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Pretty excited about this stuff!

Only thing I plan on putchasing immediately is a single plague toad (to pull my beastmen shaman chariot) and the book. Maybe a troll or two as unit filler for my gors and ungor hordes, to give them a more menacing look.

I'm genuinely curious about the book though, from what I gathered the overall plot (of the 3 or 4 book series) that was discussed at the Games Days was borderline apocalyptic, killing long time special characters, running rampant throughout the warhammer world, advancing the game worlds plot and bringing about the end times. And that was supposedly one of the reasons for Rick Priestly's leaving/canned, as it progessed the world that "management" wanted to stay static. I hope it doesn't turn into a rehash of the Storm of Chaos story. Only dude that died in that was Valten, who oddly enough got a series of 3 or 4 decent miniatures dedicated to him prior to his death. WTF was that? Anyway, my main worry is that the plot will get dumbed down. But on the other hand, the replacement author did a nice job with the Badab books, so I'm cautiously optimistic that it will be an interesting story. Fingers crossed.

Looking forward to some more chaos dwarf goodies!

I like how there is a picture but no actual mention of Chaos Dwarfs.

The Bull-Centaur also appears to be laughing at us.

plastictrees wrote:The Bull-Centaur also appears to be laughing at us.

He's anticipating the money pile.

Also, he finds the foam coming from our mouths high-larious.

Anybody else noticed that the first pre-order models are actually "cheap" ?

Normal chaos trolls cost 3*13,80 £ = 41,40 £ (same for the ogres)
FW plague trolls or ogres cost (for 3) 43 £

Platuan4th wrote:

plastictrees wrote:The Bull-Centaur also appears to be laughing at us.

He's anticipating the money pile.

Also, he finds the foam coming from our mouths high-larious.

Too true - on all counts.

I really need to start saving NOW for all the Empire and Chaos Dwarf stuff I will soon be 'forced' to buy...

I cant help seeing those toads as a three stage animation from left to right. Also note the toads are demons and 40k has demon armies.... btw does anyone know what size base they are on? 40 or 50 mm?

p.s. re those chaos warriors - does anyone else find it suspicious that the recent reissues are almost all Jes Goodwin sculpts?

MeanGreenStompa wrote:I think the nurgle sculpting is fairly lazy... Contraversial I know but it's just a bit like someone's gone overboard with plastic cement and spikes. The plague toads resemble something in a solid mould, like a garden ornament.

I am also totally bored of it.

WTH haven't we seen more Slaanesh and Tzeentch sculpts yet? It's always bloody Nugle and Khorne. The bias is very annoying.


I am however, very excited to see the Empire (Marienburg? please please...) land ship and keeping my fingers crossed for a Marienburg army list.

Aye I'd agree, Nurgle especially is becoming very old hat at FW, and I'd assume it's picked for the same reason I have half a Nurgle CSM army, as its very forgiving to sculpt.

Hopefully more Chaos God love for Tzeentch will happen, but I do think, like with the Imperium in 40K, the Empire will see a lot of love over Warhammer Forge's run of models, and I'll be keeping an eye on stuff they bring out.

One good model or unit could be the kickstart to me returning to the Empire. Upgrade packs for certain States would be of special interest for sure.

Regardless, nice to see it finally getting a move on and putting models out there.

Considering each book is supposed to be focusing on a specific "front" of a worldwide Chaos Invasion(with each Power's forces attacking a specific area)...

Slaanesh and Tzeentch are supposed to be getting alot of love.

Kroothawk wrote:Seems like they are updateing the website right now:

Nurgle Bile Trolls http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer/Warhammer_Monsters/NURGLE-BILE-TROLLS.html


Nurgle Plague Ogres: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer/Warhammer_Monsters/NURGLE-PLAGUE-OGRES.html


"Buy Now" button for a release date of 31st January!

Rest will come pretty soon I guess: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer/Warhammer_Monsters

TobyDog wrote:On the #3 that is most likely all due to Rick P. leaving the company in Sept- Oct of last year as many now know.

Well, therefore the , still unfair.

i could use them in my ork army

I hope it's not too focused on a narrow selection of factions.

I heard the chaos dwarf line was all but scraped.

Oh Hashut, is that a Bull Centaur!?

I do like the dude on the nurgle monster. with a few mods it would make a great lizardman mount for a carnosaur. where does the picture come from? I dont see it on the fw site or pricing.

cgage00 wrote:I heard the chaos dwarf line was all but scraped.

Heard where?

Last we heard, FW wasn't 'allowed' to do blocks of infantry, as GW might someday (hopefully!) re-inrtroduce them, so instead they will be focusing on war machines and, apparently?, Bull Centaur cavalry (although more likely just a Special Character).

The original plan for the books covered all 4 Chaos Gods and a good selection of contrahents. We will see how much of that survived Rick's departure.

BTW the first experimental rules are up:
Plague Toad: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/p/Plague-Toad.pdf
Bile Trolls: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/b/Bile-Trolls.pdf

Alpharius wrote:

cgage00 wrote:I heard the chaos dwarf line was all but scraped.

Heard where?

Last we heard, FW wasn't 'allowed' to do blocks of infantry, as GW might someday (hopefully!) re-inrtroduce them, so instead they will be focusing on war machines and, apparently?, Bull Centaur cavalry (although more likely just a Special Character).

It wasn't even so much that FW wasn't "allowed" to do blocks of infantry, so much as Forge World couldn't feasibly think of a way to make any form of affordable "army" in the sense of scope and scale that WHFB is moving towards in 8th Edition.

They would have had to have cut down on details for cost, or just done conversion kits for the plastic Dwarf kits(which would, imo, have been a far bigger copout than just releasing warmachines to go along with the Warriors of Chaos).

cgage00 wrote:I heard the chaos dwarf line was all but scraped.

Grimstonefire wrote:Between various comments I've heard I'm fairly hopeful that by the end of the releases for the second book there should be enough Chaos Dwarf models to build a full army.

That's not to say that they would be specifically designed as such (for instance taking blunderbussers off a wagon and making a unit etc), or that they would actually have a stand alone list in the second book.

IF by the second book there are enough models that people could theoretically make core units, and some lord/ hero choices, I will be organising a campaign to get people to email loads of times and respecfully ask that WF put them all into a single pdf list on their own (with the proviso that all the rules to use them are in the 1st/2nd books and that it may not be balanced as it was not designed to be a stand alone list).

It's not exactly like they actually need to have models to represent all entries in the list anyway. They could put standard CD warriors in for instance.

Kanluwen wrote:

Alpharius wrote:

cgage00 wrote:I heard the chaos dwarf line was all but scraped.

Heard where?

Last we heard, FW wasn't 'allowed' to do blocks of infantry, as GW might someday (hopefully!) re-inrtroduce them, so instead they will be focusing on war machines and, apparently?, Bull Centaur cavalry (although more likely just a Special Character).

It wasn't even so much that FW wasn't "allowed" to do blocks of infantry, so much as Forge World couldn't feasibly think of a way to make any form of affordable "army" in the sense of scope and scale that WHFB is moving towards in 8th Edition.

They would have had to have cut down on details for cost, or just done conversion kits for the plastic Dwarf kits(which would, imo, have been a far bigger copout than just releasing warmachines to go along with the Warriors of Chaos).

I'm not sure how cutting details would reduce the cost of manufacturing for a kit. They do deathkorps already, for example and that's well detailed etc.

With Death Korps it's a hugely different story though.

People would buy Death Korps even if there wasn't an army list to be used.

With Chaos Dwarves? I, personally, don't see that happening.

Given that the Plague Toads are Daemons, I wonder If they'll ever appear in 40k.

While I do enjoy some of the Nurgle Models by Forgeworld, primarily the Death Guard kits, and alot of the Khornate stuff is cool. I would like most others like to see Tzeentch and Slaanesh get some attention.

Kanluwen wrote:With Death Korps it's a hugely different story though.

People would buy Death Korps even if there wasn't an army list to be used.

With Chaos Dwarves? I, personally, don't see that happening.

Yes, we understand how you, personally, don't see it as you seem to enjoy peeing in the cornflakes of everyone that would like to see it!

That, of course, doesn't mean it won't happen!

The Kan has spoken!

We are not allowed to have Chaos Dwarves.

This matter is closed!

All hail the Kan, for he is mighty and wise and knows exactly what we should and should not have even better than we do.

*salutes the Kan*

Alpharius wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:With Death Korps it's a hugely different story though.

People would buy Death Korps even if there wasn't an army list to be used.

With Chaos Dwarves? I, personally, don't see that happening.

Yes, we understand how you, personally, don't see it as you seem to enjoy peeing in the cornflakes of everyone that would like to see it!

That, of course, doesn't mean it won't happen!

No, I don't see it happening from a purely financial aspect.

Look at how hard it is to get people to accept the Imperial Armour army lists like Elysians/Death Korps. And bear in mind that both of those are just minor divergences from the standard Codex list. Now, keep that in your head while you think about this next part.

Chaos Dwarves? They would exclusively be one of those army lists.

Death Korps/Elysians both have a financial base and proven potential interested base(in Imperial Guard players, who can use the majority of the models produced without needing to use those army lists). Chaos Dwarves have no cushion like that to fall back on and pad their sales with.

Personal prediction:
Best case scenario? Warhammer 8th Edition gets an "officially published" Chaos Dwarf list, and Forge World produces models.
Worst case scenario? Forge World does a limited range of Chaos Dwarf stuff now as a measuring stick to gauge interest, and when "Warriors of Chaos" are redone the book is converted to "Followers of the Dark Gods" and Chaos Dwarves are packaged in alongside the rest of the mortal followers of the Dark Gods.


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Bear in mind, Alph: I'm not saying it will never ever ever ever happen.

I'm saying that I can't see it happening right now, especially with how crummy 8th Edition has been doing so far.

Why would GW take a risk on that?

They really have dropped the ball with WFB 8th, haven't they?

It hasn't seemed to bring in the new players, and it has, apparently, alienated a lot of the veterans, and veterans and older players seem to make up the bulk of WFB players, in my experience!

Not good!

I saw the Chaos Dwarf Juggernaut, an entirely metal kit with a small howdah/wheeled tower pushed by a single dwarf centaur, sell for £1130 on ebay.

Don't ask me why, the model is ugly as sin imo.

But the market is certainly there.

I do think they would be better served creating a few pieces for each existing army though and then, once Warhammer Forge is established and perhaps the economy is a mite improved, then release the Forge only armies, like the Chaos Dwarves... and perhaps the Fimir... and then maybe the Nipponese...

Who wrote 8th Ed? I know they all wrote it - such a big book can't exactly have one writer - but who is credited with the main writing of it?

Ooooh, me likee the dragon. Shame it makes my wallet cry like a school girl.

I can't imagine how anyone is supposed to haul around a Plague Dragon, and I can see some issue in the keeping the tongue intact.

The Plague toads do have their charm, but I am mighty disappointed with the trolls and ogres. The issue with Fantasy if that it is imperitive to sacrifice detail for the ability to fit side-by-side on rank-and-file models. The issue with trolls and ogres is that they are quite tall models and as such don't have a lot of room to pose their arms and still perfectly fit base-to-base. I just don't get my usual urge to empty my bank account to get these models, which is my usual reaction to any new FW release.

I would love to see maybe in the future the Lizardmen getting at least one large model from the Forge

*crosses fingers for thunder lizard*