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Wow, I'm surprised how subtly mentioned the Rhana Dandra is.

The story involves both the legions of Chaos and the Eldar. And has been foreseen by many Eldar Farseers. It is the final battle between Chaos and the Eldar, in a universe where all the other races are extinct, and the future of the universe will be decided. Battle will be called by Fuegan Ra, and all remaining Eldar will fight, led by the Phoenix Lords. Fuegan himself will be the last one to fall, and thus the Eldar God Ynnean will be born from the souls of all the fallen (Imperium, Tau, every other race) and will destroy the Chaos Gods.

So, I voted Eldar.

I also remember reading somewhere that the Imperium is supposed to be the last race to fall before the Eldar, though that is just speculation.

If there is anything that can throw a wrench in the constantly turning gears of time it is free will and the random events that occur. Though many meet their destinies trying to stop it from happening.....

Ailaros wrote:I hate to say it, but I'm actually going with the imperium.

The reason is twofold. Firstly, they reproduce. This means that races like eldar and necron are ultimately doomed to failure.

Secondly, they exist to survive. Other races exist to fight and destroy. Orks, for example, reproduce quickly, but once they hit a certain critical mass, they automatically engulf themselves in civil war. Ultimately, they have their own population control. Likewise, while the tyranid are voracious, etc, everything is always fighting with each other in a malthusian nightmare. Plus, once the hive fleets are snuffed out, that's it. No more bugs.

The imperium as an institution may not last indefinitely, but humanity I think will be the ultimate victor. It has both the ability to reproduce and expand endlessly while simultaneously being able to organize themselves peacefully in order to multiply their power. The only reason they don't horribly dominate is because THE ENTIRE GALAXY is aligned against them.

As for tau, well, lol. No.

What he said. There's nothing to say that once the Imperium as a whole is destroyed a few Trillion humans won't go into hiding. Without tech priests looming over theor collective sholders, it won't be long before they actually have tech that can deal with their enemies.

The Tau might have a chance, but they don't have the tech ((Warp travel)) necessary to really run away effectively.

Allot of races are good at fighting or in the Eldar's case running away. But I think humanity has what it takes to out preform everyone at both.

Orks feed of disorder and battle and would be formittable in an all out slug fest.

Humans are weak but currently have more people and larger armies than anyone else. They are currently on the decline but have a long long way to go before they get knocked out and if they start developing new technology or if they lose half their empire they might run the remaining half better.

Necrons are not going to take over, last I checked they cannot reproduce and the Ctan are extremely limited. They can survive where no one else can but I dont see them taking over

Nids can eat and eat but tactically they are weak. I dont see them being able to adapt to this universerse's multitude of different warrior cults easily. It will take them a while if they were to do it

Craftworld eldar. Their coffin is made, they are at their own funeral

Dark Eldar. No one knows how many their really are. Their webway city exists in more than 3 dimensions and is large enough to contain multiple stars. Only their craftworld cousins know how to attack them and otherwise they can pillage and raid all they want. I dont see them conquering anything but they might never be snuffed out.

Tau. There are not enough tau yet. If their technology continues to improve and their number continue to rise maybe. But as of right now they need the dark eldar to come in and fight off the nids for them, it doesnt look promising.

Chaos needs large numbers of humans to propogate. I dont see them being a stand alone empire.

NeedsMoreDakka wrote:Side topic: What race do you think would get to the emperor first? Nids eating whatever is left would be a horrifying conclusion to the human race, so would a warboss siting in his throne

The easiest root to the emperor is from Chaos. Entire legions of Guard go traitor every year, SM chapters go missing and turn up on the other side all the time. All it takes is one to go traitor near earth and land relatively unnoticed.

The DE fluff says that nowhere is safe from DE pirates and even has a story about a DE attack on Mars to get a treasured artifact back. If they can hit Mars they can hit Earth. They can bring more forces to a planet than any defense force can fight if they think its worth it. But of course killing the emperor would empower Slaanesh, something the DE do not want. So it is unlikely that the DE would ever try to kill the emperor.

All it takes is one to go traitor near earth and land relatively unnoticed.

Adeptus Custodes would stop ANYONE from getting to the Emperor. It'd take far more than one traitor to make it to the Emperor. The only time I remember anybody making it to the Emperor was in that one Black Library book where the Emperor actually stops time to talk to the Inquisitor before the Inquisitor escapes, which kinda means he didn't even make it to the Emperor, and was chased away before he could.

Dashofpepper wrote:The Dark Eldar are a dying race; their pirate raids to gain prisoners are to sustain their souls such that the big bad SHE doesn't get them. With no life left in the galaxy to steal essence and sustenance from, the Dark Eldar are done.

The dark eldar are not a dying race. They simply are not as strong as they were before the fall. They continue to bread and grow stronger. They have vast factories to produce weapons and endless testubes to resurect dead eldar and to give birth to new eldar. They do not seem to be in any rush to repopulate or build a huge army for conquest but it is not written anywhere that they are dying. The new fluff is they are just interested in other things.


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grayspark wrote:

All it takes is one to go traitor near earth and land relatively unnoticed.

Adeptus Custodes would stop ANYONE from getting to the Emperor. It'd take far more than one traitor to make it to the Emperor. The only time I remember anybody making it to the Emperor was in that one Black Library book where the Emperor actually stops time to talk to the Inquisitor before the Inquisitor escapes, which kinda means he didn't even make it to the Emperor, and was chased away before he could.

surely one traitor could do no harm. But what if half the SM chapters went traitor. Dont say it could never happen. It happened before and it could happen again. The emperor is defended by men, and men are vunerable. If enough of them turn enmass it could be a problem (Just like it was when it happened 10,000 years ago)

Im not saying its very likely, but of all the things out there in the galaxy, I think thats the most likely way the emperor would fall and in his slumber the only real thing he worries about.


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xXSir MontyXx wrote:The way I see it for mankind is that the Emperor will die..... it is an unavoidable event. The IoM will lose the ability to navigate the warp and will be pushed back on every front, maybe to near total defeat. Then as promised the emperor will return and lead massive crusades and defeat the armies closing in on the core planets. With their main military might defeated the IoM will steamroll the now undefended planets held by the enemies of mankind.

last time I read the fluff it said that the god emperor of mankind ressurected from thousands of older prophets on earth. If he dies are we all sure that he wont come back again?


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1hadhq wrote:@Sir Pseudonymous:
Comorragh isn't unassailable. ( Again Salamanders, rescuing a stolen relic from there ).
Plus cloning has some drawbacks too.

@xXSir MontyXx:
The Emperor is immortal, and since GW put this duty on his shoulders : to be the one and only protection from the demon,
to "move" the background to his 'death' would cause the IoM to turn into a bunch of new EoT's.

the salamanders only knew where to warp to because there was a salamander psyker already inside comorragh. Without that to lock onto it is unassailable

Don't forget that Humanity has one advantage over all other - FAITH. Faithful solder never breaks down or fals back. It is shown trough history as it is working the same in 41'st millennium.

Don't forget that Humanity has one advantage over all other - FAITH. Faithful solder never breaks down or fals back. It is shown trough history as it is working the same in 41'st millennium.

Do not forget that Chaos also holds faith.

If the chaos gods made friends again, then they could do really nuts stuff, but thats not saying the CSM would survive...

Faith will not save you from being eaten by a carnifex, nor will it prevent a necron lord to steal your soul and play with it for eternity.

I think that if the IoM collapses, chaos gods will follow, because they are so closely linked to this race. Maybe Slaanesh could survive a little longer by preying on the DE, but I doubt the DE would last longer than the IoM...

In the end, it is very hard to extinguish a race. We are talking countless years to find every planet every evac ship........ it is a very tedious task.

I think that in the end there will be no victor. They will stil fight years and years, millennial and millennial... And then the universe will collapse and that will be it. All sentient life will perish, and with it the gods. So in the end, death is the real victor.

I'm slightly confused, why is reproduction necessary to take over the galaxy?

I understand that reasoning for Eldar, as once they're all in wraithguards etc after being slain, that's the end of them, but for Necrons? No new ones are created (Except Tomb Spyders, Scarabs Swarms, Tomb Stalkers and Pariahs), but whenever one dies it just gets repaired elsewhere. I don't see why the fact that they are outnumbered makes much of a difference, 'cos every battle is a moral victory for Necrons, even if they all phase out, because whilst the enemy has taken substantial losses, Necrons are as strong as ever.

Admittedly I'm slightly biased in favour of Necrons' ultimate victory, but the point stands.

EDIT: Also, that Eldar prophecy in the Necron Codex about the galaxy being cut off from the Warp, mankind enslaved and the C'Tans empire back in full force seems to be nipping at the universe's heels, somewhat.

EDIT 2 "Return of the Post-Script": Also, as far as I'm aware 'Nids can't digest Living Metal.

Scarey Nerd wrote:I'm slightly confused, why is reproduction necessary to take over the galaxy?

I understand that reasoning for Eldar, as once they're all in wraithguards etc after being slain, that's the end of them, but for Necrons? No new ones are created (Except Tomb Spyders, Scarabs Swarms, Tomb Stalkers and Pariahs), but whenever one dies it just gets repaired elsewhere. I don't see why the fact that they are outnumbered makes much of a difference, 'cos every battle is a moral victory for Necrons, even if they all phase out, because whilst the enemy has taken substantial losses, Necrons are as strong as ever.

Admittedly I'm slightly biased in favour of Necrons' ultimate victory, but the point stands.

EDIT: Also, that Eldar prophecy in the Necron Codex about the galaxy being cut off from the Warp, mankind enslaved and the C'Tans empire back in full force seems to be nipping at the universe's heels, somewhat.

EDIT 2 "Return of the Post-Script": Also, as far as I'm aware 'Nids can't digest Living Metal.

No I dont think they can, if they could they would eat the crust of planets as well. However they can eat anything on a necron planet that is living. (if there is anything)

Dark eldar are not cloned, they are born by artificial insemenation and procede to grow in a test tube.
Dark eldar could easily survive by hiding in the webway, and then lauching attacks to inflict pain and suffering.

'CRONS WIN but they have a flaw as pointy things (power stuff) kill them DEAD and the nids have stuff like that don't they ????

Ultrasmurf_no_REALY wrote:'CRONS WIN but they have a flaw as pointy things (power stuff) kill them DEAD and the nids have stuff like that don't they ????

In the board game, yes, but in fluff even a force weapon can't kill a Necron in one. Plus, as I stated, even if Tyranids killed an entire Necron Tomb World, as long as the Necrons took down one Gargoyle it was a victory.

Personally, I think Orks are gonna win, and Necrons going back into stasis.

Monster Rain wrote:The Imperium of Man will fully achieve it's Manifest Destiny of conquering the Galaxy.

Never happen. The Imperium is crumbling and its only a matter of time. Tau will die, as thy're too small. Eldar will eventually get wiped out by Slaanesh. Nids and Orks though, are another matter. They are both nigh-immpossible to stop. I think they will fight for so long and hard, however, that they'll wipe each other out.

Only two left are Necrons and Dark Eldar. Necrons are unstoppable because of the phaze out. However, I think if you drive them back far enough they won't have any where to phaze out to. Dark Eldar could just stay in the Webway for as long as it takes, then potentialy actually move to another galaxy, or wait for life to start again. It's also my belief if you stop doing what the Chaos Gods are, they phase out of existence. I.E stop war and bloodshed completely and Khorne would die.

That's my belief anyway

Urien_Rakarth wrote: It's also my belief if you stop doing what the Chaos Gods are, they phase out of existence. I.E stop war and bloodshed completely and Khorne would die.

That's my belief anyway

Good luck with that, seriously, what part of "It is the 41s milennium and there is only war." do you not understand?

I think when the great "Toilet Bowl" that is the 40k universe gets the big flush there will be Ork surfers screaming 'WAAAAAAAAGH' as they spin around the bowl into nothingness.

Yeah, I'm gona go with Nids here. they are the only race in the galaxy that is literally numberless, they can always make more and evolve more. How in the Emperors name do you stop an enemy like that? The only enemy with any sort of chance against them are the Necrons.

Swiftblade wrote:Yeah, I'm gona go with Nids here. they are the only race in the galaxy that is literally numberless, they can always make more and evolve more. How in the Emperors name do you stop an enemy like that? The only enemy with any sort of chance against them are the Necrons.

Aren't you, by process of elimination, saying that the Necrons will be the last race standing?

Gotta say csm because I play them, but tyranids might be the most likely to win, they've devoured galaxies before...

There will always be Orks...

NagothDaCleaver wrote:There will always be Orks...

+1

Yeah, I'm gona go with Nids here. they are the only race in the galaxy that is literally numberless, they can always make more and evolve more. How in the Emperors name do you stop an enemy like that? The only enemy with any sort of chance against them are the Necrons.

Not numberless, but definitely a lot.

There will always be Orks...

No

Swiftblade wrote:Yeah, I'm gona go with Nids here. they are the only race in the galaxy that is literally numberless, they can always make more

You mean, just like every other living thing can?

and evolve more.

Something sapient beings can do by thinking about a problem, and engineering a solution to it.

Ork Spore is almost impossible to remove from a planet. The more Orks you kill the more Orks will grow in that spot later.

from the Lexicanum:

The Lexicanum wrote:
Orks have not only survived, they have prospered and are more numerous than humanity. This at least is due in part to how they reproduce. Orks reproduce through the release of spores, which grow into a plant-like womb underground that nourishes the bodies of the various Orkoid species. This is the entire basis of the Orkoid ecosystem, producing first Squigs, then Snotlings who cultivate the Squigs and fungus, then Gretchin to build the settlements, and finally the Orks themselves. This means the Orks, where ever they go, will have an abundance of food, slaves and other resources, a moving ecosystem that supports them as they go on their Waaagh!s

This also makes it extremely difficult to rid a planet of Orks, even if the initial invasion is defeated. Orks release spores thought their lives, but release them particularly at the moment of death. Without a nearby population of Orks, the fungus will eventually start the Ork life cycle anew. Decades after weathering an Ork Waaagh! settlements on a planet can find themselves faced with an unexpected attack from Feral Ork tribes coming out of the wilderness.

So... as I said... There will always be Orks.

IMPERIUM FOR THE WIN!

C'mon man, it's gotta be the imperium. there the hero's, the good guys, they've gotta win. the emperor would be reborn sooner or later any way, then it's back to another crusade where every one get owned.

orks have got a good chance, and the nids. but would you rather live in a ork universe or a nids one? i mean really.


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IMPERIUM FOR THE WIN!

C'mon man, it's gotta be the imperium. there the hero's, the good guys, they've gotta win. the emperor would be reborn sooner or later any way, then it's back to another crusade where every one get owned.

orks have got a good chance, and the nids. but would you rather live in a ork universe or a nids one? i mean really.


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For NagothDaCleaver

yeah, but what if the orks got beat so bad, they started being harvested? then they would be able to get to new world and it would be game over.

Good guys certainly do not always win, especially in the 40k galaxy... nor is the Imperium of man that good. (for the galaxy not for man... obviously)

j-baass wrote:
For NagothDaCleaver

yeah, but what if the orks got beat so bad, they started being harvested? then they would be able to get to new world and it would be game over.

Harvested?
For crops?
By Maugan Ra? He is a Harvester
The Necrons? They have a Harvester