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Nope. I never will until I see it.
This is the internet, I can claim to have every founding chapter fully modeled out, and provide no picture. No one would believe me.
I don't believe you have any of those things you listed, regardless if someone else says you do. Have him take pictures of them then, if he'll vouch for you.
Also, I have a feeling that even if you post a pic of the Norris marine, it would be anywhere as cool as I thought, and I'll be disappointed.

battle Brother Lucifer wrote:Nope. I never will until I see it.
This is the internet, I can claim to have every founding chapter fully modeled out, and provide no picture. No one would believe me.
I don't believe you have any of those things you listed, regardless if someone else says you do. Have him take pictures of them then, if he'll vouch for you.
Also, I have a feeling that even if you post a pic of the Norris marine, it would be anywhere as cool as I thought, and I'll be disappointed.

Yes- because you are a pessimist. quit bugging me. I will post pics (or get andyroo to) in my own time.

Be sure to pm me when they are up.

Lucifer don't be a flamer...

And before you talked about him not posting pics, here's my opinion on it.

Who gives a crap about pictures.

I have quite a bit of Warhammer 40,000 stuff but I don't care enough to post it for people to see. It's a person's own choice whether they post their things or not and whether they talk about them NOT YOURS.

grayspark wrote:Lucifer don't be a flamer...

And before you talked about him not posting pics, here's my opinion on it.

Who gives a crap about pictures.

I have quite a bit of Warhammer 40,000 stuff but I don't care enough to post it for people to see. It's a person's own choice whether they post their things or not and whether they talk about them NOT YOURS.

I take offense to being called a flamer.
I am a flamboyant heterosexual.

battle Brother Lucifer wrote:

grayspark wrote:Lucifer don't be a flamer...

And before you talked about him not posting pics, here's my opinion on it.

Who gives a crap about pictures.

I have quite a bit of Warhammer 40,000 stuff but I don't care enough to post it for people to see. It's a person's own choice whether they post their things or not and whether they talk about them NOT YOURS.

I take offense to being called a flamer.
I am a flamboyant heterosexual.

He wasn't referring to your sexual orientation, rather referring to your need to troll this guys thread and offer nothing to it but pointless and unwarranted accusations and attempts to start a fight.

Coming in here and throwing out ToS rules is like a bully trying to push someone around and make them start a fight. You're not an admin and obviously, he has just cause to call you out, as you've done this in other threads. He more then likely knew this would be your response and didn't feel like dealing with someone bullying him in his thread and giving him non-useful feedback.

Perhaps you're the one that needs to go back and read the ToS and then the Forum rules on conduct and on how to treat others in these forums. He was being direct and respectful by asking you not to post in this thread with comments like you've already posted. You've contributed nothing but strife and it's very unwelcome.

And before you go and start talking crap about "this is a free country, this is the internet, I can do what I want", it's not a country, it's a forum, it is the internet, but like you've already stated there is a ToS and you did agree to it and the Forum rules on Code of Conduct even if you chose not to read them.

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Anyways, back to the original thread, it's an interesting idea and I hope you do get the chance to post pics because I would like to see what you've done, just out shear curiosity.

Also, the rules look good, but idk about TL/AC for a transport...hmmm...I'll have to ponder this, but for 75 pts, seems a little cheap the original 100pts sounds better if not 110 or 120.

Anywho, good work so far.

Cheers~

shrike wrote:yep.
the rhino doesn't look wierd (much) and GW made one in one of thier old white dwarfs. (or dwarves if you're tolkein ),so it can't look that bad.
5 SM can get within 2" of the rhino door, right? Well, It has 4 doors, so 20 SM can fit, so it's not a question of how many doors there should be.

Right that answers that about the doors which was why I asked.

@Greyspark putting jump infantry in a vehicle generally will mean it will get destroyed first turn as no one wants to see that turn up on their battle line. It negates their strength because it is delaying their flexibility to move around using either jump packs or on foot but I'm not going to argue that point to death as it is a different topic.

I am sure that Greyspark will probably accuse me of not reading the thread again even though i am have done so as I am going to say something negative but I am neither flamming nor trolling I am just expressing my opinion:

The idea is antifluff and very anti the established rules. By increasing the armour and having something like a TL AC or LC you are just trying to make some form of weaker cheaper Land Raider. Well done for doing a potentially interesting conversion it would be nice to see a pic but appreciate you having technical difficulties. Personally in normal 40K I would refuse to play against it in an apoc game fine knock yourself out.

Good luck with putting it and the rules together just don't think because one or two people think it is a brilliant idea you will be able to use it in many games.

All the best.

battle Brother Lucifer wrote:Be sure to pm me when they are up.

will do, so long as you stop pestering me.

So, is this going to be a DT or HS? Because as HS it's a little cheap, but as a DT it's cost is probably spot-on.

MekanobSamael wrote:So, is this going to be a DT or HS? Because as HS it's a little cheap, but as a DT it's cost is probably spot-on.

well, I'm not sure, because- It seems like a dedicated transport, but how do ou make it like that if it carries 2 squads? maybe fast attack and make it a fast vehicle?

@Fexor
One, I did offer help. Nothing minus flyers should carry jump infantry.
2, I brought up the ToS not as a threat, but because it offerend me. I don't like being singled out like that. How would you like it if I made a thread and told you not to post?
Two, rather than single ME out, how bout your chew the ears off all the others in this thread who brought up his Chuck Norris? Yes I've done it in other threads, but most if the time in a joking manner.


Also, Shrike, this uber-rhino sounds like a good idea, I would love to see a pic when you can

battle Brother Lucifer wrote: @Fexor
One, I did offer help. Nothing minus flyers should carry jump infantry.

you missed super-heavies.

battle Brother Lucifer wrote:2, I brought up the ToS not as a threat, but because it offerend me. I don't like being singled out like that. How would you like it if I made a thread and told you not to post?

It offerends me that you keep on pestering me.

battle Brother Lucifer wrote:Two, rather than single ME out, how bout your chew the ears off all the others in this thread who brought up his Chuck Norris? Yes I've done it in other threads, but most if the time in a joking manner.

It wasn't even remotely funny when it started. Now...don't get me started.
and the others? they were one-time posters. You just keep on doing it.

battle Brother Lucifer wrote:Also, Shrike, this uber-rhino sounds like a good idea, I would love to see a pic when you can

will do.

yeah, but Super Heavies are in apoc for a reason
If this is for apoc only, go ahead and have them carry jump infantry.

what about DKoK? they can take supers in standard 40k.

Yes, but you need to ask your opponent if they will allow you to even play as DKoK

meh. Still allowed.

If you use DKoK models as normal IG, then yes.

Anyway, this is going on a bit... the point is, this is the only non-flyer/super heavy transport that can carry jump infrantry. This is partly why I made it. BA can carry jump troops- why can't I?

Ed_Bodger wrote:

shrike wrote:yep.
the rhino doesn't look wierd (much) and GW made one in one of thier old white dwarfs. (or dwarves if you're tolkein ),so it can't look that bad.
5 SM can get within 2" of the rhino door, right? Well, It has 4 doors, so 20 SM can fit, so it's not a question of how many doors there should be.

Right that answers that about the doors which was why I asked.

@Greyspark putting jump infantry in a vehicle generally will mean it will get destroyed first turn as no one wants to see that turn up on their battle line. It negates their strength because it is delaying their flexibility to move around using either jump packs or on foot but I'm not going to argue that point to death as it is a different topic.

I am sure that Greyspark will probably accuse me of not reading the thread again even though i am have done so as I am going to say something negative but I am neither flamming nor trolling I am just expressing my opinion:

The idea is antifluff and very anti the established rules. By increasing the armour and having something like a TL AC or LC you are just trying to make some form of weaker cheaper Land Raider. Well done for doing a potentially interesting conversion it would be nice to see a pic but appreciate you having technical difficulties. Personally in normal 40K I would refuse to play against it in an apoc game fine knock yourself out.

Good luck with putting it and the rules together just don't think because one or two people think it is a brilliant idea you will be able to use it in many games.

All the best.

So you think because I told somebody who was outright flaming that he was that I'm going to say you are? Gosh, you're strange.

Either way, that's more of your opinion concerning jump troops. You see them as flexible, I merely seem them as faster, and besides, wouldn't you rather WANT the enemy to pour all their fire onto one unit in your army? Keeps the rest alive.

BA can carry them in the Strom Raven, or Without their jump packs in a transport.
Having guys with jump packs in a tank is a no-no

If the whole purpose of this transport is to take jump infantry, wouldn't it make sense to make it open topped and roofless? Basicly a fence on wheels. Maybe add a launch mechanism for the jump infantry so they get to move maybe D6 inches longer when they disembark?

Limbo wrote:If the whole purpose of this transport is to take jump infantry, wouldn't it make sense to make it open topped and roofless? Basicly a fence on wheels. Maybe add a launch mechanism for the jump infantry so they get to move maybe D6 inches longer when they disembark?

the point isn't just to take jump infrantry- I want a SM vehicle with a high cap, without having to get a LR. a fence on wheels would be pointless. I want something to protect my large squads of infrantry (most of these are jump). The point is- is this fair? points? AV? rules? cap.?

ye i can back strike up, ive seen his potatoe head stompa and it if pretty awersome and i hav seen his rhino (ignore late post)


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ive played against strike and most of his army is made up of flyers.

pics or it didnt happen

andyroo9000 wrote:ye i can back strike up, ive seen his potatoe head stompa and it if pretty awersome and i hav seen his rhino (ignore late post)


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ive played against strike and most of his army is made up of flyers.

coorection- jump infrantry
and have I shown you my Chuck norris marine?

not yet but you can show me tomorrow

kk.

So let me get this right. A Razorback with a TLAC costs 75pts, with EA its 90pts. SO for an extra 10 pts you get:
+1 Front and rear AV
+10 Capacity
+2 Storm bolters
Assault ramp!
The ability to transport Jump Infantry

Yeah, that sure seems well priced

tedurur wrote:So let me get this right. A Razorback with a TLAC costs 75pts, with EA its 90pts. SO for an extra 10 pts you get:
+1 Front and rear AV
+10 Capacity
+2 Storm bolters
Assault ramp!
The ability to transport Jump Infantry

Yeah, that sure seems well priced

Like

tedurur wrote: So let me get this right. A Razorback with a TLAC costs 75pts, with EA its 90pts. SO for an extra 10 pts you get:
+1 Front and rear AV

because that's the bonus for having 2 transports that you can't split.

tedurur wrote: +10 Capacity

a rhino has 10.

tedurur wrote: +2 Storm bolters

standard to a rhino and RB.

tedurur wrote: Assault ramp!

yeah, but instead of 6 access points, there's 5. (inc. assault ramp)

tedurur wrote: The ability to transport Jump Infantry

that's another bonus.
well if it was more points it would be better to have a LR. more firepower, PoTMS, more AV, ect.
remember- it's basically a rhino and razorback put together, with no rear ramps, standard weaponry. so it's 10 more points for transporting jumpers, +1 AV, and replacing 2 access ramps with an assault ramp. seems fair to me IMHO.