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I might do a bit of good natured ribbing if I've played someone a number of times and there's been no attempt at painting done,but honestly it's not that big a deal.
I prefer to completely paint an army before I put it one the table,and it's nice to square off against a painted army as well...but hey,I didn't buy your minis for you and it's really none of my business if you paint them or not.

augustus5 wrote:

malfred wrote:I don't "allow" anything. They're not my models.

Well said Malfred.

Thanks. It only took me ten+ years to come up with that one.

I prefer playing against painted armies, however most of my armies are WiP to a certain degree so in the end i really don't care too much. The thing that really gets me is when a character isn't painted and just is stuck in with other models that are all primed the same color.

Tournament wise i could once again care less, I only play at the local tournaments and they have a comp/painting scoring section so it doesn't bother me.

I recognize that people like to take their time painting their models so as to make them look good and therefore they do not want to rush them just for the sake of having them painted to play with. I'm totally willing to let people use unpainted models, especially since I do it quite often myself.

Heh, I just got 3000 points of Tau in the mail today (mostly unpainted). I am NOT going to wait until I have them all painted to play them. My space marines however are all painted up and ready to go.

I used to be strict on not allowing myself to play unpainted models. However a wife and kid later, and a slowly growing skill at better and more daring projects, has found me occasionally fielding unpainted, mid-construction models in order to play test them.

I honestly don't care for painted or otherwise as long as there is a competent general on the other side of the table to make a game of it.

My old gaming group used to be very for painting everything before you put it on the table. On average for the group, the painting standard was tabletop and better. But things have slipped, and now they are just "what ever" with 3+ colors more of an average.

My standard for myself is to have everything painted before it hits the table. Only exception is when practicing a list for a tournament and the unit/model is waiting to get finished.

Painting used to be a chore to get done so I could get a game in. Now that I have multiple armies, I don't feel it is a chore anymore. Now I enjoy the time I paint and look foward to it.

I'd rather everything was painted, but I'm both a slow and terrible painter, so I don't mind allowing unpainted/partially painted models in a game as long as they're clearly progressing from game to game (That primered Kroot squad being base coated next time for example)

Personally, I dont mind if my opponent has unpainted or badly painted models.

However, when i started this hobby, i decided that if it was within my power, i would not field an unpainted model or a partially assembled model.

To me, when I see unpainted/unfinished models, I automatically think "that person doesnt care about thier models"

I do not want people saying/thinking that about me

Obsidian Raven wrote:Personally, I dont mind if my opponent has unpainted or badly painted models.

However, when i started this hobby, i decided that if it was within my power, i would not field an unpainted model or a partially assembled model.

To me, when I see unpainted/unfinished models, I automatically think "that person doesnt care about thier models"

I do not want people saying/thinking that about me

Also, due to the way I paint/assemble my models... If its assembled, its painted, to at least 3 color min standerd, if not further.

I don't care. I have many demands on my time and I know most other people do too so I understand anyone not having a fully painted force. Basically, it's a game and my escape. If pressure is interjected into it, then it becomes a job and I already have one of those. Plus, I like to take my time and wouldn't be happy with basic, low quality, rushed work (uncolored plastic is better than a bad paintjob). With that said I can understand limiting tournament play to painted models only, friendly games no.

I'm sorry but unpainted plastic is NEVER better than a bad paintjob. That's possibly the worst attitude to take, Is this thread about 'well painted miniatures'? No, it's about painted miniatures (and by painted i infer from the context that it means beyond primer). I know it's verging on patronising but the least you can do is appreciate (and encourage) the time and effort someone has put into painting their miniatures. On a side note it seems at the rate i am painting my current force i will have unpainted units for a while to come! :-(

Perkustin wrote:I'm sorry but unpainted plastic is NEVER better than a bad paintjob. That's possibly the worst attitude to take, Is this thread about 'well painted miniatures'? No, it's about painted miniatures (and by painted i infer from the context that it means beyond primer). I know it's verging on patronising but the least you can do is appreciate (and encourage) the time and effort someone has put into painting their miniatures. On a side note it seems at the rate i am painting my current force i will have unpainted units for a while to come! :-(

I was talking about the standards I set for myself. I PERSONALLY don't want to field minis that I'm not satisfied with. I don't care what you are anyone else fields which is what I thought I related it my post, but I guess not. At any rate don't rush to the assumption that I'm a@@holish enough to insult someone's paintjobs.

I think a better question might have been "do you ever field unpainted models". I think the vast majority of people will not disallow an opponent from fielding unpainted minis just to be friendly regardless of their preferences or personal policy.

I won't field anything not painted to my standard. My friends models are permanently primed black. Why should I "punish" my friend for not caring very much about this game? I'm not going to convince him to paint his marines any more then he'll paint his monopoly tokens. But, it's still fun playing with him... seems like a dumb reason to drum a friend out of playing with me. All loss and no gain.

I actually like the look of black models, not as much as painted but it's my second favourite! THE SHADOW WARRIORS ATTACK!!!

I do, but only because my army isn't fully painted. If I had a bunch painted up, I might be a little more strict.

I like to take my time painting each model. I would rather do my models to a better standard in my own time than rush to get 3 colours minimum.

Also, every so often I do a bit of converting of an already completed model so suddenly there is unpainted/undercoated blobs on the model until I get around to painting it properly.

I think I will never be finished. To me this is part of the hobby. Moreover, I have 4 WIP armies.

Therefore who am I to demand painted armies only?

If I was playing a tournament, I would only field a finished army and expect the same from opposition, if not a tourno prerequiste already. Friendly game? No fuss.

If your going to spend the money on the figs why not at least try to paint the basic three colors. I don't care if people play with unpainted it is 1/2 assembled that drives me CRAZY!

Mike

Yeah, I gotta admit that partially assembled models really bug the crap outa me too.

At least put together enough of it so I can tell what it is, please!

What I find interesting in these types of threads and discussions is that many of the people that demand painted models often play said painted armies on some ugly ass tables.

They have an issue with someone's unpainted army "dispelling the illusion" or whatever but yet the table they are playing on has a brown board with two mis-matched hills (one painted in a snow scheme), some crumbling foam "buildings" some random fish tank plants and a plastic tower from a discount toy castle...



If your gonna demand painted armies you better have a lavish table with themed and matched terrain properly and fully painted and based, etc.


I also love stores that demand painted forces for events, yet their tables look like complete garbage.

Otherwise the complaints ring a little hollow and reek of paint snobbery...

I personally don't care if my opponent has an unpainted model(s) in their list. Not everyone appreciates every aspect of the game, and I don't see that as a reason why I should judge them or discourage others from playing with them. I personally like to field only models I've painted, but that's more of a personal pride I have with my painting skills. Not to say that I'm an amazing painter, but I think my stuff is more than tabletop worthy. And yes, I do base and flock my models as well. I don't consider the model to be 100% complete unless it is.

Most of those I play against have their armys in various states on completion! So I dont mind if there are un-painted minis on the table... as long as I can tell what it is!

CT GAMER wrote:If your gonna demand painted armies you better have a lavish table with themed and matched terrain properly and fully painted and based, etc.

Like this?

Scott-S6 wrote:

CT GAMER wrote:If your gonna demand painted armies you better have a lavish table with themed and matched terrain properly and fully painted and based, etc.

Like this?

Anyone can pull a pic or two off the interwebz, but that proves nothing as the vast majrity of people do not have tables like that and do not put anywhere nere as much attention into terrain/tables as they demand for models, and i see people all the time playing painted armies on tables that are awful.

Go browse through even the tourney coverage threads on just this site alone and you will see plenty of painted armies (Many of the events depicted require them) playing on god-awful tables.


Yes that tablle you pictured is nice, and certainly above average, but if one wanted to take the attitude of the paint snobs it could be said that it is rather monotone and undetailed and certainly rather unrealistic considering that it depicts ruined urban structures yet the ground is completely clean and depicts no rubble.

Paint natzis demand based figs but unbased terrain is ok? Kind of proves my point...

I personally have no objection to unpainted forces and will play with and against them, but I find the common hypocricy that I mentioned entertaining and telling...

KRUDD wrote:Good points, i like to see the models painted when they come out to play, my LGS when i lived in NY wouldnt allow you to play unless models had 2+ colors and your bases were flocked

Which LGS is that? Because I want to make sure I never frequent that or you at my table in my travels, living in NY.

I don't mind whether they're painted or not.

Most of my models are painted and or primed anyways. So it shouldn't be a problem, and I've yet to run into "That F'n Guy" TFG.

For our regular gamer group nights? We always allow it.

CT GAMER wrote:

Scott-S6 wrote:

CT GAMER wrote:If your gonna demand painted armies you better have a lavish table with themed and matched terrain properly and fully painted and based, etc.

Like this?

Anyone can pull a pic or two off the interwebz, but that proves nothing as the vast majrity of people do not have tables like that and do not put anywhere nere as much attention into terrain/tables as they demand for models, and i see people all the time playing painted armies on tables that are awful.

Go browse through even the tourney coverage threads on just this site alone and you will see plenty of painted armies (Many of the events depicted require them) playing on god-awful tables.


Yes that tablle you pictured is nice, and certainly above average, but if one wanted to take the attitude of the paint snobs it could be said that it is rather monotone and undetailed and certainly rather unrealistic considering that it depicts ruined urban structures yet the ground is completely clean and depicts no rubble.

Scott-S6 can probably help you get some of that terrain if you need it.. The roads come in normal condition, but you can dirty thm up and destroy them however you like.

I appreciate it when people have their army painted. I myself can't actually field a painted army. I love to paint, but am extremely slow at it, and batch painting scares me Thus I only have 7.5% of my army painted and rarely get around to it.

Let's face it: a primer grey army looks better than someone who can't paint slapping on 3 colors over an unprimed model. Which is cleaner to look at across the table? I try to field only painted models, and get lots of compliments on them, but I won't judge someone on whether they've painted their entire army.

Really though, this is a game, and it's hard enough to find enough people to play that aren't douches. Who cares?

Tourney's? Fine, they should be painted if the rules stipulate it. Friendly games though? What happens when someone want's to proxy something to test it out before investing in the models? Is that against the rules in friendly games? You won't let a friend try out something new?