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I do much prefer painted armies (i'm sure we all do).

I wouldn't tell an opponent what she/he should do, not really my place. Equally an oppentent telling me what was and wasn't allowed would get a flea in their ear if they told me what was what.

I have only actually played one game where an opponent has had bare metal mini and he was new to the game which is fair enough.

Personally I find it a but embarassing fielding an unpainted army when confronted with one that is. My first foray into 5ed 40k [since 2nd ed btw] was the Dakka Silver Sorcerer event last year and despite may best efforts I went with an unfinished IG army - all undercoated but only 50% with basecoats/detailing, non finished.

For me allot of this hobby is the spectacle so when confronted by awesome armies like Panic Kan Wall, ArbitorIan's Demons (Booooo!) or TitanPrincept's UMs over the tables at Warhammer World, you just think 'I'm not really showing myself in the best light here'. Suffice to say allot more work went into my force for the next event!

Luco wrote:There are fully painted armies in the world? Oh my. I've only ever played against 1 and seen maybe 3 ever at the store.

It seems you're mistaken Luco, those 3 armies were clearly just a small section of a much larger army that was simply too large to field at that points level. As such the unpainted ones were culled from the match.

I'm with a few other on this, I'd prefer to see a painted army, but I don't really mind.

I don't field unpainted models. I' prefer my opponents not to but I don't insist on it. (I'll play against un-painted over an army with proxies any day)

I personally only add something to my army when i have painted it,its just a quirk in the way i set about assembling and painting the minis.Against me,i am not bothered.They may be kids who want to play the game more than paint or some are ( older gamers ) hating the whole idea of painting a mini and just assemble them to play.In the end its a personal thing,i am just happy to get a game or 3.

wolfshadow wrote:

Flashman wrote:Ideally painted, but realistically you'd never play any games. There just aren't enough people out there with the patience to paint an entire army. I know a GW store manager who says he doesn't own a painted army (although that's because he enjoys painting and spends too much time on each mini).

Sometimes we introduce a house rule saying that continually unpainted models are subject to penalities (such as stupidity), but needless to say, not everyone is up for that.

I really disagree with that statement. There was no problem finding people to play with when the local store had the 3 color policy. Even 12 year old kids could meet the minimum standard fairly easily.

Your disagreement is noted.

I detest painting, so only a handful of models in my army even have paint (apart from spray undercoat) on them.

I've had 2 total games since about April last year, one 1.5k 40k game and one 1k WHFB game; I have also neither bought nor assembled any further models in that space of time; that is how much spare time I have on my hands. Since I prefer to play far more than I prefer to colour in a model, my free time for Warhammer goes into building and subsequently playing.

I'll allow anything as long as it has the right base and similar stature to what it's meant to represent; life's too short and busy to be picky.

wolfshadow wrote:Dude, you'll get better information from the tutorial section here than most modelling groups.

Normally I would agree with you, but 2 members of my group are professional artists, so I think I am in good hands...

I can't stand to field unpainted models... but hey, who am i to judge if the other guy is just too busy to have time to paint? I am painfully aware of how long it can take to paint - my OCD ass has been painting a Skaven army for three editions now. And I'm still not done...

Wow, I see a few places actually require basing? All of my minis are painted (though there have been times when I have fielded a WIP model) but not a single one is based and I have no plans to do such. I know tournaments tend to require painting but what about basing at tournaments? My FLGS really doesn't care about paint jobs (a small prize is given for best painted but there is no requirement).

As to the subject of the Thread, I prefer to play w/ painted minis but I enjoy the game far too much to snub someone because they didn't paint. Heck, I even played a game last week against some eldar who most of his tanks were paper cut outs.

I dont like feilding my models unpainted, and i dont minde if my opponent has not painted theris, but next time i play them they need to have about 40% more of their models painted or i give em a word.

I try to have my models painted before i play with them, and i really like those games when both armies are fully painted and on a fully painted and flocked table, but i would never hold my opponent to the same standard because frankly its his army, his time and his money.

Although I think a lot of people think painting to a tabletop standard is way harder than it really is, i see a lot of the guys in my shop with partially painted armies who do try to take the time to paint but end up taking 8-10 hours just to paint one guardsmen. of course youll never get done at that rate and the whole prospect seems really intimidating. It doesnt have to be a masterpiece just slap a basecoat a couple of secondary colors and then a wash and your army will look great in no time. will it win best painted awards, probably not but youll have a great looking army on the table rather quickly.

Do i hate playing against unpainted models? Yes
Do i try and field a fully painted force? Yes
Will i refuse to play against someone with unpainted minis? NO.

I love seeing fully painted miniatures in battle, and in my mind i will be annoyed if my opponent hasn't put in the effort. I keep it too myself however just in case one day i desperately want to try out a unit i have hastily assembled. I do however dislike consistently unpainted/unassembled miniatures, i will drop hints if they havent painted them for several games, 'Oh still haven't done those terminiators?' etc. If they give an excuse such as 'unsure what weapon combination' i will not be pleased (why should i be a guinea pig?). Plus i really HATE indecision (probably because i am abnormally impulsive).

As for proxies i would prefer to fight a fully painted force of them as long as they weren't too ragtag. For example if the opponent was playing guard using ww2 tanks, those greatcoat knockoff guys and some napeolonic stuff all to roughly the right scale i would have no problem. If he was using numerous miniatures of many races to represent a completely different one i would take issue and prefer they used unpainted stuff for the correct army.

I think a subcategory could be:
How do you feel playing on 'pile of books' terrain?
I can never inspire myself to make terrain.

Personally, I try to have fully painted figures, but the trade off for a lot of people is "hold out for painted figures but not get any games in" vs. "actually get to play WH40K, even if it means unpainted figures"

To be completely honest back in the states when I could play, I was mostly playing with a lot of military, so people were never around long or were forced into a time crunch, like myself and could not always field a fully painted army. We all play the game for fun, so in the end I guess it really revolves around who you play with, because I really have no personal opinion in this situation.

a small waagh wrote:I dont like feilding my models unpainted, and i dont minde if my opponent has not painted theris, but next time i play them they need to have about 40% more of their models painted or i give em a word.

The point where someone 'has a word' with me for not painting my models is when i'll usually tell them to sod off and i'll find another opponent. Of course, i'll always ask if you want to paint my models for me since you want it done so badly, but there's no way i'm paying; after all, only you'd gain any benefit.

If people don't want to play against my unpainted army, they're more than welcome; what they're not welcome to do is call me out on what I choose to do with the army I paid for and assembled. Either choose not to play me or keep your gob shut, because the second i'm told what I can and cannot do with my army based on their own desires is the second they get put on my 'A**hole' list.

Like others said, I'd rather see it painted. But if its between someone just throwing paint on them to say they are. . .just leave them bare until you want to spend time on them.

Fully Painted Armies on Apocalypse = Win.

It does not really bother me considering it is just a game, and games should be played for fun.

At the same token I encourage my friends and opponents to field everything they have. I will say "Dude you army will look awesome once it is painted."

Like most on here, I like seeing painted armies, and I take pride in my own painted (not beautiful or anything) figs. That being said, yes I occasionally field unpainted because, hey, life gets in the way of playtime. I play with a great game group and everyone seems to do things to the best of their ability. When I recently hosted a (very) small tourney, we had prizes for 1,2,3, and the princess award (so called because my daughter picked the winner) that was an award to the best looking army to reward the time and effort spent to field a good looking army.
I would rather play against an unpainted army fielded by a skilled, fun opponent than a beautiful painted one fielded by a tool. Its great to reward the effort but the opponent and their attitude is what makes it for me.

Painted is better but I would rather play unpainted than not at all. With the turnover in the hobby it just limits my gaming opportunities if I don't play unpainted armies.

I like seeing painted armies, and as all of my 40K armies are painted I do like seeing them face off against other painted armies. However, I understand that it's my opponent's models and time, and I'm not going to refuse to play him/drop hints/etc. If he doesn't want to paint them, or whatever, that's his prerogative.

I remember when GW didn't allow unpainted armies. There were a lot of angry 8 year olds, complaining that their base-sprayed SM chapters aught to be allowed...

Personally, I don't care. I don't field my own army unless it is painted, because I am a 'known painter' in my local area, and I wouldn't want to embarrass myself by having unpainted models on my side. But for other people? It doesn't matter, so long as we are all having fun.

(I will admit, though, that I would rather play an unpainted army than be up against one that looks like it has been attacked by half a paint set in a super soaker. I just find it very distracting. :( )

KRUDD wrote:Lets get a discussion going, Do you allow non painted models on your tables?

Generally when we play we dont, all models MUST have 3 colors on them, how about you? Im talking friendly at your place, and even your LGS. I dont mind bases not being done, but models should be painted

You don't sound very fun to play with.

Honestly, I can't imagine how you can tell me I need 3+ colors on my 100 Gors, and then all my other monsters and such.

I prime them black, wash them with deep purple, and then apply a light purple wash...that's it.

I really would like to game against a fully painted army, instead of a half painted army that they refuse to paint. But, oh well.

malfred wrote:I don't "allow" anything. They're not my models.

Well said Malfred.

I think if someone wont play another simply because the guy doesnt paint or hasnt finished his army, is a total douche and doesnt deserve to be played. Personal view there though.

KingCracker wrote:I think if someone wont play another simply because the guy doesnt paint or hasnt finished his army, is a total douche and doesnt deserve to be played. Personal view there though.

So now we're telling people how they should enjoy the game?

This basically goes in circles, KC. If people don't mind playing against unpainted models/proxied armies/whatever, it's one thing, but saying what you did is basically doing the same discrimination they're being accused of doing. What we allow or not to be used in a miniatures' game doesn't make us douches, it just means different people have different ways of enjoying the various parts of our beloved hobby.

Painting is just one part of the game.

Destrado wrote:

KingCracker wrote:I think if someone wont play another simply because the guy doesnt paint or hasnt finished his army, is a total douche and doesnt deserve to be played. Personal view there though.

So now we're telling people how they should enjoy the game?

This basically goes in circles, KC. If people don't mind playing against unpainted models/proxied armies/whatever, it's one thing, but saying what you did is basically doing the same discrimination they're being accused of doing. What we allow or not to be used in a miniatures' game doesn't make us douches, it just means different people have different ways of enjoying the various parts of our beloved hobby.

I think you missed where he said it was his personal view. Fair enough if he said it was true, but he didn't, so I don't see why you're getting up in arms over someone else's personal opinion.

If I put personal opinion in mine, would it be any different? I'm not getting "up in arms", I'm just, y'know, talking about it.

Didn't intend it to come out as snarky, if it appeared so, then I apologize.

KRUDD wrote:Lets get a discussion going,

No, let's not. We've had it a dozen times before already.