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Kilkrazy wrote:I would say the British image of American men is that, amidst a roiling ocean of rednecks and yahoos, there exists television personalities and insurance salesmen that are charming, witty, cultured, and above all, debonair.
I don't stereotype Americans as charming, I mean, I'm sure some are, but I've spent a few years of my life in the US and I came to learn a lot about the culture, and I think more than any other nation.
It is a country of glaring contradictions. The nation that gave rise to the kkk also spawned the black panthers, and I think that's a good way of describing it as a whole. In NYC I saw more raving homosexuals than anywhere else I have ever been (and I saw a Chinese bloke with a shirt on that said " god made me Asian and queer", and in Virginia I think pretty much everyone loved football and guns and was ultra macho, its not a nation easily stereotyped if you ask me.
Just like the UK, for every Mr bean there is a boozed up thug with several convictions.
I think the US and UK have more in common than most places...
And I prefer Virginia to nyc, even with the whooping!
We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels.
Herohammernostalgia wrote:Could it be inspired by native american war-cries?
Bingo. If there's any real likely identifiable origin, it would be this. The Indians' style of warfare influenced the European Americans during the Revolution, and I'm sure war whoops were a part of that, which in turn influenced the "Rebel Yell" of the Civil War and it all carries on in some form today.
Trust me, if you were a soldier or a frontier settler back in those days, I don't think "effeminate" is a word you'd use to describe that sound.
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mattyrm wrote:It is a country of glaring contradictions. The nation that gave rise to the kkk also spawned the black panthers, and I think that's a good way of describing it as a whole. In NYC I saw more raving homosexuals than anywhere else I have ever been (and I saw a Chinese bloke with a shirt on that said " god made me Asian and queer", and in Virginia I think pretty much everyone loved football and guns and was ultra macho, its not a nation easily stereotyped if you ask me.
Just like the UK, for every Mr bean there is a boozed up thug with several convictions.
I think the US and UK have more in common than most places...
Possibly the truest words spoken in this thread, and I agree on both counts. That is, the US is not a nation easily stereotyped, and that the US and UK have a lot in common. In all likelihood, and in a roundabout way, probably more in common than not. We've certainly had some strong influences on each others' cultures.
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..and am now overcome with an urge to watch "Bringing up Baby" again.
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
Well, with you being Australian I thought cultural references would have...[/crass stereotype]
I'd have to side more with the perception of Americans being coloured more by which region one was to refer to.
The only national stereotype of Americans that really springs to mind is then being both somewhat loud and emotional, often at times or places where we wouldn't be.
But that is, of course, as we're all uptight and cold.
Both and all stereotypes originating one suspects more from the type of person who had the money to travel to the respective countries perhaps.
TV and the advent of cheaper travel have done a lot to shatter some myths.
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
To be honest with you, if you were in the UK then I would expect to find you working in a pub. For it seems that almost the entire population of 20something Australians are working in or running pubs in London.
As to the Australian cultural thing, what's even weirder about that is that the single most recognisable Australian building is an Opera house.
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
They whoop because they are yanks.
We dont whoop because we are Brits.
What they do on the continent is their own affair.
Its a matter of a nations core culture, which is contaminated heavily by television. Even so some espects of the culture remain. British soldiers faced their enemy in silence, because silence is deafening. The only shout is immediately befroe a countercharge. Most soliders yelled on their way into battle, facing people who dont is actually unnerving as it gives the impression they have no fear.
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n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
Orlanth wrote:They whoop because they are yanks.
We dont whoop because we are Brits.
What they do on the continent is their own affair.
Its a matter of a nations core culture, which is contaminated heavily by television. Even so some espects of the culture remain. British soldiers faced their enemy in silence, because silence is deafening. The only shout is immediately befroe a countercharge. Most soliders yelled on their way into battle, facing people who dont is actually unnerving as it gives the impression they have no fear.
That also was the preferred method of a lot of Federal troops in the ACW.
Phryxis wrote:My wife is an A&M grad, and very obsessed with all the various songs, traditions, etc.
Regardless, whooping is odd. The only time I can think of that I would do it is when I am open in basketball. But then it's used because it's loud and grabs attention, you're saying "holy crap, dude, pay attention and give me the ball."
But then I have a question... As any American can tell you, the general impression of the British is that they are effeminate. Obviously there are exceptions (the soccer hooligan for example), but the American perception of British men is that they're effeminate.
Is the same true, in reverse, of the British perception of Americans?
As in Texas A&M? If so I bet she can do more pushups than you!
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filbert wrote:Wasn't that sort of whooping know as a 'Rebel Yell', the sort of Yee-Haw thing?
No. As noted its a little more screamy. I alsways likened it to the verbal personaification of an axe falling. But its a personal thing.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Being as we are, in a general sense, a pretty xenophobic people I would say that the British view of Americans is that they are the best of a bad bunch!
That could pretty much apply to Aussies, Kiwis and Canucks too, though...
Don't forget, in Britain we don't complement our mates - we take the piss out of them!
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Albatross wrote:Being as we are, in a general sense, a pretty xenophobic people I would say that the British view of Americans is that they are the best of a bad bunch!
That could pretty much apply to Aussies, Kiwis and Canucks too, though...
You're purebreds. We're heinze 57. Mutts survive, purebreds cry for their mamas.
Translation, you're just jealous of the awesomesauce that is queso.
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reds8n wrote:
Kilkrazy wrote:
Cary Grant is the archetypal American male.
Well, I got it if no one else did.
..and am now overcome with an urge to watch "Bringing up Baby" again.
Only for wussies. All real American males understand that John Wayne is the proper archetype, or alternatively Humphrey Bogart.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Cary Grant. Born in Bristol, England.
Would have thought the reasonable attitude was not to take any notice of stereotyping, you thicko redneck yanky yahoos!
(Just in case it is true and americans don't do irony, I was being ironic!)
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You're purebreds.
Yup
100% purebred celto-romano-saxon-viking-norman-pan commonwealth.
Feel certain that I've missed someone out.
Thats nothing.
German, Scotch, Irish, French, Lithuanian. Add in the Welsh and I'd have everyone the English ticked off in Europe all rollled into one!
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Given the fact that the roots of our varied races are the same as those listed, with the exception of lithuanians, but even they may have geneological links. Everyone else does.
It doesn't mean a lot any how on a personal level. For instance: Scots (brother's wife), Irish (my sister-in- law's mother), and Welsh (my Great Grandfather)
Name derivation is apparently Cornish (Celt) Apparently one of my ancestors married a native girl when stationed in India. Other family names are of Saxon/English derivation. Hardly makes me a purebred.
In any case The USA has a pretty good track record of pissing everyone else off so pots and kettles to you!
Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:
In any case The USA has a pretty good track record of pissing everyone else off
Excellent. Thats why God invented Hawaiian shirts, bright white socks, and sandals.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
If you have a parrot and you don't teach it to say, "Help, they've turned me into a parrot", you are wasting everybody's time.
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
Church: So it is a sword, It just happens to function like a key in very specific situations.
Caboose: Or it's a key all the time, and when you stick it in people, it unlocks their death.
