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Comintern wrote:I was personally under the impression that No Sister of Battle has fallen to the influence of Chaos. (mark this as Sister of Battle. Not member of the Inquisition).

I think that quote is more about Grey Knights.

Though I'm not sure if later books in Counter's Grey Knights series killed that one too... Ugh!

Comintern wrote:I was personally under the impression that No Sister of Battle has fallen to the influence of Chaos. (mark this as Sister of Battle. Not member of the Inquisition). I am probably mistaken on it.

You're almost right. The 2nd Edition Codex said: "A sign of the Sisters strength is the fact that in their entire history only a single sister, Miriael Sabathiel, has fallen to the lure of Chaos. How Miriael fell is unknown, only that she was turned from the Emperor's light to Slaanesh worship, and now serves as one of the prince of chaos' greatest warriors."

But then half a dozen authors thought, "A challenge, eh?" and wrote half a dozen stories about more Sisters falling to chaos, until you'd think the loyal ones were in the minority. If you're familiar with Dungeons and Dragons, it's kind of like what happened with Drizzt Do'Urden clones and evil drow.

Well, Flaming Spider, I won't think you're a pervert loser if you make Slaaneshi Sisters of Battle. At least, you'd need to do more than model some figures to make me think that about you, ha ha! But I will set your army on fire once I get my Immolators done

Emperor forgive you, seek his pardon in death!
(and have a fun weekend!)
Frankie

Comintern wrote:Eitherway, Making a Sleezenesh Sister of Battle does make you look like a pervert Loser imho. Like this guy I know making an entirely Naked Dark Eldar Wych force. Yeah you can do it, but why. You just seem sad.

And honestly, I think I would laugh in your face if you brought that to a table I Was at. I really would. Not saying you couldnt make the Models Look awesome. But, come on man. Enact your Nun fantasies out elsewhere.

Um. Sorry, but how do these two even compare? Making a Sisters of Battle force (and note that Sisters wear very conservative clothing and armor, and show literally nothing other than their faces) that follows Slaanesh (not just the god of sex, but of excess and pleasure in general) even come close to comparing to a naked Dark Eldar army? I'm scratching my head over this one.

AlexHolker wrote:If you're familiar with Dungeons and Dragons, it's kind of like what happened with Drizzt Do'Urden clones and evil drow.

Minor correction: Drizzt Do'Urden is a character in the Forgotten Realms IP, which is not D&D. Dungeons and Dragons has a Forgotten Realms campaign setting, but that's the only place where they cross over. They're still two entirely seperate IPs.

D&D is set in Eberron, not Toril.

do it and lol at the nerd rage

candy.man wrote:It's your hobby bro, you should do whatever conversion you want, expecially at the price models cost nowdays. Personally I've never seen any sort of fluff/model predjudace in the gaming clubs I've been to. Maybe that's because the hobby is more laid back and social down here. The social environment of one country/city/town/suburb can be very different to another so its very hard to make a comment on how the army will be received without knowing how your gaming club rolls. If you know that they are cool with the idea, there's nothing holding you back, besides maybe the internetz apparently.

At the end of the day, take anything the internetz told you with a grain of salt. We're all faceless sources of text at the end of the day.

This...

...and, I can't believe how many people are acting like Otaku over 40k Fluff. Damn their fluff, it's your army. Have fun with it. My suggestion would be to consider using the Daemonettes and building them up with bits and GS to effect a Sisters of Slaneesh army. IIRC most of them are already in a type of corset, so you may only have to add things like tabards/sleeves and arms to hold bolters etc. Hmm...I'm thinking crossing the old DE lower bodies with the Daemonettes might work really well. Obviously lots to think about.

Hazard,

At face value, you are probably right, but come on. Nuns, Sleezenesh, obviously noting but the purest intentions to the faith. Clearly my mind slipped into the gutter prematurely there.

Comintern wrote:Hazard,

At face value, you are probably right, but come on. Nuns, Sleezenesh, obviously noting but the purest intentions to the faith. Clearly my mind slipped into the gutter prematurely there.

I think it did.

See, when people talk about nuns, 99% of the time, it's not in a sexual manner.

When people talk about Slaanesh, at least 50% of the time, it's not in a sexual manner.

Yes, yes, we get it, Slaanesh is the god of sex. Woohoo, hilarious. Penis jokes abound.

But Slaanesh is also the god of excess, the god of life, and the god of pain.

I don't know about you, but none of those things translate into "sex" to me.

So when I think about Slaaneshi Space-nuns, I don't think kinky fetish fuel, I think faithful zealots devoted to the God-Emperor who have been tempted or drawn down the path to a life of excess and pleasure, and have devoted themselves instead to Slaanesh.

They wouldn't walk onto the battlefield naked or wield penis-cannons. They'd instead be faster, stronger, and more sadistic in nature.

Does this fit with Sisters fluff? I don't think so, for reasons I've already stated. But that doesn't mean that 1) he shouldn't be allowed to try out a story like this, or that 2) he's just doing it because BOOBIEZ LOL.

Children think like that. Adults (I like to think) do not.

so they are Mashocist? Thats even better.

But hey, you are probably right. Im sure 99% of the people will look at that army and think they are all crack fiends looking for spoons and needle, or perhaps taking binge drinking to excess.


Though, why not make them Chaos Undivided? Or does that not exist anymore? I havent bothered buying either the Daemon or the Chaos Latest Codex. But it seems like a "fallen sister" army would fall into the Word Bearer scheme rather nicely.

You're right about that one, Undivided would be pretty awesome, and seeing as the Word Bearers still have lots of religious iconography and Chaplains, the transition would be a little smoother.

But I personally feel like half of the Chaos Gods don't really fit the Sisters, and Undivided would mean pledging their allegiance to all four.

Khorne fits because Khorne is the god of duty, discipline, and martial power.
Nurgle fits somewhat because Nurgle is the god of despair (and all Sisters know that hope is the first step on the road to disappointment), and stagnation (Sisters credo hasn't changed much in the last 9-10,000 years).
Tzeentch doesn't fit at all, because he's the god of magic (Sisters would not abide the witch), hope (see above), and change (see above).
Slaanesh doesn't fit much because he's the god of decadence, pleasure (Sisters live a very Spartan, self-denying lifestyle), and sex (while Sisters don't take vows of chastity, I can't see them being anything other than chaste).

I still maintain that Khorne fits best from a fluff standpoint.

As you pointed out, he is also the god of Pain in the 40k Universe. They could punish themselves. Like those monks that whip and hurt their own bodies. (I do not know the exact term for them.)

Eitherway though, from a fluff point of view, to even use sisters. you are one shakey ground to begin with.

Flagellants.

Which, as far as I know, Sisters are not.

So it still doesn't fit.

Sister's Repentia?

Id find it more believable that sisters would seek wounds from combat. And inflict punishment to feel the pain the Emeperor did (or I believe that is what the monks do. Inflict pain to simulate that which was inflicted on Jesus. Im not sure, talking out of my ass on all this). Then I would believing they fall to the powers of Chaos.

Comintern wrote:Sister's Repentia?

Are no longer techincally Sisters. They've been outcast for some sin or heresy they committed, and seek absolution in death. Therefore their presence in a Chaos Sisters of Battle force is questionable if not downright ridiculous.

SaintHazard wrote:

AlexHolker wrote:If you're familiar with Dungeons and Dragons, it's kind of like what happened with Drizzt Do'Urden clones and evil drow.

Minor correction: Drizzt Do'Urden is a character in the Forgotten Realms IP, which is not D&D. Dungeons and Dragons has a Forgotten Realms campaign setting, but that's the only place where they cross over. They're still two entirely seperate IPs.

D&D is set in Eberron, not Toril.

I love when people get hyper critical of someone else's post and are wrong.

D&D is set in the Nentir Vale now. Sorry. :( Eberron is another setting as well. I think you'll find he was using D&D in the common, not hyper specialized context.

DnD is set in many places, and none of them are set in stone (GM's decision is final in any roleplay).

As for the comparison, Saint Hazard... actually, people HAVE modeled corrupted Sisters with breasts exposed (or at least the left breast IIRC)... or worse.

Face it, Slaanesh is perverted. Slaanesh is the very concept of perversion. Slaanesh seduces, corrupts, violates, tortures, rapes, and every day tries to find newer more extreme kinks to get off on. This is the reason Slaanesh is never featured in any videogames. The most that he/she/it got out of them in the DoW games was a single line in DoW2's expansion, and in the WFB MMO, he/she/it only had a single enemy which was covered up and decried as unfluffy by most people who actually knew the background.

Flaming_Spider wrote:So, this is the next army I'm thinking of doing. Chaos Sisters of Battle allied with some Slannesh daemons, and I've got a pretty good army. Problem is how. I'm not the best with conversions or modifications, so converting Sisters of Battle to chaos isn't going to be easy for me, but thats why I came here. Any ideas, suggestions, comments, concerns, duffel bags full of twenty dollar bills, etc... will be greatly appreciated.

I hate it when people stick tentacles and spikes to every miniature at hand just because they can. And every second teen seeing a female miniature has the idea of a Sex God worshipping army of babes, but this will get very lame pretty soon while hitting official background straight in the face. I do not recommend it and personally wouldn't play against it out of respect of the official setting.

pretre wrote:

SaintHazard wrote:

AlexHolker wrote:If you're familiar with Dungeons and Dragons, it's kind of like what happened with Drizzt Do'Urden clones and evil drow.

Minor correction: Drizzt Do'Urden is a character in the Forgotten Realms IP, which is not D&D. Dungeons and Dragons has a Forgotten Realms campaign setting, but that's the only place where they cross over. They're still two entirely seperate IPs.

D&D is set in Eberron, not Toril.

I love when people get hyper critical of someone else's post and are wrong.

D&D is set in the Nentir Vale now. Sorry. :( Eberron is another setting as well. I think you'll find he was using D&D in the common, not hyper specialized context.

Eh. You're probably referring to that game that Wizards of the Coast is currently referring to as Dungeons and Dragons.

D&D is and always will be set in Eberron.

Melissia wrote:DnD is set in many places, and none of them are set in stone (GM's decision is final in any roleplay).

As for the comparison, Saint Hazard... actually, people HAVE modeled corrupted Sisters with breasts exposed (or at least the left breast IIRC)... or worse.

Face it, Slaanesh is perverted. Slaanesh is the very concept of perversion. Slaanesh seduces, corrupts, violates, tortures, rapes, and every day tries to find newer more extreme kinks to get off on. This is the reason Slaanesh is never featured in any videogames. The most that he/she/it got out of them in the DoW games was a single line in DoW2's expansion, and in the WFB MMO, he/she/it only had a single enemy which was covered up and decried as unfluffy by most people who actually knew the background.

My point was that not all Slaanesh followers have to be modeled with their breasts exposed. I'm certain it's been done. I'm also certain it's entirely unnecessary. And if it is done, I could easily argue that it was done in poor taste.

Poor taste?

With Slaanesh?


Nawwwwwwww



edit: Hint, Slaanesh is the very essence of bad taste. You think these modles are excessive? Good, because they're SLAANESHI MODELS.

OMG! Slaaneshi sisters sounds so HOT!

Sisters already have that whole whipping, dominatrix thing going on. Then they have to be all alone in those convents, with no men... wrestling, undressing, watching each other in the shower! Trying not to think impure thoughts... But we all know that they're bound to snap sooner or later (like all women), and then that repressed, pent up, lesbian lust is just gonna come gushing out in a huge orgy of writhing girl on girl Slaanesh worshipping action!

I'm fapping furiously right now just thinking about it!!!

... Or am I?

Ack - I can see now that Chaos Sisters is going to join the illustrious company of Female Space Marines.

Let's just keep it civil, do NOT insult each other, etc.

You know, warning time and all that.

SmackCakes, if the Sisters of Battle were that weak willed and carnal, they wouldn't need to fall to Slaanesh, would they? Thankfully we -know- they are shining examples of purity, goodness, and faith, this is clearly stated by GW. They are -so- holy they get special rules in combat, clearly their will and spirits are much stronger than the average war gamers, ha ha That is why they are so beautiful, the righteous revere them, and the sinful covet them.

Emperor bless and cherish you!
---Frankie

Well (good fun aside)...

A Slaanesh SoB army doesn't have to made from sisters who turned to the dark side.

I'm sure Slaanesh would not be above creating a debauched army of demonettes and worshippers who are just dressed as SoB in order to anger and provoke the real SoB. Not to mention causing confusion... Though this sounds slightly more Tzeentch's style.

Or you could fluff it up by making it a Slaaneshi army that has recently pillaged an SoB convent. That way you could have lots of nasty nasty stuff... Like sisters held captive, bound to the front of Rhinos, hung from banners, etc... You could cover all the miniature bases, with broken and looted SoB bodies and holy paraphernalia. AND! you could still have your demonettes and cultists in partially looted armour, and with looted and defaced SoB vehicles and draped mockingly in holy relics and such.

I think that would make a more interesting and believable theme, and works as a ready made scenario (fluff-wise) for any battle you have against imperial forces. E.g: Marines/IG/Grey Knights come to face down the evil forces of Slaanesh who ransacked the parish of Saint (whoever), and avenge the brave SoB who died (or worse) defending it.

I'm sure any imperial force would be disguised to see holy sisters hung from banners, with demons wearing their skin.

Having made female Chaos Space Marines (and not gotten any flak at my FLGS, for the record, only compliments, and a few time of the month jokes from friends), I think you could do chaos Sisters of Battle, just making up your own fluff. (In fact, I have considered making my Chaos "Lord" a former Sister, turned from the Emperor through jealousy of the power of Space Marines.) [Originating out of my own irritation that my options for having a significantly female presence within an army were very limited.]

I just don't think you should use Sisters models Sisters models are made of metal at this point in time. I had considered trying to deface the squad of sisters I bought when I first started 40k, but after hours of a metal file on them just to get them on the bases, I was done with trying to work with the metal. Also: If you want to have them have faces, I warn you that I have found decent female faces very difficult to find. So I'm not sure what to suggest you use as the beginnings of your conversions. However the previous idea mentioned regarding daemonettes in armor does sound absolutely fascinating. But Daemonettes are wicked to put together too (tiny plastic pieces! Some of which only go together certain ways). And in that case you'd probably have to green-stuff the armor pieces which might be weird.

To make my female CSMs, I just used greenstuff on the standard CSM chestplates. It was a lot easier than I thought, and came out really well actually. Of course, my female CSMs are fully armored, so it was a lot easier than if you went with bare-chest. (But that would be even harder with SoB as the base model. Ugh...Hate to even think about it.)

Though, I will say that maybe the reason I don't get flak about my female CSMs it is because I'm a girl myself, and that some nerds are so stunned by my presence, they don't dare say anything in case they scare me away. Or just because my fiance is with me. *shrug*

Everyone feels the pull of Chaos at some point, only takes a few to join up and make a warband. Like minded individuals gathering followers blind to their true intentions. Never know, Canoness has psychic aura able to bend the minds of others around them like that Chaos general in Kain's Last Stand where he had Battle Sisters fighting for him due to mind control.

Melissia wrote:Aside from the fact that it's completely unfluffy?

Don't be completely ridiculous.

Sisters of Slannesh is a time-honored, Fluffy army dating back to 2E.

I'm surprised GW hasn't made it official, and fully expect to see it retconned into the upcoming C: Sisters of Battle, representing the forces of "Radical" Witch Hunters.


@OP: for Sisters of Slaanesh, you'll need lots of semi-naked Sisters models, along with lots of tentacle bitz.

Good luck, and don't forget to share the pics!

FyoraSilverwolf wrote:Though, I will say that maybe the reason I don't get flak about my female CSMs it is because I'm a girl myself, and that some nerds are so stunned by my presence, they don't dare say anything in case they scare me away. Or just because my fiance is with me. *shrug*

You're lucky then, as I have the opposite experience.


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Kurgash wrote:Everyone feels the pull of Chaos at some point, only takes a few to join up and make a warband. Like minded individuals gathering followers blind to their true intentions. Never know, Canoness has psychic aura able to bend the minds of others around them like that Chaos general in Kain's Last Stand where he had Battle Sisters fighting for him due to mind control.

Any Sister found to be developing psychic powers would be lucky if they were sent off to the black ships of the Inquisition.

Melissia wrote:


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Kurgash wrote:Everyone feels the pull of Chaos at some point, only takes a few to join up and make a warband. Like minded individuals gathering followers blind to their true intentions. Never know, Canoness has psychic aura able to bend the minds of others around them like that Chaos general in Kain's Last Stand where he had Battle Sisters fighting for him due to mind control.

Any Sister found to be developing psychic powers would be lucky if they were sent off to the black ships of the Inquisition.

You never know, not all psychic abilities are done through the mind. Maybe an orating speech, a rallying battle cry could hold more sway than intended...

Melissia wrote:Face it, Slaanesh is perverted. Slaanesh is the very concept of perversion. Slaanesh seduces, corrupts, violates, tortures, rapes, and every day tries to find newer more extreme kinks to get off on. This is the reason Slaanesh is never featured in any videogames. The most that he/she/it got out of them in the DoW games was a single line in DoW2's expansion, and in the WFB MMO, he/she/it only had a single enemy which was covered up and decried as unfluffy by most people who actually knew the background.

Perhaps so, but you're certainly approaching it from a rather one-dimentional perspective...

Consider the following: the Emporer's Children started their fall in the pursuit of perfection, which led to the chapter's corruption down avenues of physical modification and chemical use. They currently seek to find higher and higher means of neural stimulation through very primal, and really, rather simple means. Noise marines, for example, are generally sedate and jaded, needing the din of battle and the blasting volume and cacophony of their weapons to even stir them into interest. The use of riotous color schemes sparks the visual cortex, and, where the common humans aboard their ships at the start of the fall were reduced to a depraved orgy on the floor, the marines, themselves, descended into bloodthirsty madness.

Yes, Slaanesh is the god of lust and excess, but you seem to forget the excess part... as do a lot of people who've undergone the process of creating a corrupted SoB army. Self mutilation, loud colors, and other means of execution are often overlooked. Consider the Exorcist tank... this vehicle has so much potential for conversion into a rolling shrine to the prince of chaos, without the need for tentacles and surprise buttsex... it's a giant, rolling organ (no pun intended). add some greenstuff, and a few bits to bring it over into the realm of majestic but unsettling, and suddenly your giant pipe organ has turned into a tracked bringer of cacophony, rousing the fallen sisters into a frothing battle-rage, that they might lose themselves in the extacy and purity of their baser instincts, becoming psychotic sadomasochists, not seeking to "get off" on the pain and suffering caused in the heat of battle, but merely to elevate their otherwise over-stimulated sense of being to a point where they can actually shake off the apathy that sets in over time and realize the more primal, almost pseudosexual release to be found there.

Like I told one of the newer ork players when he started his most recent looting of a Skyray, "It's about function over form, though form does play a big role in your final execution."

A bit off topic, you say? Perhaps, but the concept still applies. Anyone can glue a bunch of extraneous bits to a vehicle and call it a looted wagon, but if you want to make it look good, you have to make it both believable and working within the aesthetic you're going for. This means that, while everyone works within the same general asymetrical basics, a good modeller will also consider their own stylistic standpoints within the aesthetic. In order to work within the realm of chaos and corruption, one must still consider the multifaceted nature of the chaos gods. Nurgle is both a creator of plague and filth as well as being portrayed as a loving, if twisted father figure. Khorne is the blood god, seeking the skulls and blood of all who tread within his sphere of influence, but also notes and rewards the prowess and martial power of his followers. The chaos gods are a symphony of duality, and if you can strike the proper balance, it'll take you a long way before you actually go astray within your given theme, and it just starts to look distasteful.

Perhaps you don't agree with me, and given that this is the internet, I know i'm not likely to change your views on the matter, but I just wanted to put out there that, despite the majority's penchant for S&M sisters and putrescent plague-carriers, there are still avenues that seem to go untouched that should still be considered before closing oneself off from actual discussion on the issue.

just my $.02...

^Truth.

I'd love to see tastefully executed excess, using sisters or otherwise. Someone had mentioned a lack of such things in another thread, which made me inclined to make my Slaanesh-following Chaos "Lord" (Lady) fully armored like the rest of my female Chaos Space Marines, but in a wonderful (albeit cliche) combination of Liche Purple and Shining Gold. And if I felt confident enough in sculpting, I'd also add on some fur coats or something. (I don't think real fur would work...) Or if I had some old necklaces lying around I'd put gold chains in various places.