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trewbarton wrote:Even without war orks bring their ecosystem with them and can be reborn from literally ashes.

Last I heard, burning was one of the only sure ways of disposing of orks, so no, they can't be. There's also the matter that a simple fungicide could wipe them out, which would only take a single rogue techpriest or abnormally lucky random tyranid construction...

This may have been said... but I'm pretty sure that Creed could just infiltrate the entire human race into another galaxy if worst came to worst.

Necrons because they can keep coming back to life thats why i hate them.

Personaly i dont think that the C-tan are very good i men they got beat down by a chaos marine Cypher so to me they arnt that scary to eldar yes but to me and every one else not so much.

When did Cypher fight a C'tan?

The point is that necrons are left after everyone else is killed by nids and then nids dissapear

it doesnt matter how nasty the ctan are for that argument

If the remnants of Gorgon reaches another Nid group the war is over.

The nids that survived the Tau/Gorgon conflict have the experience of adapting to Pulse Rifles and Hammerhead firepower... Not to mention they have experience against Dark Eldar. On a large scale that Hive Fleet would overun everything in it's path.

Eldrad wrote:Personaly i dont think that the C-tan are very good i men they got beat down by a chaos marine Cypher so to me they arnt that scary to eldar yes but to me and every one else not so much.

Source, I request one good sir!

Lexicanum wrote:One source, named the Heresy of Cognitive Dissonance by Cardinal Elyass Vallkante, mentions some form of knife used possibly by Cypher. It is said he struck a being of golden light and his weapon was absorbed into the being. Cypher carried a C'tan Phase Weapon but it was most likely lost in the body of a gold creature, the Necrodermis of the C'tan Deceiver, during battle. The conclusion of the battle is unknown as a shroud prevented the spectator from seeing the outcome.

If this is the source, I think we need to clear up what happens when you are disarmed by an immortal god...

Yeah seems like Cypher hardly "beat" The Deceiver. In fact he's lucky The Deceiver let him go.

Emeth wrote:If every thing went balls out Mankind would eventualy die off, with it chaos would soon die off with out new people to corrupt and turn. eldar and tau wouldent make it, the orks and nids would have a massive war but I think the nids would evetually win because the orks would let them eat biomass to get stronger becaue it would be "Fun"...leaving the necrons and nids, since nither of them get any thing from the outher they wouldent fight so the nids leave to find more stuff to eat leaving the necrons....necrons win, mind you it is a compleatly void of life barren galaxy but they still win.

Nids won't go after the Necrons, but the opposite isn't quite true. The C'Tan will still want to feed, so the Nids will become a buffet.




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asimo77 wrote:Yeah seems like Cypher hardly "beat" The Deceiver. In fact he's lucky The Deceiver let him go.

Maybe he didn't. Maybe Cypher is the Deceiver now.

Still reckon the nids would just leave and even if the ctan chase them they wont be able to take the crons with them, so..... crons still win

Neurons for sure no question there


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ARG necrons I hate this spell check

Autoeditors FTW-
The computers at work have the same thing. Most of my posts have to be edited

I'd argue Necrons or Orks

Re Cypher beating a Ctan, therefore the C'tan are weak? What orifice did that one get pulled from? Did you have a quote to support the statement?

With the quote listed above Cypher made a noob mistake, stuck a Ctan with a Ctan weapon, and then either got eaten or ran for it. If he didn't run for it he ain't coming back

Also the Ctan aren't at full uber-ness when travel-sized for your inconvenience...

If this is a question of survivability then it all comes down to adaptability -
Imperium of Man - Probably the most adaptable of the list. The human psyche is tuned to survival above all others, in the end, humanity will survive in some shape or form because it will adapt to its new environment. Proof of this can be seen in the Age of Strife, how so many human planets survived but in so many different forms.
Tau - A difficult option. The Tau may have a high chance of survival because their culture is based on advancement. However they are small in number and don't have the robustness to survive some huge conflict.
Eldar - Probably the least likely. They are so few in number, and whilst having a martial nature, they are too distant from each other to be able to join up for survival. This roaming way may have an advantage, as they could literally hide from their enemies in deep space.
Dark Eldar - Whilst the DE are fairly secure in Cammoragh, their very way of life will be their undoing. Dark Eldar have an extremely low ability to reproduce even with Haemonuculi re growing warriors. To survive they need a constant and easily obtainable supply of souls to torment for their immortality. If all other sentient races disappeared, they would eventually die off.
Orks - Orks have a high chance of coming out top. Firstly they are so numerous and widespread that any opposing force would have to be as numerous and widespread and a lot more powerful to overcome the Orks 'Fightin' mentality. Secondly, the Ork from of reproduction is the most successful of all sentient races. Little or no food is required, little space is required, and the Orks can produce nearly infinite numbers that can survive nearly any environment.
Chaos Space Marines - CSM are nearly immortal. In the warp the have no need for sleep or sustenance. Their main problem is that in the warp they are all fighting each other if they have no higher purpose. Eventually they would destroy each other in a huge war that would energise the Chaos Gods but would leave them no servants to wreak havoc on the mortal plain so they would gradually decrease in power and most likely become closed off from the real world so would become a non force.
Tyranids - The Tyranids suffer from the same problem as the DE. They live to feed so would eventually kill off their food supply. However once they reach the point where searching for food expends more than consuming the food, they would most likely leave this galaxy and move on to another.
Necrons - They suffer from a nearly identical problem to the Tyranids. Once they have killed all life in the galaxy for their masters they would simply go back into hibernation forever.

On paper many races would die off in the end or have a high chance of survival, but all these factors against each other inevitably comes down to only a few races. DE and Eldar would die of first along with Tau as they aren't numerous or powerful enough to survive. The races that are left would end up in a huge cycle. Orks would eventually fall to infighting but their huge ability to reproduce would keep them going against the everlasting necrons as they would have an everlasting soul supply. Humanity would eventually adapt to whatever situation they were in but would most likely be in a small corner of the galaxy with no presence. Tyranids would have a huge supply of food in the Orks so would survive in a huge war between Necrons, Orks and Tyranids. Eventually however, the tyranids would assimilate Ork matter and adapt to utterly destroy the Orks, probably by developing a way to stop their mass reproducing. With Orks gone, Tyranids would have no food and leave and Necrons would have no souls so go back to slumber. In the end necrons would survive, Tyranids would move on, Chaos would have dissipated with no psychic presence in the warp but Humans would live on in a remote part of the galaxy.

Did you just use IOM and adaptability in the same sentence?

Humans can be adaptable, but the Imperium is not.

The Imperium doesn't even know how to repair all of the tech it uses now, and inventing more is pretty much heresy. It takes millenia to get a new idea past the beauracracy...

lets get this straight

everyone egets pretty much mashed by nids and orks right? everyone agrees with that? well even if you dont its pretty much a dead mans chance that anyone can kill of the nids, the galaxy is going to be slowly consumed by nids and mauled by orcs as the nids push the orcs before them like a mazzise dozer blade using the porcs to wipe ou thge galaxyt through attrition, the nids follow after the orcs, butcher them and eat whats left, if for some reason the orcs fail then epic battles between nids and other races ensue where eventually the other race gets owned through even more attrition, after this has gone through the entire galazy and terra is nothing but a floating husk then nids will eat orcs and move on, we arnt a major threat to them, meanwhile they avoid necron infested planets and thus necrons win.

Tyranic Marta wrote:lets get this straight

maybe..

Tyranic Marta wrote:
everyone gets pretty much mashed by nids and orks right?

wrong.

Tyranic Marta wrote:
everyone agrees with that?

No

Tyranic Marta wrote:
well even if you dont its pretty much a dead mans chance that anyone can kill of the nids, the galaxy is going to be slowly consumed by nids and mauled by orcs as the nids push the orcs before them like a mazzise dozer blade using the orcs to wipe out the galaxy through attrition, the nids follow after the orcs, butcher them and eat whats left, if for some reason the orcs fail then epic battles between nids and other races ensue where eventually the other race gets owned through even more attrition, after this has gone through the entire galazy and terra is nothing but a floating husk then nids will eat orcs and move on, we arnt a major threat to them, meanwhile they avoid necron infested planets and thus necrons win.

Nids have been stopped.
Orks have been stopped.
Bottom line :No one is unbeatable.

And the necrons will rise and annihilate those pesky bugs. Plus they beat the orks before. And the elves, etc...

So go on with that nid-fandom but don't expect agreement.

I vote imperium, i chose them cause they are able to reproduce unlike necrons. They unlike orks dont fight umungst themselves to often. Nids... well their went a hive ship... open fire while they cant fight back. Eldar and dark eldar are already on the way out on their lack of population. Tau........... just don't ask. Chaos would have the best chance to live the longest next to the imperium. only cause their will ever more to currupt but eventually their wont.

1hadhq wrote:

Tyranic Marta wrote:lets get this straight

maybe..

Tyranic Marta wrote:
everyone gets pretty much mashed by nids and orks right?

wrong.

Tyranic Marta wrote:
everyone agrees with that?

No

Tyranic Marta wrote:
well even if you dont its pretty much a dead mans chance that anyone can kill of the nids, the galaxy is going to be slowly consumed by nids and mauled by orcs as the nids push the orcs before them like a mazzise dozer blade using the orcs to wipe out the galaxy through attrition, the nids follow after the orcs, butcher them and eat whats left, if for some reason the orcs fail then epic battles between nids and other races ensue where eventually the other race gets owned through even more attrition, after this has gone through the entire galazy and terra is nothing but a floating husk then nids will eat orcs and move on, we arnt a major threat to them, meanwhile they avoid necron infested planets and thus necrons win.

Nids have been stopped.
Orks have been stopped.
Bottom line :No one is unbeatable.

And the necrons will rise and annihilate those pesky bugs. Plus they beat the orks before. And the elves, etc...

So go on with that nid-fandom but don't expect agreement.

A man of MANY word's. Careful it took my computer a while to load all your text hq

I actualy agree with tyranic marta, im sure there will be much more to the other races fall's but it sounds good. Yes the 'nids have been stopped, but at what cost? Same with the orc's it always takes an arm and a leg to push them back.

xXSir MontyXx wrote:


A man of MANY word's. Careful it took my computer a while to load all your text hq

I'll keep it shorter,if it strains our PC's ressources soo much, promise....
Lets wait if necron-fluff survives M-W treatment before we ignore their contribution to the decease of bugs and fungi.

1hadhq wrote:

xXSir MontyXx wrote:


A man of MANY word's. Careful it took my computer a while to load all your text hq

I'll keep it shorter,if it strains our PC's ressources soo much, promise....
Lets wait if necron-fluff survives M-W treatment before we ignore their contribution to the decease of bugs and fungi.

If Fall of Damnos is any indication of the new Necron Fluff, they might be a bit less of a threat than they used to be... The new fluff rocks, but:

I'd say the 'Final Battle' will be a toss between Necrons, Orkz and Tyranids.

Tyranid's often appear from outside the Galaxy as it is. Who's to say they haven't already finished devouring every OTHER galaxy so far? There certainly seems to be a lot of them, and whilst they can be removed from out galaxy, they might just pop back later.

Orkz because of their reproductive habits. Sure, whilst it's useless against the Tyranid's (who'll probably eat the planet before they can fully mature into Boyz), but it'd be a thorn in the Necron's side, especially if they're not on death worlds.

Necrons - well they won before, they probably can again. I don't know much about Necron's though, so don't know if they can rebuilt completely broken 'Crons. If they can't, then they're on borrowed time.

There's one big problem for the Ctan-they need pain to survive. And Tyranids don't feel pain.

Squigsquasher wrote:There's one big problem for the Ctan-they need pain to survive. And Tyranids don't feel pain.

They don't need pain to survive. The C'Tan spent the majority of their lives feeding off stars, and thats what they'd do after their domination of the universe. They feed off life essence, not emotion, so Tyranids and Orks are like an all you can eat buffet. The Necrons would control their numbers, pen them in and let the C'Tan feast whenever they want. Although my personal theory is that after they destroy the other races, they will pack up shop and move to a new galaxy in search of more C'Tan.

Iam too slow..

Thus second scary nerd.

I admit that my theory isnt foolproof, noones is, i mean a radical inquisitor might invent a virus that would blitzbomb the orcs/ nids then the imperium would only have to deal with one swarmer race, the imperium can probably kick the necrons asses through sheer numerical superiority and the ability to use exterminatus on deathworlds, mid you the necrons have proven themselfs unbeatable in space thus far.

anyhoo i think its going to come down to the fact that pretty much noone haas the resources to kill both the nids and the orcs, the only way it could be done is if the inquisitor makes his bomb or if the other races (and i mean all of them) somehow unite to fight the nids+orcs to extinction, in which case they would be shattered, infighting would ensure and the crons would turn up and butcher them, so no everyones pretty much hosed.

Tyranic Marta wrote:I admit that my theory isnt foolproof, noones is, i mean a radical inquisitor might invent a virus that would blitzbomb the orcs/ nids then the imperium would only have to deal with one swarmer race, the imperium can probably kick the necrons asses through sheer numerical superiority and the ability to use exterminatus on deathworlds, mid you the necrons have proven themselfs unbeatable in space thus far.

anyhoo i think its going to come down to the fact that pretty much noone haas the resources to kill both the nids and the orcs, the only way it could be done is if the inquisitor makes his bomb or if the other races (and i mean all of them) somehow unite to fight the nids+orcs to extinction, in which case they would be shattered, infighting would ensure and the crons would turn up and butcher them, so no everyones pretty much hosed.

If the "good" races would unite and stop being dumb they could even destroy the necron's. If the theory of a massive invasionary force of nid's waiting outside the galaxy is true then they could even beat that it would hurt ALOT. Like ALOT ALOT, but they could do it. Though we all know the Imperiums prejudice will shatter any treaties between the species.

Which 'good' races?

The imperium sure doesn't qualify

Or did you mean all the non kill-you-for-sick-kicks races?

(that lets humanity out again )

Races of "order", that sound more accurate? Tau, Eldar, Imperium