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Kid_Kyoto wrote:My buddy has the inside scoop and what he tells me is models will get better, prices will be higher and the new armies will be much more powerful than the old ones!

And you can take that to the bank!

So says Mr. Stewart.

The thing with Mantic is that not only will they have a ruleset, but the one thing that I think was a serious wake-up call was Alessio agreeing to write the rules. When that happened, I think GW was less than happy with the news. They've lost developers before, but with the combined push to plastic with Privateer and Mantic getting ready for their big release, I think they're trying to ensure that they don't lose out to Mantic's pricing or Privateer's rules.

They could just remove all the different codices and instead produce one very large (and expensive) book that everyone would need to buy to use.

Ravaging Hordes stylee...

It would remove codex/armybook creep, but possibly leave us with one or two surefire op armies in each game that had no chance of being outgunned for 5 years.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:They could just remove all the different codices and instead produce one very large (and expensive) book that everyone would need to buy to use.

Ravaging Hordes stylee...

It would remove codex/armybook creep, but possibly leave us with one or two surefire op armies in each game that had no chance of being outgunned for 5 years.

One question though...

What color is the sky in your world?!?

Seriously - that ain't happenin'!

Kurgash wrote:So the changes will probably be price gouging, a few more model releases and 1 book per year. By the time my Necrons roll around I'll be in a crypt waiting my WBB roll...

Here's a hint: you aren't going to make it!

I support any change in policy that gets models to players more often than once every five years. Every army should be able to get a new toy every 18 months or so. Ideally, in the form of a plastic kit and a blister or two. And that is in the off period. We all like new toys. The reason I play (well, collect) Marines is that they get new toys every year. It is that simple.

That said, we've been promised "this year" forever. I'll believe these things when we start to see them. I have been happier with their more flexible model release schedules of late. A step in the right direction.

Just put my chaos forces back into one armybook/codex per system and ill be a happy bunny....

I'll believe it when I see it. Maybe not even then.

Mithrax wrote:So hold on.

Changes are coming, which are only hinted at, in some nebulous form that affects everything that GW is doing and we're going to like it, but they won't tell us what it is.

Why not say something equally valid like "Something is going to happen somewhere, sometime".

I'm not being cynical, I'm being realistic. Give me evidence, proof, and substance, and I'll believe it.

It's a rumor... by definition they don't NEED any of those things. It's not like you're expected to believe every rumor you hear.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:They could just remove all the different codices and instead produce one very large (and expensive) book that everyone would need to buy to use.

Ravaging Hordes stylee...

It would remove codex/armybook creep, but possibly leave us with one or two surefire op armies in each game that had no chance of being outgunned for 5 years.

Maybe the long-standing joke of a "Codex: Marines" and "Codex: Not Marines" aren't too far from the truth?

No, I'm pretty sure that remains, now and forever, very from from the truth.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:They could just remove all the different codices and instead produce one very large (and expensive) book that everyone would need to buy to use.

Ravaging Hordes stylee...

It would remove codex/armybook creep, but possibly leave us with one or two surefire op armies in each game that had no chance of being outgunned for 5 years.

Maybe the long-standing joke of a "Codex: Marines" and "Codex: Not Marines" aren't too far from the truth?

As a long-time Codex: Not Marines Player, I can tell you that some of those Codex: Marines entries are broken. It's like GW doesn't even care about MY army at all.

Are you a...

...Dark Eldar player?!?

I read this there earlier. I'm hoping 6th edition is a totally combined book, with the army lists and rules put together.

Then, they can release the fluff and painting guides in books like the codexii. I mean painting guides for every model in the range, not three of them

This would make me much happier with the hobby. They could release new options (for the armies) in WD, and the rulebook could have a thing at the back for the WD pages, like a binder, where you could take notes, put your army lists, anything!

Doubt it will happen though, since 8th WHFB is nothing different from the usual. 8th will be around at least another 2 years, maybe longer.

Samus_aran115 wrote:I read this there earlier. I'm hoping 6th edition is a totally combined book, with the army lists and rules put together.

Then, they can release the fluff and painting guides in books like the codexii. I mean painting guides for every model in the range, not three of them

This would make me much happier with the hobby. They could release new options (for the armies) in WD, and the rulebook could have a thing at the back for the WD pages, like a binder, where you could take notes, put your army lists, anything!

Doubt it will happen though, since 8th WHFB is nothing different from the usual. 8th will be around at least another 2 years, maybe longer.

No way at all is this happening with the newxt edition of 40K.

Why people keep wishlisting for it is beyond me, and it is getting a bit weird...

As for 8th edition - it will be around a lot longer than 2 more years - it just came out!

Sheesh!

Alpharius wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:I read this there earlier. I'm hoping 6th edition is a totally combined book, with the army lists and rules put together.

Then, they can release the fluff and painting guides in books like the codexii. I mean painting guides for every model in the range, not three of them

This would make me much happier with the hobby. They could release new options (for the armies) in WD, and the rulebook could have a thing at the back for the WD pages, like a binder, where you could take notes, put your army lists, anything!

Doubt it will happen though, since 8th WHFB is nothing different from the usual. 8th will be around at least another 2 years, maybe longer.

No way at all is this happening with the newxt edition of 40K.

Why people keep wishlisting for it is beyond me, and it is getting a bit weird...

As for 8th edition - it will be around a lot longer than 2 more years - it just came out!

Sheesh!

Hence the phrase "at least"

I'm not really wishlisting. This is just how the hobby would be perfect to me. They do this kind of thing for LotR, iirc. I'm sure 8th will last at least 4 years.

Alpharius wrote:...No way at all is this happening with the newxt edition of 40K.

Why people keep wishlisting for it is beyond me, and it is getting a bit weird...

I can't see it either, and even if it was a plausible idea, we'd end up with a £100+ book of rules (Add an extra £100 for the collector editions). Then, we'd have to lug an obess behmouth of a book (I'd estimate 600 - 1000 pages) around. In the end GW would have to make it out of the stuff they make Bibles from - result: A very heavy and fragile book that is packed full of content, shame it'll be in size 6 print with tiny thumbnail pictures.

Ah, good point. But you're forgetting that the rules are less than a hundred pages, and the important facts about every unit in the game could only take up maybe 250 pages. Without the fluff and pictures, a codex is the size of a good school essay

I can't see the model thing being a big change. What I think will be more of a change is the way things are shaping up with WHFB, in that there is a large selection of rules and generic magic items in the book so that the Codex or Army Book doesn't introduce new mechanics but cherry picks from the rule book. That way the armies can get their flavour from heroes and magic rather than special rules specific to their codex. I also think that they may feel they have reached a critical mass with the number of players on the web and that they will now do more web updates. This will help them avoid 'flavour of the month' armies that might be great on release weekend but leave them with a lot of stock lingering after the army launch. The only other thing with models is not leaving so many entries in the army lists without official models.

I will not be pleased if this keeps my dark eldar codex from me any longer.

I`ve mentioned this before, but back when i was a lad and GW were first introducing plastics (3x multi-part Dwarfs or Orcs for 75p or {i think} £5 for ten packs to make a unit of 30, followed by Undead horde =10 cavalry, a chariot and i think 40 infantry for £10, it was stated that the main cost was the mouldings and that due to the negligible cost of plastic the mini`s would get cheaper and cheaper over time which would allow them to produce armies on the basis of HORDES of very cheap rank and file with a sprinkling of the inevitably more expensive metal characters which would always carry more detail.

Now although the price of plastic has risen in recent years it is still almost nothing when you are talking about 28mm figures-anyone who thinks otherwise try weighing a unit of models then compare to the sprue you are expected to put in the bin.

So if GW is planning to charge what they are worth forget price increases and look forward to 100 strong horde units for £10. (snigger).

On one hand I don't play any more but still want to buy the occasional kit to build, so if this means more plastic kits there's more chance that they'll produce the ones I want to buy. On the other, I have my doubts that GW would produce the one plastic kit I've been waiting for for seven years (plastic Sisters of Battle) without a codex release.

jprp wrote:I`ve mentioned this before, but back when i was a lad and GW were first introducing plastics (3x multi-part Dwarfs or Orcs for 75p or {i think} £5 for ten packs to make a unit of 30, followed by Undead horde =10 cavalry, a chariot and i think 40 infantry for £10, it was stated that the main cost was the mouldings and that due to the negligible cost of plastic the mini`s would get cheaper and cheaper over time which would allow them to produce armies on the basis of HORDES of very cheap rank and file with a sprinkling of the inevitably more expensive metal characters which would always carry more detail.

Now although the price of plastic has risen in recent years it is still almost nothing when you are talking about 28mm figures-anyone who thinks otherwise try weighing a unit of models then compare to the sprue you are expected to put in the bin.

So if GW is planning to charge what they are worth forget price increases and look forward to 100 strong horde units for £10. (snigger).

so what like mantic lol but seriously got a unit of 20 scelitons for 15 bucks.

While it's good to see people taking the phrase "big changes" in possitive light... I hate to be the rain cloud. Big changes are happening because the guy that brought us 5th edition 40K, Alessio Cavatore, has left GW to write a competing rules set for Mantic, Kings of War.

Crapping out all the books at once kills the community enthusiasm for up-and-coming releases however you look at it. They will practically have to release a new edition every year to make up for it.

Models have been getting better already... late 7th ed WHFB and everything since the '09 SW first wave have been evidence of that. Rules have been, in recent years, become much more uniform, and despite the atrocity of the SW book (in terms of lack of clarification), this is also a good thing.

Prices have been rising too fast. Much too fast. Forget the most recent rise, I stopped buying GW models at full price since last year's hike and there is nothing in my opinion that can improve public opinion of GW more than an apology and a price reduction. They will get old customers back and be in a better position to attract new customers. If their new 'focus' is exactly what they have been doing presented in a less enticing 'just get the moneymakers on the shelves' fashion, then I wish you all the best of luck, GW. You've been running on it for a good while now.

GW is not an acronym for 'goodwill', but if there is any direction they need to move in now to change their profit outlook, this is it.

All the cynical "price gouging" talk is ignoring GW's most recent round of financial statements. They were profitable this year, and they just paid off a significant amount of debt. They will not need to increase prices in order to remain profitable, so they probably will not do so.

It's tempting to do the whole "they're just greedy idiots" thing, but the fact is GW is making a profit in a luxury product during a major global economic slowdown. If they were greedy idiots, they would not be having that level of success.

Change bad.

Phryxis wrote:All the cynical "price gouging" talk is ignoring GW's most recent round of financial statements. They were profitable this year, and they just paid off a significant amount of debt. They will not need to increase prices in order to remain profitable, so they probably will not do so.

It's tempting to do the whole "they're just greedy idiots" thing, but the fact is GW is making a profit in a luxury product during a major global economic slowdown. If they were greedy idiots, they would not be having that level of success.

Or they have a really good product

If it somehow magically increases the speed of Codex releases without negatively impacting the content, I'm fine with it. Anything that brings Codex Chaos: Non Horrible Edition closer is fine with me.

Phryxis wrote:All the cynical "price gouging" talk is ignoring GW's most recent round of financial statements. They were profitable this year, and they just paid off a significant amount of debt. They will not need to increase prices in order to remain profitable, so they probably will not do so.

It's tempting to do the whole "they're just greedy idiots" thing, but the fact is GW is making a profit in a luxury product during a major global economic slowdown. If they were greedy idiots, they would not be having that level of success.

Except in those same financial statements the CEO states that they have priced their products lower than their actual value, suggesting more price rises. And they were profitable last year too... in fact, they have been profitable for several years...

I'm throwing my lot in with the cynics here.

'There's big changes coming, but we won't tell you what they are...' It's starting to sound like Monty Python's election night special (there's a big swing here to the silly party, but how big a swing, I'm not going to tell you)!

GW of course has a proven track record of this kind of thing:
GW 'We're doing something special this year that we have never done before' *nudge, wink*
Customer 'Really? I've heard its Space Hulk.'
GW 'NO! Its definately not that'
[releases Space Hulk...]

The only hopeful sign, as others have pointed out, is that GW is finally getting some serious competition. If companies like Mantic, PP and others get enough market penetration, GW will be forced to address why their customers are jumping ship and make major changes. If they're clever, they'll anticipate the current trend and make those changes now, thus nipping in the bud the development of potential competition.

As this is GW, however (and let's face it, they've consistently shown an inability to think strategically over the long term) what they're likely to do is to make the minimum change they think they can get away with to retain customers and short-term profitability. This won't make GW's competitors go away, but it may stave them off for a few years, thus keeping the shareholders happy until the next crisis comes along...