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MeanGreenStompa wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:including the ‘Marienburg’ Land Ship, the elite Blades of Mannan .

Thank you very much... time to start auctioning a kidney then...

I'll pay you $5 for that kidney sight unseen. Not that I need one but you never know when it may come in handy. As for the models, I like them but what I'm most excited about is the fact that there will be rules for combining the 3 chaos factions at some point. I may even dust off my old Nurgle army when this happens.

I definitely would be interested in centaurs. I really want to make an all cavalry WoC list, or possibly Centaur-bretonians. With little satyr peasants... hmmmm

Dunno if anyone else has brought this up...but...

What's New Today 26th Jan wrote:Tamurkhan: The Throne of Chaos will be the first in a series of expansion books for Warhammer, and as you can see from the fantastic cover art, it promises to be very dark and sinister. While the book's primary focus is on Chaos, there's plenty in there for every Warhammer hobbyist with loads of new background to read. The book also promises to unite the three factions of Chaos: Warriors, Beastmen and Daemons, providing you with the rules to use all three in one all-conquering army.

PRAISE THE LORD!

Mr Mystery wrote:Dunno if anyone else has brought this up...but...

What's New Today 26th Jan wrote:Tamurkhan: The Throne of Chaos will be the first in a series of expansion books for Warhammer, and as you can see from the fantastic cover art, it promises to be very dark and sinister. While the book's primary focus is on Chaos, there's plenty in there for every Warhammer hobbyist with loads of new background to read. The book also promises to unite the three factions of Chaos: Warriors, Beastmen and Daemons, providing you with the rules to use all three in one all-conquering army.

Ninja'd by 9 days:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/342511.page

Ah welll. Not to worry. It might not be news, but it's still good

Uniting the 3 currently separate armies of chaos into one is very interesting to me.

Well done Warhammer Forge!

They'd wanted to do that with the previous incarnations but never got to, simply because the 'Machines of Chaos' book never came to be.

Kanluwen wrote:They'd wanted to do that with the previous incarnations but never got to, simply because the 'Machines of Chaos' book never came to be.

Not 100% sure that was ever more than a rumour?

I remember hearing about it at the time, but can't remember sources.

Mr Mystery wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:They'd wanted to do that with the previous incarnations but never got to, simply because the 'Machines of Chaos' book never came to be.

Not 100% sure that was ever more than a rumour?

I remember hearing about it at the time, but can't remember sources.

It's in the front of the "Hordes of Chaos" book


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Gav Thorpe, "Hordes of Chaos" Foreword wrote:
This book is the core of our range of Chaos supplements, but it is not the only one. As I write, plans are in motion for at least two companion volumes, of which the first is Warhammer Armies: Beasts of Chaos. In it you will find details of the savage Beastmen, as well as rules for many monstrous creatures such as Dragon Ogres, Chaos Trolls, Chimeras and Minotaurs. Not only will you be able to collect and play with a Beastmen army, you will be able to incorporate units from that list into your mortal or daemon army from this book(and vice versa!). All of this means that a Chaos army is the most flexible army for gamers and collectors in the Warhammer game, which is as it should be.

Had to dig around for my book

Trolls and ogres are pretty basic, nothing worth paying more for.

Toads are pertty cool, so may have to get some if they ever hit 40k


The plague dragon is another matter though
Im guessing it will be in the £150 - £200 range, so my wallet will be taking a nasty hit again

Any details on when its out? or is it still if and when? :(

Kanluwen wrote:

Mr Mystery wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:They'd wanted to do that with the previous incarnations but never got to, simply because the 'Machines of Chaos' book never came to be.

Not 100% sure that was ever more than a rumour?

I remember hearing about it at the time, but can't remember sources.

It's in the front of the "Hordes of Chaos" book


Automatically Appended Next Post:

Gav Thorpe, "Hordes of Chaos" Foreword wrote:
This book is the core of our range of Chaos supplements, but it is not the only one. As I write, plans are in motion for at least two companion volumes, of which the first is Warhammer Armies: Beasts of Chaos. In it you will find details of the savage Beastmen, as well as rules for many monstrous creatures such as Dragon Ogres, Chaos Trolls, Chimeras and Minotaurs. Not only will you be able to collect and play with a Beastmen army, you will be able to incorporate units from that list into your mortal or daemon army from this book(and vice versa!). All of this means that a Chaos army is the most flexible army for gamers and collectors in the Warhammer game, which is as it should be.

Had to dig around for my book

Yarr, doesn't say owt about the other half actually being Machines of Chaos though? Not calling you out fella. Just saying not sure how concrete the Machines bit was.

"Machines of Chaos" was in the accompanying White Dwarf, if I remember right.

It was said to be the working title.

I generally don't like Nurgle, but I'm loving the Nurgle dragon. The best part about it is it has naturalistic anatomy despite being a horrible monstrosity from our darkest slime-covered nightmares. Major, major kudos to whoever sculpted it for making it look believable as a giant, mutated lizard that has weight, rather than a lumpy pile of pustules and claws.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Uniting the 3 currently separate armies of chaos into one is very interesting to me.

Well done Warhammer Forge!

Or, you know, just like we used to be able to do!

For all of GW's attempts to 'force' people to collect 3 full armies, I think they really dropped the ball when the separated them all out, making Chaos rather... ordered.

I know I dropped the Daemon side of things completely, and sold off my Beastmen too...

This is certainly a step back in the right direction, and I hope GW 'proper' follows suit next time around too.

from gw own site/The book also promises to unite the three factions of Chaos: Warriors, Beastmen and Daemons, providing you with the rules to use all three in one all-conquering army./
this sounds sweet to me and could lead to even more diverse chaos armies.

I don't think they will ever recombine them into one army book again, why should they when you can use a WF list?

Alpharius wrote:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Uniting the 3 currently separate armies of chaos into one is very interesting to me.

Well done Warhammer Forge!

Or, you know, just like we used to be able to do!

For all of GW's attempts to 'force' people to collect 3 full armies, I think they really dropped the ball when the separated them all out, making Chaos rather... ordered.

I know I dropped the Daemon side of things completely, and sold off my Beastmen too...

This is certainly a step back in the right direction, and I hope GW 'proper' follows suit next time around too.

You technically never have been able to "unite the 3 separate armies of Chaos"

Daemons were part of the Hordes of Chaos book along with mortals. The book was nice and big too!
Beasts of Chaos were their own nice and loverly book.
Chaos Dwarfs were to be the last part, but never were done. Why is never really talked about by Gav or the like, but I'd assume it had to do with a new edition coming out and designer burnout.

You were able to take Beasts in a Hordes army, as well as humans and daemons in a beasts army, under the old rules. Chaos Dwarves were seperate, but I think that is a bit more fluffy, anyhow.

Da Boss wrote:You were able to take Beasts in a Hordes army, as well as humans and daemons in a beasts army, under the old rules. Chaos Dwarves were seperate, but I think that is a bit more fluffy, anyhow.

Chaos Dwarves never had their book released.

That's why I say it's "technically" that way

There were three different forces that could be taken, sure. But Mortals and Daemons were effectively the same army book at that time.

Kanluwen wrote:"Machines of Chaos" was in the accompanying White Dwarf, if I remember right.

It was said to be the working title.

It will be out soon as "Defiler Kingdoms".

Isn't Kroq-Gar's Carnosaur supposed to be a juvenile?

Read Temple of the serpent.



Also, GW list the Grymloq model as carnosaur; not juvenile carnosaur.

Carnasaurs are closer to Megalosaurus or Allosaurus in size and build than a T Rex. Which I think is cooler anyway, because I always prefered them to big T.

Grimstonefire wrote:I don't think they will ever recombine them into one army book again, why should they when you can use a WF list?

Well, we could see WF as a potential proving ground for things the main part of GW consider too much of a gamble, so who knows?

Mr Mystery wrote:

Grimstonefire wrote:I don't think they will ever recombine them into one army book again, why should they when you can use a WF list?

Well, we could see WF as a potential proving ground for things the main part of GW consider too much of a gamble, so who knows?

A lot of people have FW-phobia when it comes to rules.

Many of the reasons are entirely justifiable too!

So, there are PLENTY of reasons to allow all branches of Chaos Inc. to play together again via "Official GW" rules - just like we used to be able to do!

Can that not be achieved through a Chaos supplement or free pdf etc? I fail to see why they should recombine them in an army book.

All they really need to do is play around with the rules for the allied % rules.

For instance saying:

Up to 50% allied forces chosen from the other 2 books.

Does not have to have a lord or hero, but if it does it has to fit within the % for each category.

No minimum number of units, but must take a core unit for each special or rare unit (brings some balance in). People can just take a hero or lord this way.

Does not have to have >25% core, <25% special <25% rare, but units that don't count towards core still don't count.

All other rules remain the same.

Um yeah, that is almost exactly how it used to be!

Are we arguing for the same thing here?

Alpharius wrote:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Uniting the 3 currently separate armies of chaos into one is very interesting to me.

Well done Warhammer Forge!

Or, you know, just like we used to be able to do!

For all of GW's attempts to 'force' people to collect 3 full armies, I think they really dropped the ball when the separated them all out, making Chaos rather... ordered.

I know I dropped the Daemon side of things completely, and sold off my Beastmen too...

This is certainly a step back in the right direction, and I hope GW 'proper' follows suit next time around too.

Yep. I played Chaos back in 3rd edition with the 2 Realm of Chaos tomes (btw, just scored The Lost and The Damned on amazon for $30 the other day, very pleased!). Chaos was not so ordered back then.

I have been looking over the current Warriors of Chaos book and considering things like beastmen counts as marauders and fiends for spawn, greater daemons for monsters etc but it's not the same as it used to be, with great swathes of creatures of all shapes and sizes. The idea of these very clean cut lines between a beastman army and a warriors army and a daemon army seem highly unchaotic to me...

I'd like to see a system where you could still take an all warrior or all beast army (no more all daemon armies though, back to being summoned and so on, retcon the lore!) to represent certain geographic armies like the open steppes or the drakwald forest, but in all the fiction the big wars against chaos were against armies of mixed composition.

Seems as though there have been some mixed responses to the new Warhammer Forge range and I managed to sneak a few pics while at Games Day UK last year so I have uploaded all the photos in the hope of making some of the doubters salivate a bit. I must say that they were far better in the flesh and the pictures show!























Well plenty for all there! Discuss!

Thank you for re-posting those!

They've sort of disappeared here, and it is VERY nice to see them again.

The Chaos Dwarf stuff is AWESOME, and GW really needs to just release a full army, soon!

And that Land Ship - too cool for words!

I really hope that Demigryphon gets a High Elf variant.

Would look gorgeous painted up in Nagarythe colors.