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Which was an action by a rogue inquisitor that was opposed by the Inquisition and the Imperium's High Lords.

Ya, well it worked.

Yes. But that doesn't mean it was necessary.

We'll I'm glad you can rest easy in the face of the Tyranic threat.
We're all gonna die!

The Tyranids can and have been pushed back in the past without the sacrifice of 200 worlds.

The sacrifice of merely a single company in a chapter of Space MArines is insignifigant compared to the resources of 200 Imperial worlds.

Yeah the Nids would just eat everything. EVERYETHING.

space_elf5996 wrote:Yeah the Nids would just eat everything. EVERYETHING.

Sure, that's why they're locked in stalemate with just one Ork empire. Bring 'em on!

Well orks are up there too, they kill everything living and on edead ork means 50 reproduced orks, they're mushrooms

Ichar IV shows the danger of having your planet infiltrated by just a single brood of genestealers.

The most dangerous aspect of a large scale Tyranid invasion in The Shadow of the warp effect. The enitre Imperium is set up so that the harder you stab at it the harder it resists. The Hive mind's Shadow effect nullifies The Imperiums most basic survival technique because it isolates all attacked worlds.

Also the Tyranid are attacking from below the galactic plane and heading towards earth itself because of the Astronomicon.

Basically, we're all gonna get eaten.


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Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:

space_elf5996 wrote:Yeah the Nids would just eat everything. EVERYETHING.

Sure, that's why they're locked in stalemate with just one Ork empire. Bring 'em on!

That's just one hivefleet of many.

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:Sure, that's why they're locked in stalemate with just one Ork empire. Bring 'em on!

The Tyranid codex doesn't call it a stalemate--the Tyranids have outpaced the Orks.
"The Tyranids show no signs of stopping. Despite the machinations of Kryptman and the ferocity of the Orks, the Tyranids were not only surviving the Octarius War, they were thriving in it."

kirsanth wrote:

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:Sure, that's why they're locked in stalemate with just one Ork empire. Bring 'em on!

The Tyranid codex doesn't call it a stalemate--the Tyranids have outpaced the Orks.
"The Tyranids show no signs of stopping. Despite the machinations of Kryptman and the ferocity of the Orks, the Tyranids were not only surviving the Octarius War, they were thriving in it."

That redirection by Kryptman was his worse idea ever. They will emerge bigger and stronger than ever. Hence the "Thriving".

KamikazeCanuck wrote:That's just one hivefleet of many.

... and it's just one Ork empire of an uncounted race that is more populous than any other race in the milky way.

Orks, Tyranids, or Necrons

Assuming you take GW maps as cannon, the Tyranids are going to consume the whole galaxy. A few necrons may survive here and there, but that's pretty much it.

If you think otherwise after looking at a map of the 40k galaxy, you are vastly underestimating what the scale of the hive fleets means.

Not really. It's up to interpretation.

Orks still populate more of the galaxy than Tyranids do, but more importantly, it does not tell us the density of those hive fleets, or if they're in a single wave or a stream. It could merely be that what is shown is the path, complete with debris, not that the whole thing is the hive.

The thing is though, bacterial tyranids could just eat the ork spores.

Melissia wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:That's just one hivefleet of many.

... and it's just one Ork empire of an uncounted race that is more populous than any other race in the milky way.

of which 99% of their battles are against their own kind.


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Melissia wrote:Not really. It's up to interpretation.

Orks still populate more of the galaxy than Tyranids do, but more importantly, it does not tell us the density of those hive fleets, or if they're in a single wave or a stream. It could merely be that what is shown is the path, complete with debris, not that the whole thing is the hive.

Exactly Tyranid don't occupy or maintain empires. They simply consume, reload and move on.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:of which 99% of their battles are against their own kind.

Exactly Tyranid don't occupy or maintain empires. They simply consume, reload and move on.

1: Which means they never get out of practice and they're never unready for battle, because they're ALWAYS fighting.

2: Which is why tyranids are weak. Break their backs and they can never really recover.

Break the Orks? They'll be back. Ther's not even a guarantee that Tyranids consuming a planet will destroy all Ork spores, as some of them go rather deep underground.

Jokorey wrote:Assuming you take GW maps as cannon, the Tyranids are going to consume the whole galaxy. A few necrons may survive here and there, but that's pretty much it.

If you think otherwise after looking at a map of the 40k galaxy, you are vastly underestimating what the scale of the hive fleets means.

This isn't quite correct. No one knows exactly how many Nids are out there, just that the Hive Fleets so far are but a portion of their strength. So, while it's true they haven't committed the greater part of the numbers into attacking the galaxy, we also don't know how many more Hive Fleets they can spare to burn. It could be 1000 Hive Fleets, could be 100.

Eldar: Not Likely, survival is the best they can hope for and that won't be forever.

Dark Eldar: They NEED to continue raids as I'm sure Commoragh lacks even the most basic forms of sustenance for a population of any sort (Food, water ect). Unless some sort of daring crusade or Hive Fleet somehow finds its way into the Webway completely by accident then Dark Eldars chances of survival aren't terrible.

Tau: Most likely steamrolled by one superpower or another.

Chaos: Difficult, so long as the Imperium survives its likely that there will always be traitors. The Traitor Legions may soon expend themselves though.

Orks: Hard to eradicate, at least for most races bar Necrons and Nids. Their strength is their own weakness however, and will never emerge to be the dominate race in the galaxy due to infighting.

Necrons: A non-factor. They are designed to harvest life force. With the Nids, Imperium and Orks duking it out there won't be much left at the end of it all. Necrons may very well decide it's time to slumber again. They aren't exactly opportunists.

Ultimately I think that it will come down to a match up between what's left of the Imperium and what's left of the Tyranids. If they get to a point where the Tyranids simply can't expend any more energy in taking over planets (and getting minimal biomass in return) then buggering off may very well be their only option. That or we experience dozens of Hive Fleet splinters breaking up and deciding to stick around the Milky Way for a while. No doubt the Imperium would by this time be shattered, perhaps even non-existent, but that still makes them the only race really capable of becoming the truly dominant force in the galaxy. At the end though, they may just be weak enough for the Dark Eldar to prey upon at whim.

side note:
Terra's fall is extremely unlikely, even less likely than during the Horus Heresy. If word reached the rest of the Imperium that some sort of Waaagh or Hive Fleet was on the doorstep of the Cradle of Mankind the reaction would be unprecendent. Worlds would be conscripted, every Crusade or active warzone would be abandoned, even PDF would be pressed into service and sent on transports. No doubt almost EVERY sinlge Astartes Chapter would send a huge amount of their own forces. The Imperial Fleets would make full speed for the trouble zone, abandoning thier usual routes in their desperation to protect the beating heart of the Imperium. Sure, they would leave a lot of the Imperium utterly defenceless, but you would have to have smashed your way through a great part of the Imperium anyway to get this close. And when you did reach Terra, you would literally have to go through the greater portion of Mankind to get to the Emperor's Throne Room. I don't see it happening. Not from anybody.

Emperors Faithful wrote:Orks: Hard to eradicate, at least for most races bar Necrons and Nids. Their strength is their own weakness however, and will never emerge to be the dominate race in the galaxy due to infighting.

... except, of course, that they already are the dominant race in the galaxy.

Melissia wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:Orks: Hard to eradicate, at least for most races bar Necrons and Nids. Their strength is their own weakness however, and will never emerge to be the dominate race in the galaxy due to infighting.

... except, of course, that they already are the dominant race in the galaxy.

They are not dominant, only populous. There is a difference.

Emperors Faithful wrote:

Melissia wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:Orks: Hard to eradicate, at least for most races bar Necrons and Nids. Their strength is their own weakness however, and will never emerge to be the dominate race in the galaxy due to infighting.

... except, of course, that they already are the dominant race in the galaxy.

They are not dominant, only populous. There is a difference.

Define dominant then.

Orks control the most planets.
Orks populate the most planets.
Orks have, collectively, the highest military strength of any faction.

It is only their overwhelming desire for war that stops them from quickly dominating the entire galaxy and wiping everyone else out. This is also their strength, as they aren't ever unready.

IT WILL BE THE MASTER RACE.

I think it will be thw dark eldar, as they can just hide in the webway and wait for everyone else to pass them by.

Unless Daemons find a way in there.

Which they have done in the past, forcing the Eldar to close off certain sections.

Melissia wrote:Define dominant then.

Orks control the most planets.

Woah, doesn't actually say that they control every planet that they live on. There are plenty of Imperial planets where Ork infestations are a problem.

Orks populate the most planets.
Orks have, collectively, the highest military strength of any faction.

Yes, but these orks aren't on the same side. The Imperium is.

It is only their overwhelming desire for war that stops them from quickly dominating the entire galaxy and wiping everyone else out. This is also their strength, as they aren't ever unready.

You just said it yourself? I never said they were unready, I said they aren't capable of galactic domination. Attacking orks possibly means uniting them. Never a good idea.

As long as the C'tan exist . . and lets face it, one will be left standing. . . There will be no stopping them. They have erased life in the galaxy once before, they can do it again.

By quickly dominating I meant completely obliterating. If Orks aren't the dominant race in 40k, then there is none.

Melissia wrote:Unless Daemons find a way in there.

Which they have done in the past, forcing the Eldar to close off certain sections.

through eldar pyskers i believe, the DE don't have any.

Melissia wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:of which 99% of their battles are against their own kind.

Exactly Tyranid don't occupy or maintain empires. They simply consume, reload and move on.

1: Which means they never get out of practice and they're never unready for battle, because they're ALWAYS fighting.

2: Which is why tyranids are weak. Break their backs and they can never really recover.

Break the Orks? They'll be back. Ther's not even a guarantee that Tyranids consuming a planet will destroy all Ork spores, as some of them go rather deep underground.

How do you break that which knows no fear?

Well if we are going by sheer fluff, not by codex, then it;s hard to call. Necrons are up there, If there are more world engines then it's by by everybody, and the CTan are nigh unstoppable. Also add in that there are 2 more Ctan and it gets interesting. Imperium's biggest problem is that the C'tan called the Void Dragon is apparently sleeping on Mars, and if it comes with Necrons it will wipe out the heart of the imperium before the sluggish thing can respond.