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Kirasu wrote:There is a difference between being a "newbie" and being someone who is easily confused over simple things.. There is no excuse for a person who plays with little soldiers to NOT know how to successfully navigate the internet in order to download something. If they bring the wrong version of their own codex to a tournament then that's their fault.. They should be a little more diligent when going to a competition. This is part of the problem with the world today, instead of setting the bar HIGHER so people achieve we set it low so that no ones feelings are "hurt" or gets confused.

If someone cant figure out how to get the right version of their rules for free on the internet.. oh well, tough luck

Yes, yes, yes but my point is that I'm obviously right and you aren't so there's little point in continuing this obviously over-thought idea. I obviously meant to say that absolutely everyone will download the first PDF, immediately switch armies, buy all new figures and turn up to the next Ard Boys and weep because GW updated the codex while they were travelling to the tournament and now half their army is obsolete. Mothers and wives will weep at the money they scrimped and saved to enable their son/husband to buy their little toy soldiers because toy soldiers make them the best at winning the internet and woe will be unto the Earth...

You can tell I'm not taking this to seriously can't you?

filbert wrote:The BA PDF wasn't really a 'new' codex though - it was more like an extended FAQ to try and make some sense out of an incredibly old 3rd Ed codex and eke out the life span of it.

Spearhead is purely a way to drive model sales at a low cost to GW - nothing more, nothing less.

The BA web only PDF was a Red Paint Job for the already published DA codex. Then they saved some cash on BA books while they moved on.

Homer

CT GAMER wrote:
I want to feel for you, but the two sucking chest wounds created when GW ass-canned first genestealer cultists and then LATD (taking half of my soul each time) has left me dead to the world...

I currently have thousands of points of SOB in mothballs. See I wanted to play SOB not Witch Hunters...

I want a proper SOB codex not feel like my army got shoehorned into another one...

This announcement has triggered my spider sense: This will not end well, for it seems every army i pick gets put on death row, and I can sense the incoming orbital strike...

Fair warning; I am currently playing orks. I apologize in advance for when they are canceled in the near future...

Don't worry, I'm with you here: First 40k army: Sisters of Battle (over 3000pts, now)... Because I wanted to diversify, I naturally added Grey Knights (over 3000pts now). Then, I realized GKs suck, so I went for an army no one in my gaming circle plays: Necrons! (over 3000pts now).

Two years ago, I threw the towel and started Space Marines. Heck, I like gaming nights, I had to have at least one fully functional army. If it weren't that my best friends all play WH40k, I'd have sold those models on eBay years ago.

Phil

Homer S wrote:

filbert wrote:The BA PDF wasn't really a 'new' codex though - it was more like an extended FAQ to try and make some sense out of an incredibly old 3rd Ed codex and eke out the life span of it.

Spearhead is purely a way to drive model sales at a low cost to GW - nothing more, nothing less.

The BA web only PDF was a Red Paint Job for the already published DA codex. Then they saved some cash on BA books while they moved on.

Homer

It went 1" faster?

No, it was a copy/paste of the DA Codex but with red models in place

Didn't GW do something similar to this with the Space Wolves mini-dex around the time 5ed was released? Not a new edition, just the same ole rules to keep the rules alive for new players or interested parties until a new version is released. Nothing particularly new about that and doesn't mean the codexes are getting the BA or Chaos Warriors treatment.

*Hopes for the next codex after DE to be anything but GKs.*

I could only ask for them to at least do some updates/clarifications in the PDFs. Make everything 5th ed ready, but we all know that GW's too lazy to spend the 2 hours needed to do even that.

I'd like them to apply Imperial Armour to my Sisters so I don't have to pay 50 points for a damn Rhino (not that I do anyway, as I use IA rules, but many FNGs are pissy and don't let you use them)

Melissia wrote:I'd like them to apply Imperial Armour to my Sisters so I don't have to pay 50 points for a damn Rhino (not that I do anyway, as I use IA rules, but many FNGs are pissy and don't let you use them)

I rather field 50 repressors.

That would be a lot of repressors.

I meant 50 point repressors.

That would be 55 points for a repressor, cant have one without extra armor! But having one baseline would be good, so no one here would cry when I field them.

WhiteRussian wrote:That would be 55 points for a repressor, cant have one without extra armor! But having one baseline would be good, so no one here would cry when I field them.

Extra armour is an extra 15 points.
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/i/IA2update28AUG.pdf

don_mondo wrote:
What gets me is how simple it would have been to do a true update for each army when 5th came out, kinda like it's rumored is going to happen for 8th Fantasy. And the way they once did for 3rd 40K. Almost any half dozen experienced gamers could probably sit down together and rewrite almost everything that is needed in a couple of days.

Maybe they'll do that again someday.

I don't know how good an idea it would be, though. I mean, a lot of my friends dropped 40k when the 3rd ed came out (mostly because the rules were nothing like the 2nd ed, the whole forces were turned upside down, and a lot of your minis were either no longer viable or actually against the rules... like power swords or fists on your assault marines).

GW bounced back from that by being the only strong miniatures game out at the time. This was before the second biggest miniatures game was something not made by GW. Now there's Warmachine.

They need to not drive gamers away when there is a place for them to go.

Of course if they did a full update in the way that Warmachine does it, it probably wouldn't be as much of a problem.

I started to weep when I realized when the new GK codex comes out I'm just going to end up buying more GK termies again...

ah, there we go for all the german grey knights


http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m2290041_Codex__Daemonenjaeger.pdf

and the witch hunters

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m2290040_Codex__Hexenjaeger.pdf

No such luck on the points updates for Sisters :(

Das Rhino ist 50 Punkte.

It also still has only 1 feuerluken.

"They killed Kenny!" You Bast...." Errr, they "killed off" Torquemada Coteaz & Stern but Lord Karamazov & Celestine are still around.

IF you mean in the fluff, then no... Celestine died when a stockpile of nuclear weapons exploded under her feet.

I suspect Acts of Faith are in for a similar fate once the Sisters get an update...

You mean just like Orders? Wait no, they were ADDED in.


I suspect Acts of Faith will become more like Orders.

Dare to dream!

Actually, now that you mention it, you're probably right!

Still, kind of dilutes them, whitewashes them...

Jervis-izes them.

I guess that way is better than not at all though!

Melissia wrote:IF you mean in the fluff, then no... Celestine died when a stockpile of nuclear weapons exploded under her feet.

No, he means all DH special characters and their rules are not included in the pdf, which is weird.

Well, Coteaz sucked, but Stern could be useful if you wanted a second GM NFW.

Wait, wasn't he a WH?

Yeah, I meant they were left out of the DH PDF, at least in the German version. I always think of Captain Stern's first name as being Lincoln.

Why would they remove them?

I mean, we're currently living through the Era of Jervis, also known as the Era of Special Characters, so why remove two of them?

Wasn't the PDF intended to be an update to the Codex, and not a standalone?

If so, it's possible they're just unchanged.

Although it makes you wonder why they didn't just reprint them with the stats the same.

My ability to read German is a tad rusty but I did compare the numbers, looks like nothing is changed that was easy to spot other than the missing SCs. Their exclusion may have been accidental if whoever make the scan was not very familiar with the DH book. Pages are only the ones with stats, rules and/or points, nothing else. Fluff parts are only there if they are a pertinent page.