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Æscholt wrote:

Vladsimpaler wrote:Mercenaries? That's a big one.

That's a faction I'd really like to see. "There is only war", and no-one's trying to make a few thrones off it?

They're called Rogue Traders. Just because they don't have a book, doesn't mean they don't exist.

i would say that the army GW is missing would be a beast army, full of beasts with a few HQs being the hunters who tame/controll the beasts.

Blitza da warboy wrote:i would say that the army GW is missing would be a beast army, full of beasts with a few HQs being the hunters who tame/controll the beasts.

No. Really, no.

I'm really not into the idea of heresy books... I can't even get my current SM army finished

Platuan4th wrote:

Æscholt wrote:

Vladsimpaler wrote:Mercenaries? That's a big one.

That's a faction I'd really like to see. "There is only war", and no-one's trying to make a few thrones off it?

They're called Rogue Traders. Just because they don't have a book, doesn't mean they don't exist.

Rogue Traders aren't the same thing as what I suggested though.

Rogue Traders are still part of the Imperial hierarchy and are given orders by the priesthood. Or I'm thinking 1st edition background, maybe they're just space pirates now.

Eldar Mercenaries and pirates, those guys were sweet. Or Adventurers. They don't really have an allegiance, they just go around trying to find artifacts and stuff like that. That would be fun.

There needs to be more of a seedy underbelly of 40k that just isn't fulfilled by the Dark Eldar, the DE still seem too uniform for the type of misfits and scum that mercenaries and pirates are.

They have not filled the template of THE HUMAN BANKERS who control automated weapons. They have no man power but make up for it with all that space cash

No but seriously, the mechanized army controlled by a rumored possibly non existent group.

OR

Matrix style, machines making machines.
(Necrons are ghost bound to bodies n such are diferent)

And it it existed this is the art work for the mech type i would like to see.

I got it what about a race that lands in buildings and use them a bunkers and looks like a slug!

A human mecha army would be kinda cool

Bring back the Knights!

Ooooh, a resurrection of the "Iron Men" from the Dark Age of Technology?

Henners91 wrote:Ooooh, a resurrection of the "Iron Men" from the Dark Age of Technology?

It's terminator all over again .

how about a race that is extrauniversal? a race that has the ability to miniaturize Red Giant stars down to the size of school backpacks and use them as power sources for well... everything

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:how about a race that is extrauniversal? a race that has the ability to miniaturize Red Giant stars down to the size of school backpacks and use them as power sources for well... everything

Doesn't really fit into the 40k genre, not grimdark enough

but it could be, a tech advanced race ruled over by humans with alien allies hell bent on destroying the imperium to take the galaxy for their empire? sounds grim dark to me

Vladsimpaler wrote:

Rogue Traders aren't the same thing as what I suggested though.

Rogue Traders are still part of the Imperial hierarchy and are given orders by the priesthood. Or I'm thinking 1st edition background, maybe they're just space pirates now.

Rogue Traders, even in 1st Edition Fluff, aren't part of Imperial Hierarchy. They're more akin to Privateers. They're individuals with independently owned ships that are given certain rights, privileges, and freedoms under their Letters of Marque(hence why they can trade, purchase, and sell alien technologies that are generally considered illegal contraband in Imperial space). Rogue Trader era fluff even stated that they hire private armies(NOT Imperial armies), including aliens and mercenaries.

There's a fine, nearly invisible, easily crossed line between pirate and privateer. Hell, most people considered "pirates" historically were actually legal privateers.

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:but it could be, a tech advanced race ruled over by humans with alien allies hell bent on destroying the imperium to take the galaxy for their empire? sounds grim dark to me

The interex?

i was thinkinking more advanced then that. miniaturized stars for power sources for guns, dark matter weapons, gravity weapons... i could go on

Platuan4th wrote:
Rogue Traders, even in 1st Edition Fluff, aren't part of Imperial Hierarchy. They're more akin to Privateers. They're individuals with independently owned ships that are given certain rights, privileges, and freedoms under their Letters of Marque(hence why they can trade, purchase, and sell alien technologies that are generally considered illegal contraband in Imperial space). Rogue Trader era fluff even stated that they hire private armies(NOT Imperial armies), including aliens and mercenaries.

Well some of them came from the Adeptus Terra and other positions of power. So in some ways they are part of it, in other ways, it's true they aren't exactly part of it either. Some of them are civilians.

Page 133 states that Rogue Traders are pretty trusted and are given a contingent of marines, a ship, and carte blanche to roam outside the domain of the Empire. It also states under their Retinue (pg 170) that they're given a company of Marines (this is surely out of date now!) and two companies of Imperial troops and vehicles, etc.

Though to be fair this is all out of date now. Codex: Rogue Trader would be pretty sweet though. You would have the Rogue Trader and then you could have all sorts of cool stuff to give him/her, and then you can get their retinue, and then anything else that they would command. That would be pretty fun.

Blitza da warboy wrote:i would say that the army GW is missing would be a beast army, full of beasts with a few HQs being the hunters who tame/controll the beasts.

Not really a sci-fi template, though. Or one that has any place fighting on even terms with the likes of the Imperial Guard.

Vladsimpaler wrote:Eldar Mercenaries and pirates, those guys were sweet. Or Adventurers. They don't really have an allegiance, they just go around trying to find artifacts and stuff like that. That would be fun.

There needs to be more of a seedy underbelly of 40k that just isn't fulfilled by the Dark Eldar, the DE still seem too uniform for the type of misfits and scum that mercenaries and pirates are.

This has more promise. An alliance of pirates of different races makes more sense than a group of mercenaries that will fight for more than one faction.

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:how about a race that is extrauniversal? a race that has the ability to miniaturize Red Giant stars down to the size of school backpacks and use them as power sources for well... everything

God no. Games Workshop at least tries to stick with the endearing sort of over-the-top. This is the wanky sort of over-the-top. On a technical note, miniaturise a red giant down to the size of a school backpack and you get a black hole three kilometers wide and the mass of a red giant.

A water based race (ala Mon Calimari)

What about a completely spirit race like the old fashion final fantasy spirits within?

I would love a race that is able to finish a task before it moves to a new one.

Lets get what we have finished and updated before we move to get more stuff.

Surtur wrote:A water based race (ala Mon Calimari)

The differences would mainly be aesthetic, and even then it may not be much if they use environmental suits while fighting on the surface/in deserts, but I like this suggestion.

kaidsin wrote:What about a completely spirit race like the old fashion final fantasy spirits within?

The Daemons already have the spirit side locked down, but a technological equivalent could work, something like a Wraith Necron Lord and retinue.

Space-cephalopods. Squid, octopus, cuttlefish, or nautiloid, I'm not picky.

I would love to see a Codex: Rogue Trooper that allowed one to field a mix of Powered Infantry (MEQ) and Regular Infantry (IG) with limited vehicle support and some just plain wacky command models and rare units.

Blitza da warboy wrote:i would say that the army GW is missing would be a beast army, full of beasts with a few HQs being the hunters who tame/controll the beasts.

What now: beast or cattle? Either untamed or tamed. Call the taming Hive mind controll and you know which army fills that niche.

How about a race of creatures which are all tentacles from one great space gribbly? That fire wind attacks for some reason?

well, we could always go with some real unique guys in clunky overpowered armour, - oh wait.

anyway, what about something more beastial? We have beasts on WHFB, but something like 'nids, but less niddy. [more human, I guess.]

Vladsimpaler wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:
Rogue Traders, even in 1st Edition Fluff, aren't part of Imperial Hierarchy. They're more akin to Privateers. They're individuals with independently owned ships that are given certain rights, privileges, and freedoms under their Letters of Marque(hence why they can trade, purchase, and sell alien technologies that are generally considered illegal contraband in Imperial space). Rogue Trader era fluff even stated that they hire private armies(NOT Imperial armies), including aliens and mercenaries.

Well some of them came from the Adeptus Terra and other positions of power. So in some ways they are part of it, in other ways, it's true they aren't exactly part of it either. Some of them are civilians.

Page 133 states that Rogue Traders are pretty trusted and are given a contingent of marines, a ship, and carte blanche to roam outside the domain of the Empire. It also states under their Retinue (pg 170) that they're given a company of Marines (this is surely out of date now!) and two companies of Imperial troops and vehicles, etc.

Though to be fair this is all out of date now. Codex: Rogue Trader would be pretty sweet though. You would have the Rogue Trader and then you could have all sorts of cool stuff to give him/her, and then you can get their retinue, and then anything else that they would command. That would be pretty fun.

Try reading Rogue Trader by FFG to get a more up to date look on Rogue Traders.

Captain Solon wrote:well, we could always go with some real unique guys in clunky overpowered armour, - oh wait.

anyway, what about something more beastial? We have beasts on WHFB, but something like 'nids, but less niddy. [more human, I guess.]

*cough* Kroot mercenaries *cough*

Seriously though folks, Kroot fill both the beast and mercenary aspects. Heck, they herd giant animals around AND have their very own "Kroot Mercenaries" army list...

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1180086_Tau_Datasheet_-_Kroot_Mercenaries.pdf

http://trobarts.customer.netspace.net.au/5th_ed_kroot_mercenaries_army_list_by_kompletely_kroot_V5.85.pdf

AlexHolker wrote:The thing is that you'd only be able to work for zero to one factions before everybody else decides to just shoot you on sight.

You could find quite a bit of work just within the Imperium. Or defect to the Tau, they'd probably be glad of some help. Or Eldar, they would probably be willing to employ a group of greedy Mon'keigh to further their own ends.

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:As for Lizardmen just sitting around hitting things with sticks that is far from the truth considering the Lizardmen are THE oldest race in the Warhammer world, that armies of saurus have wiped out entire species, prevented the world from being over run by Chaos both directly and indirectly and that the Slaan have enough power to completly move the continents of the world I'd say they're a little more than just lizards sitting in a swamp hitting things with sticks.

Well for one thing, that's in the WHFB universe, not the 40K one. And even in that universe, where has all their power got them? They hang around in the damp forests of Lustria (swamps) using primitive weapons due to a lack of metal (hitting things with sticks). And they do pretty much the same thing in 40K, at least according to Codex: Necrons.

Henners91 wrote:@Æscholt
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Hrud
Remembered who they were when I looked at the list of Xenos on Lexicanum:
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Sentient_Species
Probably wouldn't make much of an army though, now that I've refreshed my memory...

The Hrud have an entropic field? Interesting, although I can't decide if that reinforces or goes against the idea of them being Space Skaven. Hrud also use "warp-plasma" based technology, which sort of fits with warpstone. But then again, Xenology attempted to debunk the "space rats" thing. Ah well, a man can still dream...

Platuan4th wrote:They're called Rogue Traders. Just because they don't have a book, doesn't mean they don't exist.

Rogue Traders aren't the same as mercenaries. They're explorers and merchants, seeking out new world for the Imperium and summarily exploiting them.
A rogue trader might hire mercenaries, but as it stand they're not a tabletop faction.

Vladsimpaler wrote:Codex: Rogue Trader would be pretty sweet though. You would have the Rogue Trader and then you could have all sorts of cool stuff to give him/her, and then you can get their retinue, and then anything else that they would command. That would be pretty fun.

Pretty fun indeed. Putting together a rag-tag force of humans, abhumans and aliens under the command of Rogue Trader is my next project, after I get my marines into a playable force. It'd take a great deal of opponents consent to use, but should be fun.

kaidsin wrote:What about a completely spirit race like the old fashion final fantasy spirits within?

'Old fashion'? It's came out less than a decade ago!

agnosto wrote:Seriously though folks, Kroot fill both the beast and mercenary aspects. Heck, they herd giant animals around AND have their very own "Kroot Mercenaries" army list...
http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1180086_Tau_Datasheet_-_Kroot_Mercenaries.pdf
http://trobarts.customer.netspace.net.au/5th_ed_kroot_mercenaries_army_list_by_kompletely_kroot_V5.85.pdf

That's an apocalypse datasheet and a fandex. GW no longer support the original Kroot Mercenaries list, although you can download it from an archive site here if you're interested. It's in no way tournament legal.