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The "Necrons in January 2011" was a spitballing estimate I put out months ago when there were three Necron novels scheduled to be released in December.

It's down to "Dead Men Walking" alone in December of this year, which features Death Korps of Krieg fighting Necrons and the other two Necron included novels are pushed back to December 2011.

wooooooooooooooo *continue for 5 million more o's*t!

Tau tau tau tau tau! did i say tau?

Having just finished assembling and painting 30 Immortals, I can safely say they must go plastic.

I don't think the Warriors and Destroyers need to be changed (apart from the heavy Destroyers awful metal gauss cannon). If the rumours are true that Immortals will move to a termie size base (40mm?), I think the destroyers body would be a good size for this, just need some thicker legs. The spine and head are also seperate parts making it easy to become the basic larger body of Destroyers, Heavy destroyers, Destroyer Lords, Lords, and Immortals, perhaps even plastic Pariahs....

As for Pariahs, they really need to be made into Necrons to have any utility, and either get a lot better stat wise or a lot cheaper. No one takes them who has Immortals, and its a shame because they could be such a cool unit.

I think an opened topped Kroot vehicle would be pretty interesting.

Something like their Warsphere, they made that so the should be able to make something for the ground.

I’m not sure what it would look like not an open-topped sphere though they'd fall out!

What'd be awesome is some kind of chunky column shaped vehicle with a wheel at each end open in the middle for Kroot assault troops to jump out. This is purely me fantasising though


As for the necron I reckon they should give guass weapons the rending and lance special rules.

That way they'd still be able to get through most armour, still probably make them overpowered at their current point cost.

I hope they changed the C'tan item entirely, the avatar idea is quite nice. To me having the C'tan playable in regular games while none of the other factions can use theirs comes off as they are incredibly weak for 'gods'. Playing a daemons army your playing against the tiniest fraction of Khorne/Nurgle/Slaanesh/Tzeentch's power, yet against the crons your fighting the god itself and if you end up dropping multiple blasts onto its head then its just dead. Not very good from a fluff perspective imo.

Fingers are crossed for Demiurg allies for Tau. That would be enough motivation for me to start a Tau army... not that I need even more dwarfs than is in my whfb army but still. Some very interesting rumors to be sure, I just hope that C: DA gets released sometime in the midst of all the xeno releases.

i Really hope they bring the new Ctan in, special character necrons just wouldnt make sence.. The ctan though should probably be more powerful.. actually to be honest they could be the same just with a much better save.. (like2+ invun) now i know that sounds OP but who the hell fights necrons and targets the Ctan instead of phasing them.. really..

As mentioned the Ctan are gods and thus should represent them on the battlefield as being Above all others.

Sooo tau are going more the Halo Covanant route? Id like to see that. Think any assualt troops outside of kroot or some other more physically intimidating xenos is just going to me stupid and out of place in both tau fluff and the tradition of how the army has always been played. Really Farsight is the only tau in the whole army thats has and CC ability besides kroot, I like my tau shooty and my kroot assualty. Keep it that way. But maybe Im old fashioned.

I could live the the rest of the rumors.

Though I dont see why they need new destroyers or to even redesign the immortals for that matter. just make the immortals plastic give them cool poses and leave everything as is. DESTOYERS LOOK GREAT! save urself some money GW.

ssREV wrote:An assault vehicle? That's completely contrary to the tau ideologies. An immobile deep striking weapons platform also seems a bit out of place in the tau arsenal. Drop ship doesn't really appeal to me.

I think/hope these rumours are false.

I don't know...imagine Kroot leaping out of an open topped skimmer and assaulting something.

I doubt there is a Tau player (except maybe farsight players...) who would jump at that 'close combat' specialist firewarrior for an elites spot. They'd have to have power weapons or something, because with +1 WS and I they are still the equal of Guardsmen...unless they mean suits and that gets more interesting, especially if you can upgrade a team to 'Vres (which you should be able to do...at least with Farsight lists....)

Seven new allies? I don't know about that. While I do hope that Tau get maybe a new ally, I'd rather they just fix the ones that are there (vespids and Kroot). Really, all I think Kroot need is I 4 for the carnivores (they are supposed to be THE close combat element of the army...and are giant birdmen, they might as well hit at the same time as marines) and the stealth USR added to them-been playing them with stealth here lately and it works out well. Maybe some of that noise from the kroot codex to make the shapers more...attractive. I'd love plastic vespid, and if taking a Krootox didn't nullify their inherent infiltration ability, then I'd even take one or two of them.

plastictrees wrote:

Cadaver wrote: I'd like them to really expand to a larger alliance of various races. The idea of a conglomerate of races, with new races being introduced without themselves requiring a full army is really cool and adds some depth to the 40k universe, IMO. The lesser races have never really been explored and I think the Tau are are perfect faction to do just that.

This seems like such a no-brainer to me. I really don't understand why so far we've only managed Kroot and some less than inspired bug guys. (Although, honestly, I kind of like the bug guys design, just not the boring sculpts.)
I want to see weird ass lizard guys with sonic weapons, and some kind of sentient rock people, and...basically I want the Tau to be somewhere between Infinity's Combined Army and the Green Lantern Corps.

Heck yeah, Federation meets the Covenant The only way I'd ever do a Farsight list is if I could model Kroot into Covenant Elites and take them as Count-as Firewarriors.

Has anybody figured out what the guy means regarding the suits "Pick 2 weapons and a skill"? Like, pick a plasma rifle and a missle pod and a target array? Or pick a plasma rifle a missle pod and tank hunters or something?

Some updates by Stickmonkey, now including a tidbit about a just begun Space Marine kit. I updated the first post and title.

Its a sure bet that any hybrid kits will disappear, just like are other armies. My guess is if the broad side suits get a plastic sprue for the rail guns, it will be the same sprue that appears in the "support platform."

Very early morning here, but I did already hear back on the assault vehicle.

Yes, its assault after a flat out move, and has the "drop troops along path" option similar to the storm raven. its supposedly a dedicated transport option for one new unit. (I dont place faith in this last bit, its very rare in current GW systems to see a vehicle kit limited to one unit/role...if GW is trying to sell them they will be available to more than one unit, or be a separate entry unto itself.)

Another interesting rumor that I got back was a new SM kit has been started...similar to the sm captain plastic kit, a SM librarian/chaplain character box. This makes a lot of sense as the existing line of generic librarians/chaplains fail to encompass many of the wargear options in the marine codexes. I see this as a very real possibility, but its a very raw rumor, so it could be a long ways off yet. And instead of a 10 metal blister they can sell a 15-20 box of plastic.

Jackmojo wrote:I kinda dig the idea of an air-droppable firebase, I wonder if it will act as a bunker for Firewarriors or anything as well.

Jack

Now that would be stylish as hell, if it worked like a reverse Drop Pod. The Instant Bastion falls from the sky and a nearby squad of Fire Warriors dashes inside to hole up for extra protection and pew-pew out the fire slits. If you gave them a rule similar to Drop Pod Assault, they could lead to a lot of creative tactics involving setting up firelanes on your first turn, and then having a few extra in reserve to stick wherever you needed some extra hardness and to protect your warriors... I like it, it's very futuristic and very Tau.

Always love your rumour posts m8 they give me hopes for the future and especially now that there are a lot of Tau rumours....cheers bud

I like the idea of the assault skimmer and I agree that it would fit nicely with a demiurg force since, if the rumor is true, is limited to one specific unit.

Not sure about the drop bunker, in current fluff perspective, because it's against the whole tau philosophy of "stick and git" (hit and run for those worthy individuals from non-redneck states/countries).

The rumors regarding the volume of Tau alien auxiliaries claim there will be 7... I'm inclined not to believe this. That'd be 5 new ones, and unless that were all that was being done I'd be sceptical. Previously with the Tau GW experimented with the Demiurge as well as a couple other races. I'm generally more inclined to believe that GW came up with some more which they'll have play tested down to a smaller selection.

Kroothawk wrote:

...lYes, its assault after a flat out move, and has the "drop troops along path" option similar to the
storm raven. its supposedly a dedicated transport option for one new unit. (I dont place faith in this last bit, its very rare in current GW systems to see a vehicle kit limited to one unit/role...if GW is trying to sell them they will be available to more than one unit, or be a separate entry unto itself.)

Its more likely to be a vehicle that can be taken as a fast attack choice or a dedicated transport for this particular unit. Other wise it could be like the Landspeeder Storm and be a relatively small vehicle.

The assault vehicle rumor has piqued my interest. As for new Battlesuits, what would next Generation suits entail? Obviously a new army book, but what would they have that would make them better? Higher BS or Armor save? New weapons?

I would welcome a cc unit and an assault skimmer. The Tau might not like cc very much, that doesn't mean their allies can't. I see the Tau as being similar to the old Roman system. They had a very specific way of utilizing their formations and tactics, but their auxiliaries, practiced different forms of warfare based on the geography and culture that they came from. Many of these excelled at a very specific style or method that the Romans themselves did not. Similarly, the Tau recruit auxiliaries to fulfill specific roles, I cannot imagine them not having encountered a xenos species that isn't about cc...

...personally, I hope that GW embraces the Halo influences a bit more and gives us a paired MC combat unit ala Hunters.

As for the drop bunker, I have mixed feelings. The Tau are said to have a distaste for sieges/defensive fortifications, but its never really been clear what exactly that means, to what extent they avoid it, and how such an air-dropped fortification would fit into all this.

I agree with those who mentioned that maybe the assault vehicle will be for kroot. Weather a warsphere or something the tau made for them. Certainly pumped for 2-7 new alien allies and possible new battle suits. Unfortunately all these rumours make me want to put my Tau projects on the shelf for now and wait for all the new stuff. I guess I'll have to actually finish building my Ork army, at least until something else distracts me...

Kroothawk wrote:Some updates by Stickmonkey, now including a tidbit about a just begun Space Marine kit. I updated the first post and title.

Its a sure bet that any hybrid kits will disappear, just like are other armies. My guess is if the broad side suits get a plastic sprue for the rail guns, it will be the same sprue that appears in the "support platform."

Very early morning here, but I did already hear back on the assault vehicle.

Yes, its assault after a flat out move, and has the "drop troops along path" option similar to the storm raven. its supposedly a dedicated transport option for one new unit. (I dont place faith in this last bit, its very rare in current GW systems to see a vehicle kit limited to one unit/role...if GW is trying to sell them they will be available to more than one unit, or be a separate entry unto itself.)

Another interesting rumor that I got back was a new SM kit has been started...similar to the sm captain plastic kit, a SM librarian/chaplain character box. This makes a lot of sense as the existing line of generic librarians/chaplains fail to encompass many of the wargear options in the marine codexes. I see this as a very real possibility, but its a very raw rumor, so it could be a long ways off yet. And instead of a 10 metal blister they can sell a 15-20 box of plastic.

Now that box should contain quite a few interesting options indeed!

Thanks for posting!

Yeah, that SM rumour makes sense. I could never understand why there wasn't a chaplain plastic kit. They have so many options.

Librarian kit would make sense only if they have a helmeted guy option. I'm tired of painting flesh.

Samus_aran115 wrote:Yeah, that SM rumour makes sense. I could never understand why there wasn't a chaplain plastic kit. They have so many options.

Librarian kit would make sense only if they have a helmeted guy option. I'm tired of painting flesh.

But maybe the helmet hurts is psychic mind brain!? =p

But yes, I agree with you, I also much prefer the unified look of helmeted marines. Plus in the Black Library books Marines constantly complain when they have no helmet. Or in fact any other part of their armour. (See the 3rd Ultrasmurf book)

Oshova

Oshova wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:Yeah, that SM rumour makes sense. I could never understand why there wasn't a chaplain plastic kit. They have so many options.

Librarian kit would make sense only if they have a helmeted guy option. I'm tired of painting flesh.

But maybe the helmet hurts is psychic mind brain!? =p

But yes, I agree with you, I also much prefer the unified look of helmeted marines. Plus in the Black Library books Marines constantly complain when they have no helmet. Or in fact any other part of their armour. (See the 3rd Ultrasmurf book)

Oshova

I've read that one The same with 'a thousand sons'. The sons laugh at the wolves for not wearing helmets. So do I!

I haven't read the librarian article, but can't they take bikes?

Indeed they can take bikes . . . which would be against Health and Safety to ride without a helmet . . . whereas chargin across a battlefield without one is perfectly fin . . .

Oshova

Seeing as GW releases about 3 codexes every year (if we're lucky). Does it seem like the order for 2011 codeci will be:

Demonhunters: Jan.?
Necrons: April - May?
SM (some version): Sept.- Oct.?

Any hint as to what kinda of SM army? BTs are older as far needing a new codex but I'd prefer DA, which seem sorely need to be updated, but I'm slightly biased since I run those slobs. Why does it seem I only like the armies that they seem to always release last in the codex schedule? :/ At least I'll look forward to seeing what Demonhunters come up with, they really need some new unit variation even though the old metal Termies are super cool.

Oops, lol, I almost forgot what I originally wanted to post about Tau. More aliens for Tau to incorporate would be cool and very fluffy as well as it makes sense that they would assimilate more aliens into their army. Here's hoping they make flamer/melta lizards from Fantasy with some high tech guns, like Orks but with better shooting. I was thinking like a Kroot giant spiky Krootox MC for their assault tank that had like a hoodah that the Kroot could shoot and/or disembark/assault off of like an open topped vehicle. Kinda keeps them more in line with using bio beasts for battle and transport.

What did we get again? Tyranids, blood angels and '???'....Dark eldar for sure. Come to think of it, I doubt we'll get a release so early after DE, so I'd expect around february for the first of the new year.

These rumors sounds great! Deep codexes for all! That is what the game needs. Deep codexes with multiple valid options in each FOC slot.

I am liking the sounds of this. I always thought Tau needed a close combat suit besides Farsight. It would look ace and fills a gap that the Kroot struggle with currently.

Necrons have so much potential. Here's to hoping they become as powerful as they were in 4th ed again.

Commie ninjas?

Ratbarf wrote:Commie ninjas?

What's not to like?

Oshova

The rumors here in this topic seem more substantial than anything in the Dark Eldar rumor thread even though Tau are months to a year away at best while Dark Eldar release is imminent. I just unsubscribed to the Dark Eldar thread as it's out of anything useful already, but this one might be good to watch for a little bit longer.

Thats because 90% of the rumors in this thread are either made up/conjecture or come from early versions of the revision and are poorly indicative of what we will actually get. This is how all rumors work.

BrassScorpion wrote:The rumors here in this topic seem more substantial than anything in the Dark Eldar rumor thread even though Tau are months to a year away at best while Dark Eldar release is imminent. I just unsubscribed to the Dark Eldar thread as it's out of anything useful already, but this one might be good to watch for a little bit longer.

Just sit back and relax, before you know it people will be saying how disappointing the new Necron/Tau/whatever are, how a twelve year old could do better, and GW really dropped the ball on this one. Sunrise, sunset.

chaos0xomega wrote:
As for the drop bunker, I have mixed feelings. The Tau are said to have a distaste for sieges/defensive fortifications, but its never really been clear what exactly that means, to what extent they avoid it, and how such an air-dropped fortification would fit into all this.

It being a bunker is all conjecture from me, but I find I rather like the idea (and it does have some halo-y feel to it with those deployed covenant floaty gun platforms).

Even though Tau dislike fixed warfare I can rather see the logic of some fast to deploy emplacements fitting in with their tactical view; units being encircled fort them up while you build up a counter attack; luring the enemy into a trap, drop in some bunkers to close them in, etc...

Plus bunkers for firewarriors (that they can shoot from) fills a mech-like niche in a way no other army addresses it, which appeals to me with shiny newness

Jack