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Ok so assuming the 40k Universe dukes it out non-stop like they do; at the end of the day what race do you think will be left? Or at least vasty Dominant.
I left Chaos Daemons out of it because...being immortal is cheating
I cant imagine the Imperium (Space Marines, IG, etc) going on forever and i feel like when the imperium goes CSM wont be far behind (assuming they havnt been wiped first)

In the end i can imagine a never ending cycle of war between Nids and Orks. Considering Orks can grow and live in nearly every environment, grow very quikly, and combined with the fact its nearly impossible (short of Exterminatus) to rid a planet of Ork spores i think they can just keep bringing the pace of constant warfare other races wont be able to survive against forever.

Then you have Nids, driven only by the need to feed, but im curious as to what happens when all the fleets (Leviathan, Behemoth, Kraken) Finally all meet? Are they all under the same Hive Mind or will it become a cannibal frenzy anyway? I figure the fleet will reach such a critical mass it wont have any other choice.

War innevitably has a winner. Who's it gonna be Dakka?

Side topic: What race do you think would get to the emperor first? Nids eating whatever is left would be a horrifying conclusion to the human race, so would a warboss siting in his throne

Has to be the Imperium of Man, not only do they possess the Astartes which are the equal of most in the universe in combat, the Imperium has access to countless worlds in which they can conscript soldiers when needed. Not to mention the Mechanicum with Titans and such...

Orks are too limited in their thinking, always warring with each other when they get bored... problem solved on that end.

The Eldar are living on borrowed time, Dark Eldar even more so.

Then there is the Tau... next...

Chaos has daemons and such which is cool ally wise, however they have failed in every attempt so far, so pattern history would indicate future failings.

Necrons... first Tau, now Necrons... please... next and next

Lastly, the only real threat; the Nids... however with The Imperiums ability to completely nuke planets from orbit... the Nid threat can be dealt with.

Cheers!

But that same thinking is what makes the Orks such a threat! They will just keep on fighting because its what they love to do.

Im not really familiar with Imperium lore but if they can nuke planets like that then why the hell havnt they done it already?

Hmm, pontificating on this the other day.

Eldar are out, for obvious reasons. The Imperium I feel would eventually crumble as well. Tau don't have anything particulalrly special to protect them. So who doeas that leave?

Orks: Possibly, but other races have means of Exterminatus too. Plus, Orks can survive in NEARLY every environment, but I think a dead planet (Nids, the ruffians) doesn't count as one of them.
Necons: Nids don't like fighting them, there's loads of them, and they can live on a dead world. They'll be fine methinks.
Tyranids: Will be around for a long time, but will eventually move on to another galaxy. Does that count?
Chaos: As you said, Daemons have an unfair advantage. Chaos Space Marines could retreat into the Warp, in which they are pretty much untouchable by the other races, but may crumble due to infighting.
Dark Eldar: Reallu don't know how to call this one-There isn't many left, but then again they too are safe in the webway. They stay most of the time anyway, and whilst they do fight amongst themselves, they aren't stupid.

If every thing went balls out Mankind would eventualy die off, with it chaos would soon die off with out new people to corrupt and turn. eldar and tau wouldent make it, the orks and nids would have a massive war but I think the nids would evetually win because the orks would let them eat biomass to get stronger becaue it would be "Fun"...leaving the necrons and nids, since nither of them get any thing from the outher they wouldent fight so the nids leave to find more stuff to eat leaving the necrons....necrons win, mind you it is a compleatly void of life barren galaxy but they still win.

Necrons already won once. No reason to think they wouldn't win again now that their opposition is less supported (no Old Ones gumming up the works).

The Imperium of Man will fully achieve it's Manifest Destiny of conquering the Galaxy.

I hate to say it, but I'm actually going with the imperium.

The reason is twofold. Firstly, they reproduce. This means that races like eldar and necron are ultimately doomed to failure.

Secondly, they exist to survive. Other races exist to fight and destroy. Orks, for example, reproduce quickly, but once they hit a certain critical mass, they automatically engulf themselves in civil war. Ultimately, they have their own population control. Likewise, while the tyranid are voracious, etc, everything is always fighting with each other in a malthusian nightmare. Plus, once the hive fleets are snuffed out, that's it. No more bugs.

The imperium as an institution may not last indefinitely, but humanity I think will be the ultimate victor. It has both the ability to reproduce and expand endlessly while simultaneously being able to organize themselves peacefully in order to multiply their power. The only reason they don't horribly dominate is because THE ENTIRE GALAXY is aligned against them.

As for tau, well, lol. No.

Necrons... they stand up after you kil them..

Phototoxin wrote:Necrons... they stand up after you kil them..

Unless a couple of Guardsmen with pointy sticks assault them!

I said it before and I'll say it again: 'Nids eat the Galaxy.

Monster Rain wrote:The Imperium of Man will fully achieve it's Manifest Destiny of conquering the Galaxy.

The only reason to have xenos is to keep the Guard and Marines busy.

Ailaros wrote:
The imperium as an institution may not last indefinitely, but humanity I think will be the ultimate victor. It has both the ability to reproduce and expand endlessly while simultaneously being able to organize themselves peacefully in order to multiply their power. The only reason they don't horribly dominate is because THE ENTIRE GALAXY is aligned against them.

Good points.

The ability to survive is sometimes forgotten, when everyone looks at the big explosions and other nice special effects.

Mankind is able to adapt and can change its course. Others are 'programmed' to follow their course and I think the flexibility of the Humans
will be its biggest asset.

- Nids can just devour. They are unable to create, the nids may breed like mad but their ultimate fail is the lack of recycling.
So nids may devour biomass, breed more nids. But they cannot alter this course.

- Eldar will just run away as always. Go hide in another Galaxy. They could return, but maybe the Eldar like it in their new home better?

- Chaos, the faction where everyone strives for his own personal gain. Unlikely to see a winner as none of the chaos minions and obviously
none of their 'gods' would accept to be second in power. The Prefix "ruinous" does hint on ruining all they lay their hands on,
thus chaos itself is included in beeing ruined....

- Necrons. Worthies contender IMo, they won once. Now, last race implies there is no one else left, and thats too boring for C'tan.
May however stay neutral in the end and return to stasis. So Necrons could be still there, but don't count as they sleep for another
eternity.

- Tau. Really? Maybe if they learn to identify the real threats instead of pissing of the IoM.
I believe they don't make it. Plot armor isn't unlimited you know.

- Orks are so popular, they could hope to have a spore survive the last days. OTOH orks need to fight to grow. Pacify them and the
meanest will be half the size of a grot. And there is the supersecret fungizid, hidden behind the extra shiny personal resting place of
the one and only rightfully leader of this Galaxy. Orks will make it far, but 'programmed behaviour' runs sooner or later out of options.



side topic:

Humans. No doubt, they are already where the Emperor is.

1hadhq wrote:- Nids can just devour. They are unable to create, the nids may breed like mad but their ultimate fail is the lack of recycling.
So nids may devour biomass, breed more nids.

Not sure about that. The same logic could apply to human reproduction. . .without food there isn't any.

Also, Tyranids seem to be the most efficient recyclers around, not sure why you say they do not do it at all. They use their own biomass (as well as others) to make new things all the time.

Badly worded maybe?

Nids make more nids or keep it as biomass. But they can't grow their own food or control their hunger.
Should have said: nids cannot create their own self sustaining environment. Other races can at least try to keep their homes inhabitable.
I think survival may need self-restriction.

Nids would either leave if food becomes to rare to search for it without wasting more energy than possible to reabsorb, or
finally find their nemesis ( which I guess are necrons ) so I doubt their victory.

Well said!

Though being capable of intergalactic travel biologically sort of lends to them not even trying to make anything sustainable, I think you covered it rather well.

Ailaros wrote:I hate to say it, but I'm actually going with the imperium.

The reason is twofold. Firstly, they reproduce. This means that races like eldar and necron are ultimately doomed to failure.

Well the necron alway flee if they are loosing (phase out) and then rebuild the destroyed nercons, and all the non-necrons the c'tan just make, so they dont reproduce but you never actualy kill them thus there number never dwindles, IMHO thats better

I think Necrons, Orks and DE would be the last races.

Necrons can survive anywhere and will wear down any army eventually. Being robots they can wipe out the entire galaxy and it won't cause them any harm. Without others distracting them the necrons can finish sealing off the warp which will defeat chaos.

Orks because they just won't stop. While Tyranids have a similar benefit they have to carry on eating while Orks don't have any requirements because they bring the food with them. While wearing down a tyranid army is hard the orks could possibly do it. Once the imperium falls the number of orks will increase so much they will outnumber even the nids.

Dark Eldar might not win but they could eaily survive. If things start looking bad they could just hide in commorragh until everything is dead of asleep. Once the humans and the rest of the eldar are dead chaos will naturaly weaken to the point slaanesh is no longer a threat to the DE.

I think it has to be Orks.

I can't find the reference, but I remember something being quoted about Imperial scout ships going to the edge of the galaxy and all there was was more Ork colonies and bases.

Having said that, I think alot of the Chaos factions would simply move back into the warp and continue the great game there, albeit on a reduce scale.

People talk about the dark gods dying off once the physical galaxy has been killed off but I don't think that will happen. I think the 4 main powers are powerful enough to be self sustaining. What I imagine you'll see is just a drastic drop in their respective power levels and domains.

My vote comes to orks! they don't need nothing, each one can create a full ecosistem for themselves!. If this is not enough, they live by the day, don't care of tomorrow, they don't need anything but squigs ( that came from their spores) fungus for beer (that came from their spores) and a good brawl.......I ENVY THEM!!!!!!

I vote Necrons as one poster mentioned only the imperium can truly adapt but this isnt true the The Ctan are constantly adapting their Necron servants and the Deciever even has worshipers in the imperium

Also the Pariahs are a clear example of Necrons adapting and using humans

while the orks are a good choice they were beaten by the Necrons once when they were allied with the old ones so this time around should be easier and once the Ctan stop killing each other off and unite and wake up their servants en-mass the necrons will be tough to beat

1hadhq wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:The Imperium of Man will fully achieve it's Manifest Destiny of conquering the Galaxy.

- Orks are so popular, they could hope to have a spore survive the last days. OTOH orks need to fight to grow. Pacify them and the
meanest will be half the size of a grot. And there is the supersecret fungizid, hidden behind the extra shiny personal resting place of
the one and only rightfully leader of this Galaxy. Orks will make it far, but 'programmed behaviour' runs sooner or later out of options.
side topic:

Humans. No doubt, they are already where the Emperor is.

Not true actually, Orks always grow throughout their lives, however they experience a faster rate of growth when exposed to fighting. Orks are an entirely self sustained from the moment spores grow, flawed only through what other races see them as. In an odd way they are the most perfect of all the races.

actually, another thing with the tyranid. They only consume, they never produce.

Human expansion is limited to the amount of food we can produce. Tyranid treat food like the western world treats oil. Tyranid show up, eat everything until it's a barren rock and then move on without planting new biomass to come by and harvest later. This means that Tyranid as a race will experience "peak biomass". After that point, the amount of biomass will go down as it becomes more scarce, making it impossible to sustain the same size of tyranid force. Eventually they will dwindle to numbers so low that they will be easily destroyable by the few human agri-world PDF's remaining. In the end, humans will outlast tyranid until they basically annihilate themselves, and humanity will finish the last few vestiges of them off.

Ailaros wrote:actually, another thing with the tyranid. They only consume, they never produce.

Human expansion is limited to the amount of food we can produce. Tyranid treat food like the western world treats oil. Tyranid show up, eat everything until it's a barren rock and then move on without planting new biomass to come by and harvest later. This means that Tyranid as a race will experience "peak biomass". After that point, the amount of biomass will go down as it becomes more scarce, making it impossible to sustain the same size of tyranid force. Eventually they will dwindle to numbers so low that they will be easily destroyable by the few human agri-world PDF's remaining. In the end, humans will outlast tyranid until they basically annihilate themselves, and humanity will finish the last few vestiges of them off.

I am not sure that made any sense. If so, I simply do not agree.

Once they get anywhere near "peak biomass", it seems they move to another galaxy.

Everything but necrons and tyranids: Killed. Necrons would enslave anything that wasn't eaten. THe nids could completly slaughter the orks, as they could just eat the spores. Tyranids couldn't kill necrons, and would probably run away. Necorns would close off the warp. Necorns win.
Remeber: Necrons can't die, and there are a near-infinite number of nids.

Hopefully no one would be standing by the end but if i had too choose i would be hoping that the IoM survived in some form.

ok,(IN MY OPINION)
1st to go would be the eldar,they`re living on borrowed time
2nd tau,i mean,they`re too close to the tyranid blob,they arent gonna get far.
3rd, the imperium,they`re just gonna fall in on themselves,and suffocate under all that "for da empruah"
4th,dark eldar,either because of the wole "THEY`RES BUGS EVERYWHERE,RUUUN!"dilemma,or the same thing of the regular eldar.
5th,orks,they`res a lot of them,but they`res a lot more bugs,they`ll just swallow up an ork world whole.
6th,the necrons,thire powerful,but the tyranids devour planets,ALLMOST WHOLE,plus,can the crons reproduce?they`ll run themselves down before they can kill offf 1/2 the bugs.
7ththe tyranids themselves,i mean,can you keep up a force lke that with NO FOOD LEFT?

why not chaos,you say? because,all the chaos gods would go into a "deep sleep"of some sort,at least untill the bugs are gone.

The nids would probably eat most things BUT they would move on once the biomass was gone. necrons would be the only things left caus not even nids can eat metal. the necrons would then close the warp gates so bye bye chaos. problem solved.

Nids win, move on, leaving necrons to rule the galaxy

Tough one, but I'd say Orks. Fighting them makes them stronger, and given that this is about if the races engaged in one big all-out war, Orks have the advantage.

Orks, of course. They are a true survivor race.

As far as any race but the Necrons are concerned, there have always been Orks in the galaxy, and there always will. Anywhere in this galaxy one might go, Orks have already been there-- or aren't long in the coming.


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the craig machine wrote:5th,orks,they`res a lot of them,but they`res a lot more bugs

There's no actual proof of this, just a guess by paranoid, often insane people.

I'm surprised that Tyranid are not having a wide lead. The Imperium burned 200 worlds just to give them a fighting chance against this unstoppable force of nature.


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HiveMind J wrote:The nids would probably eat most things BUT they would move on once the biomass was gone. necrons would be the only things left caus not even nids can eat metal. the necrons would then close the warp gates so bye bye chaos. problem solved.

Nids win, move on, leaving necrons to rule the galaxy

Yes, I totally agree. Necrons oversee a totally barren wasteland of a galaxy eaten by 'nids.