with it.

C'mon Walter, what are the stakes?


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jy2 wrote:
One of the things that separate a good general from a mediocre one is how well he understands the nuances of the game and how he exploits it.

True that.

When I have friends over to my house to play 40k its relaxed and involves booze whenever possible.

When I go to a tournament, I'm in a completely different mindset.

Hehe, from what I've seen *points at pictures on page one* I wouldn't say a completely different mindset aye

Great set of reports again, Dash. Another day of monotony at work avoided!

Good to see DE in action, nice report.

A question:

Is the table depicted in this batrep typical for this event or tournaments in general now?

For one it looks 'messy" as if someone threw a bunch of terrain up into the air and left it wherever it landed, and secondly it looks very sparse...

Always found it funny that most events require painted armies, that are then put down onto tables that look like ass.

Event organizers should get scored on their terrain presentation me thinks...