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holy sweet jesus! please dear GOD have an emperor class titan in there that people can use

This game is going to be AMAZING.....

I play/ed WoW (haven't given up, but can't get 'addicted' to it, so don't play it enough, and despite spending probably £100+ on it, still don't have a max level character :( ) but this could really take over, after warhammer online was a bit of a flop, i think this one is being made to perfection and so far sounds perfect...

Nvs wrote:As for balancing a titan, it's easy. You make it only do 5 damage to a 100 hp human sized target. You make human sized targets do 1 damage to a million hp titan. And you call it a day. This way the vehicles go for vehicles. Humans go for humans.

In the article they mention that larger vehicles need multiple players to control all the weapons and drive it. So one person drives and the others shoot. In that regard the balance is between 3 or more players versus any one target. While that doesn't completely balance things, it is a component of balancing a titan. Also, we all know its something from the end game and not something you'll just pick up early on, so the extremes of its capabilities can be that much more extreme.

Who wants to start a titan legion?

I hardly ever say this about a game, but it sure does look very sweet visually.

Im a little iffy about a few things though. An economy always brings those gold farmers. Oh how I hate them. Hope they can work around this.

Leveling up. A reason I don't play MMO's. It can be soooo boring. Especially if you re-roll a new toon and have to go through the whole thing again. Something the future mmo "RIFT" has worked around.

Fighting in MMO's is never all that good IMO. You just press your buttons quickly and hope your gear is better then theirs.

Anyway, Im sure ill give it a go. Hopefully its good enough to stick with for a long time.

When it comes to gold farming, the biggest detriment to a game is that it puts a barrier to entry into the game for new players that perpetuates either a need for gold farmers or a new players reliance on some higher level benefactor. It steepens the learning curve and the raises the effort a new player has to exert to earn a sum of "gold" for whatever gear they want. Its just like in real life, excess money in an economy leads to inflation.

The problem is that alot of games don't do enough to drain money out of the economies of a game. Those that try to drain gold focus on in game items that are high price premium items, the problem with that is they tend to be so high priced it pushes people to resort to gold farming. The trick they've failed to grasp is that to drain gold they need players to spend moderately on a larger quantity of items or whatever else there is to spend gold.

If I had to pick the number one thing I'm excited about, it would have to be... Summer Glau. But if I had to pick the number one and number two things I was excited about, it would be Summer Glau and this game.


Level 5 tech priest, LFG in Snotling Canyon, PST

Ouze wrote:Level 5 tech priest, LFG in Snotling Canyon, PST

Sadly all you'll find is other Tech-Priests.

Anyone have any idea when it will be released?
Next year? or not that soon...

Its like very far away

Last I heard it was around 2012-13

When the time comes, we are going to have to gather up a dakka dakka army in this one.

As long as it isn't anything like that WFB one, it will do ok. It doesn't have to be a WOW clone, this is 40K, anything less then what we are expecting in 40K will cut its own throat. So far there are a lot of big talk about it, if even half of it comes to ground, it will be a cool game to try.

aka_mythos wrote:

Nvs wrote:As for balancing a titan, it's easy. You make it only do 5 damage to a 100 hp human sized target. You make human sized targets do 1 damage to a million hp titan. And you call it a day. This way the vehicles go for vehicles. Humans go for humans.

In the article they mention that larger vehicles need multiple players to control all the weapons and drive it. So one person drives and the others shoot. In that regard the balance is between 3 or more players versus any one target. While that doesn't completely balance things, it is a component of balancing a titan. Also, we all know its something from the end game and not something you'll just pick up early on, so the extremes of its capabilities can be that much more extreme.

I kind of wonder if stuff like Titans and such might be 'special events' or 'set pieces' that are intentionally limited... I.E. part of doing the So & So Quest chain involves a mission where you (and the guys with you) get to drive a titan through a battlefield. It's cool, but not something you can do at any time or in an open PVP context.

Still, they deserve credit for (apparently) not just trying to reskin WoW.

aka_mythos wrote:

Who wants to start a titan legion?

Oh - I do!

That would be fantastic!

Alpharius wrote:

aka_mythos wrote:

Who wants to start a titan legion?

Oh - I do!

That would be fantastic!

alpharius do you want to be an imperial guardsmen with me? We will hold hands and shoot lasguns at DAR while dash shoulders him out of the way to hit us in the face with a choppa

Ok, in the near future i will lose my social life...

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:Ok, in the near future i will lose my social life...

In the grim dark future, there is no pease only.... Raiding!

If they stick to the semi-FPS design philosophy that they're talking about now, I can see how a Titan could be balanced. For all that it is a tremendous war machine, it is also slow and unwieldy. Even seeing your feet, let alone dealing with a daring little Tech Priest thumping away with his Cog-Axe of Smiting may prove impossible. Your weapons can undoubtedly kill thousands, if they can be brought to bear. But tracking speed may be slow enough to make targeting individuals who are not in Titans problematic.

I'm thinking of Mechwarrior 2, back when a light mech really could dance circles around a much heavier opponent. It took skill on the part of the light mech or the assault mech to end that match without a good portion of luck.

That's pure speculation, but if they use dreads and Titans as standard player vehicles or builds, then it would be a handy way to balance their otherwise overwhelming advantage.

Gitzbitah wrote:If they stick to the semi-FPS design philosophy that they're talking about now, I can see how a Titan could be balanced. For all that it is a tremendous war machine, it is also slow and unwieldy. Even seeing your feet, let alone dealing with a daring little Tech Priest thumping away with his Cog-Axe of Smiting may prove impossible. Your weapons can undoubtedly kill thousands, if they can be brought to bear. But tracking speed may be slow enough to make targeting individuals who are not in Titans problematic.

I'm thinking of Mechwarrior 2, back when a light mech really could dance circles around a much heavier opponent. It took skill on the part of the light mech or the assault mech to end that match without a good portion of luck.

That's pure speculation, but if they use dreads and Titans as standard player vehicles or builds, then it would be a handy way to balance their otherwise overwhelming advantage.

Tracking is less of a problem if you have range on your side, depending on how far these can fire range could be a great asset

I absolutely agree- but slow tracking could be a limiting factor when nothing else will equal your range, firepower, or toughness. Dexterity and recharge time are about the only ways left to favor the poor footsoldier.

I'd love big clumsy Titans with guns that could kill swathes of enemies, but needed to be blocked from ground assaults by their loyal retainers.

Kurgash wrote:O.O WorldEaters!? I'm sold.

Nice that they are going for cult troops, and not just "standards". Should be very cool.

What do you reckon the chances are of them including other superheavies? I'm holding out for the baneblade.

Also, dibs on gunner!

Ennkay wrote:alpharius do you want to be an imperial guardsmen with me? We will hold hands and shoot lasguns at DAR while dash shoulders him out of the way to hit us in the face with a choppa

Yeah... Enkay do that, Alpharius and I will need the blood of fodder to lubricate our titan's joints.

Balance wrote:

aka_mythos wrote: In the article they mention that larger vehicles need multiple players to control all the weapons and drive it...

I kind of wonder if stuff like Titans and such might be 'special events' or 'set pieces' that are intentionally limited... I.E. part of doing the So & So Quest chain involves a mission where you (and the guys with you) get to drive a titan through a battlefield. It's cool, but not something you can do at any time or in an open PVP context.

They say that its intended for PVE and PVP battlezones... in the language of MMO's that kinda implies its not restricted to quests or events. I think withint the context of 40k, they may pull something similar to a point balancing mechanic where they restrict each side to some "point" value for a battlezone... or maybe where it spawns things to compensate for overly one sided battles.

When the guild Legio Praetor shows up in titans to fight the cult of Crusty Toe-nails... a single nurgle devotee... what will the game do?

I tend to think titans should be so far out into the endgame, seeing them won't happen that often.

I like the idea of including Titans, but something tell me we will have to put ourselves in the mindset of "movie marines" where the idea of a high level marines soloing a titan is possible... taking multiple plasma shots... even if they really shouldn't be.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Oh, and if we can keep the "It's a Tech-Priest!!!!1" chatter to a minimum this time, that'd be great!

Seconded.

I hope they have more than 2 factions, that causes one to always steamroll the other and never a good scrap, was it Planetscape that had 3, so 2 would fight over an area then the third would join in and would make the battles flow nicely and fun.

Gitzbitah wrote: Even seeing your feet, let alone dealing with a daring little Tech Priest thumping away with his Cog-Axe of Smiting may prove impossible.

That's a +1 Cog-Axe of Smiting, sir. I didn't spend 2 hours in Loota Gulch farming Ork teef for you to disparage it.

Ouze wrote:

Gitzbitah wrote: Even seeing your feet, let alone dealing with a daring little Tech Priest thumping away with his Cog-Axe of Smiting may prove impossible.

That's a +1 Cog-Axe of Smiting, sir. I didn't spend 2 hours in Loota Gulch farming Ork teef for you to disparage it.

Pfft, the greens from the Newest Darkest Millennium expansion are so much better than the epics from Gulch.

on a side note, I truly hope they eventually allow other races. I'd imagine it must be awesome playing as a Ork Tankbusta - when I used to play UT2004, I like nothing better then crusing around with my AVRiL, cracking vehicles.

Why would you think Orks aren't playable?

They've been saying, since the very beginning, that Orks are playable.

The only two races they've said that likely will not be made playable make perfect sense. Necrons and Tyranids really have no business being playable, and there's no wiggle room for a Death Knight-esque solution with either.

I know it will all be balanced, so every race is better at something, worse at something else, but what do you think will be your favourite race?
I'm thinking Eldar might be quite fun....

The idea of team titan PVP matches is REALLY cool. I would love to have me and 2-3 of my friends running around a titan, shooting various things and fighting that we are going the wrong way and screwing up my volcano cannon shots. That would make a really fantastic dynamic for team pvp. Seriously.

Kanluwen wrote:Why would you think Orks aren't playable?

They've been saying, since the very beginning, that Orks are playable.

The only two races they've said that likely will not be made playable make perfect sense. Necrons and Tyranids really have no business being playable, and there's no wiggle room for a Death Knight-esque solution with either.

Well if the game is sucessful enough Tyranid Invasion? Would only need to be on 1 world plus they can always add planets, and cmon who wouldent want to run around as a Genestealer?

Necrons same kind of thing its a sector, sectors are pretty big