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I have never wanted to post how much points I had, when playing in 2-3rd edition it was a insane amount, I carried it in 4 double shotgun cases, and in most cases could loan out around 2k with out ever worring what I had to use myself. I quit playing during 3rd and a daughter came so I sold them. I think it was around 6k as I had way to many termies (around 30), 4 landraiders, and 5 dreds, 6 or so razors, and 8 rhinos, so I really never could field it all. It was fun during tourneys to play the which case is that in game . Now however as I am getting back into the game I will probably only count what I have painted, and I have a distinct advantage as I work for a GS so I will be owning two armies by the time I am done, rather cheaply .

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Carl

I really didn't expect this from the thread I was venting at people who claimed ridiculous points armies but never posted anything to prove it. Your Armies are stunning in their Scope and ambition. BRAVO ZULU

Hey Scott I think you need a few more vehicles in there! Some of those Armies are way Impressive, I have about 100 Tactical Marines sitting in a box waiting to be Glued and Primed all AOBR Marines I have bought dirt cheap over the past few years. I have to say when I see a force of Landraiders or alot of Rhino's all I can think is "£££££££" as to collect at that level takes dedication. That said I want to have 3 Vindi's, 3 Preds and 6 RB's and 5 Landspeeds + 3 Storms.

Maybe I should declare war on the W/D/L Signature Heresy as well? This seems to be a popular bone of contention W540/D/2/L/0.... and all that complete tosh. I honestly don't care if I win or lose, some of my most satisfying games have been when I have lost but fought well, or a unit outperforms or is completely underwhelming. The best part of this hobby it for me is the underlying Narrative, like the SM Scout who survives 4 turns in a Bunker facing off against armour, survives and then "Death or Glory's" a tank with his Melta Bomb. The Ork Nob who tears through a Termie squad, the Dreadnought that dies without firing a shot etc, etc, etc. It is the endless source of humour and comedy that is the social part of this hobby.

Or the Space Marine Captain on a Bike that is half "Chuck Norris" half "Evil Kneivel" and rips apart units with his +1T and his Relic Blade causing carnage and moving at speed.

I might not be a good painter

yeah right!
Mr Cool Bear Claw Army Owner!

At this point all 3 of my armies would fit in the same pic...hell they all fit on the dining room table, with room to spare.

And for anyone who hasn't found it yet................
http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/tag/135-Army.html

Needs a couple of tags removing though!

mwnciboo wrote:Hey Scott I think you need a few more vehicles in there!

Can you tell that I'm a tread head?

The current project has no tanks at all, oddly.


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mwnciboo wrote:Maybe I should declare war on the W/D/L Signature Heresy as well? This seems to be a popular bone of contention W540/D/2/L/0.... and all that complete tosh.

That, I think, is pointless. Even if it's true it's meaningless.

If you aren't losing around half your games then you need to find better opponents.

It won't surprise if quite a few of them are true - there's plenty of wargamers that like being the big fish in the small pond and will desperately avoid leaving their comfort zones. Usually the same people that complain about cheesy lists and powergamers (whilst maintaining a list that's slightly more powerful than their regular opponents)


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Alex Kolodotschko wrote:And for anyone who hasn't found it yet................
http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/tag/135-Army.html

Needs a couple of tags removing though!

I don't have enough pts of anything to make it worth mentioning.

Augustus wrote:
It's probably because they are not painted.

I've noticed that in so many conversations with gamers who use I have X points in ,whatever. army. When asked, how much is painted? They usually mumble and slink away. Those who calculate how many points they own usual aren't disciplined painters, so the only impressive sounding stat becomes how many points it's worth.

I generally disregard those numbers as internet smoke.

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Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:

I might not be a good painter

yeah right!
Mr Cool Bear Claw Army Owner!

Thats very kind, however I am an average painter. I can apply paint accurately and consistently and get some good effects, washing and shading and bits with Quickshade. But the technique I am struggling with most is "Highlighting" its painfully obvious on a Brown Army because you need that nice contrast just like Black armour. I have got better on vehicles but I still stuggle with the individual marines, I need to be braver with my highlights. If I master this in the next 12 months I will consider myself a more "Rounded" model painter but at the moment I am more "Journeyman" than anything else.

If you look up RAFF's painting, it's that good it makes you want to cry!

I never saw any problems with listing armies one owns. Though some of us have reputations on the forums as "X Army Player" its always good for reference to have the icons of the armies people play.

I know that when I was new to the forum, before I had figured out my identity as a community member and figured out my signature, that I thought the emoticons were pretty cool. I listed my point values, though only what I could field in my largest legal list.

I suppose if I ever do get around to completely painting my armies, I might start listing them again, though with a hyper link to an article page or gallery about the army, with plenty of glamor shots.

People could always start an Army Blag ie a blog about a fictional/exaggerated army.

with fictional battle reports and game stats.

As has been stated, really big armies are a PITA to photograph. Here's an old shot of my IG from before the new codex (or apocolypse):



I think at the time it was about 6-8k point.

Since then, I've added two valks, two vendettas, two banewolfs, five more russes, two medusas, three hyrdas, a baneblade, a shadowsword, probably eight veteran squads, a psychic battle squad, and five more ogryn. I'll try to get pictures of it all at some point.

erm

just a thought....

if some guys are sneaky enough to put false stats in their sigs....

how do we know some of these pics aren't photoshopped?

snap a unit of IG, copy/paste. It's so easy these days.
just using IG as an example Polonius, not suggesting you would do such a thing, but there are others. you know who you are

I'm a pretty paranoid guy, but I think that anybody willing to go to that effort jsut to look cool on Dakka would be pretty easy to spot.

To make it look good would take a ton of effort, and would still look fake. Just look at the last IG codex, when GW shopped a complete regiment.

So, I'd relax.

All my armies are in my sig. The points cost is the basic points cost of the model without any "non-visble" upgrades (such as psychic powers etc)

I also have a link to the Plog where I am working on painting/building them all

I have an old out of date picture in there (I'm pretty sure) of my shelves when I still had an Ork army and no Eldar army and about 50% less IG

For my sig I notated how the points were calculated - IE, exactly what is modeled on there. A rhino is 35 points, if it's modeled with a H/K missile it's 45, etc etc.

My sig clearly notes what's painted and what's merely primed, and I've never played a mini that wasn't completely painted. I plan to add gallery links after each item with pictures, but that's a lot of pictures to take. I started taking pictures of all my necrons but decided I didn't like how the base looked and now want to make a display board - this sort of thing keeps this from ever getting done. Here's some of my necrons though.


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mwnciboo wrote:. I only got better due to the help of Dakka and its tutorials. We should positively encourage people

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Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:People could always start an Army Blag ie a blog about a fictional/exaggerated army.

with fictional battle reports and game stats.

and then

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:erm

just a thought....

if some guys are sneaky enough to put false stats in their sigs....

how do we know some of these pics aren't photoshopped?

snap a unit of IG, copy/paste. It's so easy these days.
just using IG as an example Polonius, not suggesting you would do such a thing, but there are others. you know who you are

Frankly, this sort of tinfoil hat nonsense makes me way, way less inclined to ever post pictures of my armies. I don't need to justify myself to the 40k equivalent of birthers. Side note, when you start off a post with the phrase "OK, this is sort of a rant?" - you can't later post innocent wonderment about how things unexpectedly got acrimonious.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:erm

just a thought....

if some guys are sneaky enough to put false stats in their sigs....

how do we know some of these pics aren't photoshopped?

snap a unit of IG, copy/paste. It's so easy these days.
just using IG as an example Polonius, not suggesting you would do such a thing, but there are others. you know who you are

i'd suspect it'd be difficult to tell if a unit was photoshopped. anyways... on a totally unrelated note, here's the newest addition to my IG army.

I would hate to deploy my models on the table before you deployed that one, warboss.

Found the picture of my shelves

Why do you have two monitors facing each other?

Scott-S6 wrote:Why do you have two monitors facing each other?

Because I have eyes in the back of my (very thin) head. Nah, they are sitting around being stored as I don't have enough space to assemble my PC (which has dual screens as I am a geek). There are in fact 3 screens in there, as my wife's PC is also sitting there without space to be set up as well

I try to post pics of what I have. With me eldar there is really no point to post until I have actually painted them. The majority of my BA's are up except whats unfinished or currently being worked on ( san guard, baal pred, rhino, typhoon, land raider, assault sqd, lemartes).

Yea I have to agree the real problem is the win lose scores that people put up. If they are all true I just want to know who is losing all these games?

DeJolly wrote:Yea I have to agree the real problem is the win lose scores that people put up. If they are all true I just want to know who is losing all these games?

This one. It's totally believable to have 10000 points of something. All that requires is Money > Time. I may well have about 7500 myself of IG (only about 4500 assembled, and 2000 or so painted), but when the 15 year old who lists on his about page that he's been playing for a year says he has a 120-0-5 W-L-D record with his Space Marines, you gotta call it into question. Honestly, I think it's an unnecessary metric. For one, are you so insecure in yourself you need to trumpet your win count? Does anyone honestly believe a completely unconfirmed metric like that? I mean, maybe if there was some viable way of tracking stats like that...

Side note, when you start off a post with the phrase "OK, this is sort of a rant?" - you can't later post innocent wonderment about how things unexpectedly got acrimonious.

To Ouze

A. Thats not what I said.
B. I am annoyed at people with Phantom Armies (yes, its a given people are reluctant to post up unpainted armies) but put in large claims in their signature blocks such as 10,000 pts of Eldar! Who are they kidding, it does not contribute to the hobby. I do not however wish to insult people who do post Army Profiles or Blogs or pictures. To see a member of Dakka with 2000 plus posts but no pictures, is like the guy in the corner of the room who talks about sex all day but is still a virgin. This is the cold hard truth, you don't like it feel free to argue your counter point.
c. Wonderment that things got Acrimonious? What ? I am not having a divorce! I was displaying genuine wonderment at many Dakka members contribution to this thread, the pictures of some large and wonderful armies are a real inspiration and in truth I was hoping to shape future Dakka's to not post signature Armies without some kind of image for us to admire. You need evidence in a court of law, do you not?
D. Why should you not have to justify yourself and your actions? Is it your right to say what you like, to whom you like, when you like, because you like? I say No, Racism, Sexism, is not acceptable yet under free speech it would be tolerated. Everyone takes responsibility for what they say, free speech is a fine ideal but racial tension, sexism, religion are all good reasons for moderation and tolerance.
I am not advocating any of the following.
1. Posting Army Pictures in your Signature block.
2. Banning the small symbols or posting your points in your signature block.
3. A link to your Army Profile.
4. The idea of Phantom Blogs.

Dakka has a perfectly good way of displaying your Army in an Army Profile.

[edit] Your Killa Kans with LEDS's look Awesome

mwnciboo wrote:To see a member of Dakka with 2000 plus posts but no pictures, is like the guy in the corner of the room who talks about sex all day but is still a virgin.

I can paint to a laughably passable touney standard. I have one pic posted (and it is not very good--and should probably be removed at this point as the model has been destroyed and rebuild entirely) with little odds of another image coming any time soon.

That said, I think the quote of yours I grabbed is a bit. . .off?
Slanted, or maybe biased is a better word.

Even so, I have a fair bit over 5k of playable painted Tyranids.
And am not a virgin.

mwnciboo wrote:I am annoyed at people with Phantom Armies (yes, its a given people are reluctant to post up unpainted armies) but put in large claims in their signature blocks such as 10,000 pts of Eldar! Who are they kidding, it does not contribute to the hobby.

40k is not an art class. It's a game. To some people, it's a more expensive, more immersive version of Axis and Allies. When it's done, you put the pieces away until you play again. I paint my stuff. Some people don't. It's not damaging the holy sanctity of the 'Hobby' to have the army you slapped three colors on to make it playable when all you're out to do is to play a game and have fun. Maybe that hypothetical person has never even hit the P&M forums (gasp!). They might only go to Tactics and YMDC. They might be an incredibly good player who offers profound and game changing advice. You don't think they 'contribute to the hobby'? Do you play against unpainted armies?

Think it is the phantom armies, Daedalus, not the unpainted ones that irritate

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Think it is the phantom armies, Daedalus, not the unpainted ones that irritate

Right. I suppose I made a logical leap that wasn't yet established, but I will argue that they're one in the same. If I've not painted my army, I don't care about my army aesthetically. If I'm not taking pride in how my army looks, why would I spend time taking pictures of it to show off on Dakka? However, perhaps I enjoy the more gaming related sections of the forum. Knowing how many points my max is and what my armies I play could offer further understanding on why I make the arguments I do.

I interpeted the thread to be against ficticious army lists.
Maybe that is an incorrect assumption on my part but it seemed to be about eg saying I have 5000pts of SW when in fact I would barely manage 500 and maybe a 1000 with count as SM's awaiting conversion

The issue is about insubstantiated claims, and this is where the unpainted theme comes in, as people may not wish to post pics of an unpainted army just to prove they have the points.
I nearly said unpainted minis is a grey area!

So your position is not being questioned as I see it.