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Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:Whats happening with September then?

September is still set to fall between August & October as scheduled...

Halo Reach is coming out in September too!

twistinthunder wrote:

Thorheim wrote:I guess.. no dark eldar.. picture speaks for itself.

i wouldn't say that:

the text, for those interested, reads: "No internet connection again..." not sure what the OP of this pic means...

Starcraft II is set for release soon too. Still would rather have the Tomb Kings. Just want a plastic war machine!

Groundhog wrote:I hope they don't get a new book yet. It'd be nice if GW updated the Bretonnia, Wood Elf, and Tomb Kings books first.

AGREED FREAKING AGREED. It's about bloody time they re-did the Bret's, even the Tomb Kings for christ sake. Come on GW get your act together!

However, I am super keen for the new plastic High Elf White Lions and Sword Masters. Having an entire army filled with ASF Elves with great weapons is too hard to resist...

Hope they don't change speed of asuryan I like striking first with gws

They won't redo the book as the HE book was only recently released.

I'd normally be happy, but with the amount of people jumping on the High Elf bandwagon for 8th, I'm not too excited. I'm not complaining that High Elves are broken, but not looking forward to fighting 4-5 different Elf armies a day =P

Lol true, all with always strike first rule as well haha.

Uriels_Flame wrote:Starcraft II is set for release soon too. Still would rather have the Tomb Kings. Just want a plastic war machine!

Mantic have a plastic skelly catapult

kastellan wrote:Lol true, all with always strike first rule as well haha.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong here, but hasn't that rule become less special, more redundat? Doesn't combat go strictly by initiative now, which means HE strike before almost everything anyway?

Well now if you have ASF and higher initiative, you get re-rolls to hit. which makes Swordmasters a (lightly armored, low toughness) blender. And since HE have super-special ASF which ignores the ASL from their great weapons, they will almost always be striking first with re-rolls to hit.

RZ

well swordmasters always ignored their great weapons asl rule. I think the main bonus is all the re-roll to hit and high initiative.

FlammingGaunt wrote:well swordmasters always ignored their great weapons asl rule. I think the main bonus is all the re-roll to hit and high initiative.

Exactly why you'll see me with a massive army of swordmasters and white lions lol.

kastellan wrote:

Exactly why you'll see me with a massive army of swordmasters and white lions lol.

And roughly one month after I buy boxes of white lions, GW will issue a new rulebook where White Lions do not ignore Always Strikes Last on Great Weapons (glares at Minotaur heavy army with 6 units of 5 Ungor Skirmishers as core).

Da Butcha wrote:

And roughly one month after I buy boxes of white lions, GW will issue a new rulebook where White Lions do not ignore Always Strikes Last on Great Weapons (glares at Minotaur heavy army with 6 units of 5 Ungor Skirmishers as core).

Haha yeah knowing my luck it will liekly happen. I'll just finish my army and then "High Elves no longer have always strike fist" lol.

High Elves aren't getting a new army book anytime soon, so no worries there, really.

And when they do, I doubt that will actually happen anyway!

kastellan wrote:I'll just finish my army and then "High Elves no longer have always strike fist" lol.

Don't worry. High Elves will always strike with swords, lances, helebards, axes, spears, but never with fists

Out of curiousity, has there ever been a good explaination how a guy with a short sword can somehow manage to not only kill a knight charging with a 10' lance, but manages to do so before the lance has a chance to hit just because he happens to be a high elf?

(And no, 'it's magic' is not an acceptable answer. Neither is 'it's fantasy'. Melee works in certain ways, and one of those ways is that during the approach battle longer weapons hit first.

The High Elf, with his built in speed +, deftly steps aside, dodging the lance, and pokes him in the squishy bits?

Nah. It's those gigantic helmets. They just lean their head forward and the enemy gets poked by it before their attack hits.

That probably is the more likely outcome...

So are they any rumors on whats going to change?

All the new HE releases are very tempting though hopefully i'll be able to resist the pull of starting another army and be able to concentrate on my other armies. Either that or i'll inherit a lot of money from a long lost uncle that i never knew i had and get lots of new armies!

Alpharius wrote:The High Elf, with his built in speed +, deftly steps aside, dodging the lance, and pokes him in the squishy bits?

Sooo... how does the lance then hit later in the round with S+2? By that interpretation the elves have bypassed the lances and are now at sword range and the knights have to use their own swords (or bash them in the head with the Club of Hercules ), so there is no way the knights should get the extra S from a lance charge.

No, it's just one of those things that only makes sense if you want to make High Elves much nastier than they have any right being. After all... Dark Elves are just as fast - same race, after all, just a different leader and mindset - AND they are much more likely to devote their lives to hurting things... so why don't they get superASF as well? What about Wood elves, spending all thier time hunting and what not, same race, just as fast, why not them?

HE slways strike first

does that mean they all down tools and pick up placards?

Good question Vulcan
Woodies have minimal armour so theoretrically should be even faster.

Vulcan wrote:

No, it's just one of those things that only makes sense if you want to make High Elves much nastier than they have any right being. After all... Dark Elves are just as fast - same race, after all, just a different leader and mindset - AND they are much more likely to devote their lives to hurting things... so why don't they get superASF as well? What about Wood elves, spending all thier time hunting and what not, same race, just as fast, why not them?

I was only joking in my 'explanation'!

You're looking for Fluff Justification for something that is, at least according to GW, most likely a Game Balance thing.

As such, you're bound to be... disappointed.

Alpharius wrote:

Vulcan wrote:

No, it's just one of those things that only makes sense if you want to make High Elves much nastier than they have any right being. After all... Dark Elves are just as fast - same race, after all, just a different leader and mindset - AND they are much more likely to devote their lives to hurting things... so why don't they get superASF as well? What about Wood elves, spending all thier time hunting and what not, same race, just as fast, why not them?

I was only joking in my 'explanation'!

You're looking for Fluff Justification for something that is, at least according to GW, most likely a Game Balance thing.

As such, you're bound to be... disappointed.

It wouldn't be so bad... except now they not only ASF, they also get a better version of Eternal Hatred on top of it! At least DE hatred ENDS after the first turn except vs. High Elves. High Elves get rerolls most of the time now!

Vulcan wrote:

Alpharius wrote:The High Elf, with his built in speed +, deftly steps aside, dodging the lance, and pokes him in the squishy bits?

Sooo... how does the lance then hit later in the round with S+2? By that interpretation the elves have bypassed the lances and are now at sword range and the knights have to use their own swords (or bash them in the head with the Club of Hercules ), so there is no way the knights should get the extra S from a lance charge.

No, it's just one of those things that only makes sense if you want to make High Elves much nastier than they have any right being. After all... Dark Elves are just as fast - same race, after all, just a different leader and mindset - AND they are much more likely to devote their lives to hurting things... so why don't they get superASF as well? What about Wood elves, spending all thier time hunting and what not, same race, just as fast, why not them?

Don't think of it being just supernaturally fast...

Think of it as actual training and drilling for maneuvers. Those are the two things that the High Elves have an advantage of over the Dark Elves and Wood Elves.

High Elves train their troops to fight in formation,with armor and equipment, constantly. They know, intuitively, what to do as does the rest of the formation they're with. That kind of training is what differentiated the Spartans and the Roman Legions from their contemporaries.

As for the lance bit...
Just because you're not first, doesn't mean you don't still have momentum. That's what cavalry charges of armored knights with lances were all about. A unit of guys wearing full plate on barded steeds going full-out is the medieval equivalent of Hitler's Blitzkrieg. They're still going to hit whatever they're aiming for pretty damned hard.

Vulcan wrote:
It wouldn't be so bad... except now they not only ASF, they also get a better version of Eternal Hatred on top of it! At least DE hatred ENDS after the first turn except vs. High Elves. High Elves get rerolls most of the time now!

Let's put some things in perspective here, Vulcan.

The point of ASF for the HE book in 7th was that High Elves, suffering from the T3/low save that all elves have, could deal enough damage so that they would negate the attacks hitting them (less hits back, less chances of dying).

Step Up in 8th = nerfed the crap out of this. To counter-act this, they provided the re-rolls. I can see why Druchii players are in a huff about this, since it's basically their special rule. But consider this: The dark elves and wood elves also effectively received ASF just as a result of the Initiative-based combat and their naturally high-statsline. Is it always going to be the case that you guys hit first? No. But neither is getting the re-rolls for ASF for the High Elves. Not to mention the fact that the High Elves are the only one of the elves that can't take effective, independent monsters in their list and are still in general paying 2-3 points more per model for equivalent units.

Also, if anyone should complain, it should be the Wood Elf players. At least DE still have really good magic items, effective (though more prone to death now) assassins, cheap and deadly shooting units, a still nasty monster and really mean nigh-limitless PD-producing Magic. You guys didn't really lose out much in all of this.

The High Elf batallion will change from 16 Spearmen, 16 archers, 8 silver helms and one catapult to 20 spearmen, 20 archers, 1 chariot and one catapult:





http://forum.warhammer-forum.com/index.php?showtopic=151031&pid=1722718&st=50&#entry1722718

This is one of the 4 new plastic boxes, the other 3 seem to be Phoenix Guard, White Lions and Dragon Princes. There will be 2 metal boxes and 2 blisters, nothing definite known yet about these. Plus a spell card deck.