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Ailaros wrote:I hate to say it, but I'm actually going with the imperium.

The reason is twofold. Firstly, they reproduce. This means that races like eldar and necron are ultimately doomed to failure.

Secondly, they exist to survive. Other races exist to fight and destroy. Orks, for example, reproduce quickly, but once they hit a certain critical mass, they automatically engulf themselves in civil war. Ultimately, they have their own population control. Likewise, while the tyranid are voracious, etc, everything is always fighting with each other in a malthusian nightmare. Plus, once the hive fleets are snuffed out, that's it. No more bugs.

The imperium as an institution may not last indefinitely, but humanity I think will be the ultimate victor. It has both the ability to reproduce and expand endlessly while simultaneously being able to organize themselves peacefully in order to multiply their power. The only reason they don't horribly dominate is because THE ENTIRE GALAXY is aligned against them.

As for tau, well, lol. No.

This.

NagothDaCleaver wrote:Ork Spore is almost impossible to remove from a planet. The more Orks you kill the more Orks will grow in that spot later.

from the Lexicanum:

The Lexicanum wrote:
Orks have not only survived, they have prospered and are more numerous than humanity. This at least is due in part to how they reproduce. Orks reproduce through the release of spores, which grow into a plant-like womb underground that nourishes the bodies of the various Orkoid species. This is the entire basis of the Orkoid ecosystem, producing first Squigs, then Snotlings who cultivate the Squigs and fungus, then Gretchin to build the settlements, and finally the Orks themselves. This means the Orks, where ever they go, will have an abundance of food, slaves and other resources, a moving ecosystem that supports them as they go on their Waaagh!s

This also makes it extremely difficult to rid a planet of Orks, even if the initial invasion is defeated. Orks release spores thought their lives, but release them particularly at the moment of death. Without a nearby population of Orks, the fungus will eventually start the Ork life cycle anew. Decades after weathering an Ork Waaagh! settlements on a planet can find themselves faced with an unexpected attack from Feral Ork tribes coming out of the wilderness.

So... as I said... There will always be Orks.

The only race known to effectively defeat the orks are the eldar who have developed the nightspinner to utterly destoy them and their spores.

Orkz baby, pure and simple.

What?! They are the heroes, the space marines are the poster boys there bound to win.
i meant anyone could cultivate them, the grot and stuff could be used for workers, and just not let spore start growing into orks.

'Orks release fungal spores, which grow into a plant-like womb underground that nourishes the bodies of the various Orkoid species. This is the entire basis of the Orkoid ecosystem, producing first Squigs, then Snotlings who cultivate the Squigs and the fungus they feed on, then Gretchin to build the settlements, and finally the Orks themselves.'

Taken from; http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Orks

Pretty sure that Necrons could take out orks, wouldn't be the first time they needed to wipe out life on planets down to the bacterial level.

j-baass wrote:What?! They are the heroes, the space marines are the poster boys there bound to win.

Well ever since the last Chaos Space marine codex, it seems Space Marines will switch sides (go renegade) at the drop of a hat... so they're not exactly the poster boys of perfection.

And as for Humanity, who are your "Heroes", they are a totally Xenophobic, totalitarian and Theocratic society that single handedly keeps the Chaos gods as powerful as they are.

Yes, we are human and they are human and any win for them is considered a win for us... the Imperium of man is by no means a "good" institution.

The one "good thing" humanity has done for the Galaxy is keeping the Tyranids from rolling right though it and devouring everything.
But then who know what kind of defenses we would have against galactic threats like the Tyranids and Necrons if all of the nonhostile Xenos races Mankind destroyed were still around to fight them... but I guess that's not what this thread is about so I digress.

Nids will eventualy consume the Galexcy like they have done to un known thousands before them. Then they will move onto the next galaxcy. So do they really count, thier more like a force of nature than concerurs.

The necrons would ofcourse be left as why would the tyranids eat metal? Doesn't taste good. I dont think the tyranids would manage to ravige every world however and sods law would mean there would mean some greenskins would be on it, or some orcs wondering around in a ship someonere.

Unlike other races who would eventualy die out from inbreeding, it only takes one orc to start the race again.

NagothDaCleaver wrote:

j-baass wrote:What?! They are the heroes, the space marines are the poster boys there bound to win.

Well ever since the last Chaos Space marine codex, it seems Space Marines will switch sides (go renegade) at the drop of a hat... so they're not exactly the poster boys of perfection.

And as for Humanity, who are your "Heroes", they are a totally Xenophobic, totalitarian and Theocratic society that single handedly keeps the Chaos gods as powerful as they are.

Yes, we are human and they are human and any win for them is considered a win for us... the Imperium of man is by no means a "good" institution.

The one "good thing" humanity has done for the Galaxy is keeping the Tyranids from rolling right though it and devouring everything.
But then who know what kind of defenses we would have against galactic threats like the Tyranids and Necrons if all of the nonhostile Xenos races Mankind destroyed were still around to fight them... but I guess that's not what this thread is about so I digress.

Ok, you might have me with that, there not the good guys. but i'm pretty sure if there was some epic ending, all the gamers would come and play the last battle for ownership of the galaxy i'm sure there would be so many space marines, so many people play them and it would be a fitting end to the story (if there ever was one). if the writers as well wrote an ending i'm sure it would have the imperium for the win. it's only a matter of time before the emperor comes back around anyway, i reckon the imperium could hold them off for long enough, and when he's back everything would change, the emperor and all the kick ass primarchs (not the dead ones of course) would come back and save the day!
i mean orks, nids and necrons are most likely to win, but with these sort of stories the under dogs win.

Tyranids. Because they eat everything. The only race that might stand a chance would be the necrons, cause they are metal. But aren't they limited in number? The tyranids could just overwhelm them and but them in a biological prison.

Eftz3 wrote:Tyranids. Because they eat everything. The only race that might stand a chance would be the necrons, cause they are metal. But aren't they limited in number? The tyranids could just overwhelm them and but them in a biological prison.

The limited in number thing is kind of up for debate.

At this point Necron lore is so sparse we don't know how many tomb worlds are active, how many are destroyed or ruined, or how many are left to wake up.

However, as said before, the Necrons have shown through Pariahs they can create a new line of Necrons. Maybe they're a little different but even if all the Warriors/Destroyers/Flayed Ones are destroyed you will still have the C'tan. I don't really remember one C'tan being completely eliminated by anything short of another C'tan or Old One. They can be killed but they don't stay that way.

I will always believe that in the end the Tyranids lose or move on and the Necrons just farm Orkz for food.

Everyone forgets tyranids need biomass if they use it all against the necrons they will only be able to send out pitiful gaunts, happened right in their codex aswell

You can release all the spores you want, it'll just give the Tyranids more biomass. When Tyranids invade a world, they consume every last scrap of living matter. Every last scrap. Then they drink the oceans and absorb the atmosphere.

SO PUT DAT IN YA PIPE AN' SMOKE IT!

CRON'S DON'T NEED AN ATMOSPHERE !!


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Tyranids by far. It even says in their introductory bio on the Games Workshop site that they live to eradicate all other beings, so their general goal is to destroy everyone else. Plus giants hordes like that almost always overrun planets, like in Aliens (the movie) and Starcraft.

My alliance is to the Tau Empire. We're only growing and making more powerful weapons all in the name of the Greater Good. PEACE!

k guys lets reaaaaaly think about this.

what is the one thing that can never ever happen?

the death of a star god, sure the elday have trapped one, but the ctan can never really die.. im pretty sure theres some fluff somewhere that sais all the ctan that the nightbringer ate are in some kind on marcoverse still living inside the nightbringer, so even if you kill the nightbringer then all the other ctan pop out and boom bigger issue.

the ctan arnt going to sit around and let their precious necrons get their asses kicked, the necrons are the ctan's bringers of energy etc, so even if one of the other armies/factions/gods finally does beat everyone else up the ctan are going to butcher them, im not really bothered who they are theyre gonna get their asses whooped,

oh and it sais that nids eat EVERYTHING even metals, so the necrons would be a target, nids are alive = necron target, nids> necrons so they kick but for a while but then the ctan jump in and ctan=nid^infinty so goodbye universe, the only hope for the galaxy is the eldar hiding and coming after the necrons after they beat up the nids, then eldar = win and the galaxy= xenos land

Eftz3 wrote:Tyranids. Because they eat everything. The only race that might stand a chance would be the necrons, cause they are metal. But aren't they limited in number? The tyranids could just overwhelm them and but them in a biological prison.

Necrons phase out to the nearest convenient Tomb World, and they can teleport all the way across the galaxy if needs be. Yes they're limited in number, but we're not talking a few billion - When they were turned from Necrontyr to Necron they had an empire spanning the galaxy, so there's gonna be trillions of them. There just isn't that many awake at the moment, 'cos they're old and sleepy

Tyranic Marta wrote:k guys lets reaaaaaly think about this.

what is the one thing that can never ever happen?

the death of a star god, sure the elday have trapped one, but the ctan can never really die.. im pretty sure theres some fluff somewhere that sais all the ctan that the nightbringer ate are in some kind on marcoverse still living inside the nightbringer, so even if you kill the nightbringer then all the other ctan pop out and boom bigger issue.

the ctan arnt going to sit around and let their precious necrons get their asses kicked, the necrons are the ctan's bringers of energy etc, so even if one of the other armies/factions/gods finally does beat everyone else up the ctan are going to butcher them, im not really bothered who they are theyre gonna get their asses whooped,

oh and it sais that nids eat EVERYTHING even metals, so the necrons would be a target, nids are alive = necron target, nids> necrons so they kick but for a while but then the ctan jump in and ctan=nid^infinty so goodbye universe, the only hope for the galaxy is the eldar hiding and coming after the necrons after they beat up the nids, then eldar = win and the galaxy= xenos land

I'm not sure if it was this thread or another, similar one (Throne knows there's been many), but I'm about 99% sure that Tyranids can't digest Necron Metal. I agree with you that Necrons will retake their rightful place as undisputed masters of the Galaxy, but they'll do it easier than you might think Especially since Tyranids go out of their way to avoid Necrons, to the point that two entire splinter fleets tried to detour around a Tomb World, ran out of food and went into hibernation because of it.

Toss up between 'crons and nids. In the end, the necrons won!
Because:
a) pretty much immortal, if destroyed, they can be repaired (usually)
b) C'tan are making pariahs which have NO soul and the deadliest weaponry.
c) 2 of the 4 remaining C'tan are 'missing'. We already no thay 1 of them is most likely the machine spirit and is on mars, the other is who-noes-where and we all know he WILL return if he hasn't killed himself yet.


Yep, 'crons win!

The orks have got it they never will go away and they cant really lose so lets say ok its over.

One thing I've read,

Necrons can only be truelly be killed by about 2 items in existence

One: The Spear of Kaela Mensha Khaine, the Eldar god of war, (not sure if the Wailing Doom wielded by his avatars qualify, as their only a part of the true spear)

Two: A sword forged by Vaul, the Eldar smith god, only one is known to exist, Anaris, Dawnlight.

So unless someone finds one of these objects, most likely Anaris, the Necrons are here to stay.

Oriallis wrote:One thing I've read,

Necrons can only be truelly be killed by about 2 items in existence

One: The Spear of Kaela Mensha Khaine, the Eldar god of war, (not sure if the Wailing Doom wielded by his avatars qualify, as their only a part of the true spear)

Two: A sword forged by Vaul, the Eldar smith god, only one is known to exist, Anaris, Dawnlight.

So unless someone finds one of these objects, most likely Anaris, the Necrons are here to stay.

Never heard of this before. do you have some links or sources with the relevant info/fluff?

Even without war orks bring their ecosystem with them and can be reborn from literally ashes.

Just finished the Fall of Damnos and...

Azure wrote:Just finished the Fall of Damnos and...

Spoiler:

We had Scarabs taking the insides of a standard Iguard tank and turning it into more Warriors. Pretty sure Necrons have no issues with making more, keeping this in mind.

That seems odd I thought they were made from Necrodermis.

trewbarton wrote:Even without war orks bring their ecosystem with them and can be reborn from literally ashes.

I forget, the Nids leave planets lifeless rocks, right? Do these planets still have an atmosphere? Can the Orks rebirth within a hard vacuum?


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Do the space bugs backtrack? The Tau can terra-form, right? If the Nids do not circle back then perhaps some Tau can hide/hibernate in the deep cold dark void within "ark" ships for a few thousand years. Building back once the chitinous pigs believe they have nom'ed everything. I guess that means that long term, the ability to terra-form is one the the most powerful techs in WH40k. During the HH the Eldar had terra-forming know how. Do they still in M42 -1?

Orks can survive in a vaccuum for extended periods of time.

Gauss weaponry stops Orks dead, if you'll pardon the pun. It doesn't disintegrate them, it doesn't just kill them, it literally rips apart the nuclear force binding the atoms of their being, dissassembles these atoms and pulls the now sub-atomic particles towards the gun. Nothing can survive that (Except Comissar Yarrick T_T)

i think it will be a three way tie between necrons, nids, and orks. i mean orks will never want to get rid of some of their best foes and who better than regenerating foes. plus i know nids consume worlds so obviously they would still be in the picture. and of course necrons are ancient and we have no idea how many of them are still sleeping waiting to be awoken by a unaware grot or nid.

two ticks, if nids avoid necrons but eat every thing else, including ork spores so lets discount them, then when the nids move on then the crons will be left... so... crons win

but the Nid's would have to get at thier worlds and what if they did just Nom thier planets

the nids are avoiding them, i had a look it sais so in the codex, and sure if they do attack the crons then look up for my previous longer post as to how thaty wouldnt matter, crons win