Blood Ravens Primarch?

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**Compel**

Personally, I see it as there are 2 sides to what's going on with the Blood Ravens. - What GW think and portrays and what Relic/THQ do.

As far as GW is concerned in the Black Library, the Blood Ravens quite clearly come from the 1000 Sons.

However, for Relic/THQ, the 1000 Sons have barely been mentioned at all in their games. Therefore, it's not likely to be them and, to be honest, the only likely option is the Word Bearers.

Remember, Relics 'market' is far beyond 40k players, it's going to be pretty bad if, when they do their 'big reveal' about it, it's going to end up being "Oh, it's these dudes 80% of our players have never heard of."

**xlightscreen**

you think that GW and THQ efforts into saying how many physics are in the chapter, you would see a hell of a lot more of them.

**undivided**

Compel wrote:Personally, I see it as there are 2 sides to what's going on with the Blood Ravens. - What GW think and portrays and what Relic/THQ do.

As far as GW is concerned in the Black Library, the Blood Ravens quite clearly come from the 1000 Sons.

However, for Relic/THQ, the 1000 Sons have barely been mentioned at all in their games. Therefore, it's not likely to be them and, to be honest, the only likely option is the Word Bearers.

Remember, Relics 'market' is far beyond 40k players, it's going to be pretty bad if, when they do their 'big reveal' about it, it's going to end up being "Oh, it's these dudes 80% of our players have never heard of."

T'zeentch over Nurgle in DoW2, I say.

**obsidianaura**

Compel wrote:Personally, I see it as there are 2 sides to what's going on with the Blood Ravens. - What GW think and portrays and what Relic/THQ do.

As far as GW is concerned in the Black Library, the Blood Ravens quite clearly come from the 1000 Sons.

However, for Relic/THQ, the 1000 Sons have barely been mentioned at all in their games. Therefore, it's not likely to be them and, to be honest, the only likely option is the Word Bearers.

Remember, Relics 'market' is far beyond 40k players, it's going to be pretty bad if, when they do their 'big reveal' about it, it's going to end up being "Oh, it's these dudes 80% of our players have never heard of."

Where does it say they are 1000 Sons? I'd like to know more as I do like the Thousand Sons. Weren't all the Thousand sons Pykers?

**Brother Coa**

And why is Apollo Diomedes have Blood Angel relic weapon in Retribution?
Maybe it's their connection with the Blood Angels?

**Grey Templar**

That is clearly impossable.

the Blood Ravens can't be Blood Angel successors because they don't have the Red Thirst.

Relic is doing a good job of adhering to the fluff so i think they will enforce the 1k sons theory. especially since 1k sons will be in the next DoW2 game.

**DarthLakey**

Cranberry Muffinman wrote:
Brother Coa wrote:
Kid_Kyoto wrote:It is strongly hinted that Sanguinius and Corax had an illecit affair for several years resulting in Corax's pregnancy. When they could no longer conceal the truth from the Emperor he forced Corax to give up the child for adoption.

That child became the first Blood Raven but never knew who his parents were.

WAIT.....
Corax is a man, Sanguinius is his BROTHER?
How the hell do they have kid?
IT'S NOT POSSIBLE!!!!

lol

ok did that actually happen? or are you making a joke. tell me.

**purplefood**

DarthLakey wrote:
Cranberry Muffinman wrote:
Brother Coa wrote:
Kid_Kyoto wrote:It is strongly hinted that Sanguinius and Corax had an illecit affair for several years resulting in Corax's pregnancy. When they could no longer conceal the truth from the Emperor he forced Corax to give up the child for adoption.

That child became the first Blood Raven but never knew who his parents were.

WAIT.....
Corax is a man, Sanguinius is his BROTHER?
How the hell do they have kid?
IT'S NOT POSSIBLE!!!!

lol

ok did that actually happen? or are you making a joke. tell me.

It's a joke... or it it?

**Laodamia**

DarthLakey wrote:
Cranberry Muffinman wrote:
Brother Coa wrote:
Kid_Kyoto wrote:It is strongly hinted that Sanguinius and Corax had an illecit affair for several years resulting in Corax's pregnancy. When they could no longer conceal the truth from the Emperor he forced Corax to give up the child for adoption.

That child became the first Blood Raven but never knew who his parents were.

WAIT.....
Corax is a man, Sanguinius is his BROTHER?
How the hell do they have kid?
IT'S NOT POSSIBLE!!!!

lol

ok did that actually happen? or are you making a joke. tell me.

Hey calm down

, it was just a joke. Of course Sanguignius and Corax did not have a child together. LOL This joke worked so well, I can't believe it. Well done Kid Kyoto!

Concerning the BA weapons wielded by Blood Ravens, it is said in the game that Blood Ravens armorers claim that a ceremonial exchange of arms took place in M37 between the two chapters. However, It is also said that BA archivists keep no reccord of any such event. Did the Blood Ravens somehow steal BA wargear?

**DarthLakey**

Oh I get it SAnguinius was primarch of the BLOOD angels and Corax was primarch of the RAVEN Guard, put them together and you get Blood Ravens

**Brother Coa**

DarthLakey wrote:Oh I get it SAnguinius was primarch of the BLOOD angels and Corax was primarch of the RAVEN Guard, put them together and you get Blood Ravens

LOL!!!

Well done, thumbs up

**Exopheric**

It's weird that Thousand Sons have never come up outside of the Black Library books. Perhaps it's another Alpha Legion plot.

**Asherian Command**

Its magnus in no way can they ever be descended from the black legion, or the blood angels, as they do not have high concentrations of pyskers. So they are Magnus's sons. But they are ravens of blood and it was predicted.

**Grey Templar**

The Blood Angels actually have quite a few Psykers too so the connection is understandable.

Relic really picked a good name. it does add that Aura of Mystery that is present in many 40k stories.

**inquisitoredd142**

Doesn't the blood ravens have a large number of librarians in their chapter. I've also read some obscure reference to them in Thousand sons.
so much secrecy

**winnertakesall**

Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Brother Coa wrote:
Kid_Kyoto wrote:It is strongly hinted that Sanguinius and Corax had an illecit affair for several years resulting in Corax's pregnancy. When they could no longer conceal the truth from the Emperor he forced Corax to give up the child for adoption.

That child became the first Blood Raven but never knew who his parents were.

WAIT.....
Corax is a man, Sanguinius is his BROTHER?
How the hell do they have kid?
IT'S NOT POSSIBLE!!!!

See this bothers me when people post in this forum but don't really know the fluff.

Corax and Sanguinius were not 'men' they were genetically engineered primarchs with additional hearts and lungs, wings and psychic powers. Now surely the Emperor as he was genetically engineering them would also include the ability to reproduce? After all he planned for an Empire to last millennia and in the long run I'd rather have genetic superman who can reporduce than genectic superman who can spit poison (though, all things being equal, I'd like to have both).

The only reason Corax's pregnancy was problematic is he was promised to Fulgrim and the Emperor's strict pro-life policy did not allow him to terminate the child.

Thats wrong. Seriously, thats messed up.

Although kinda kinky. I think I a film like that once. Actually, nvm

**Mark1130**

This has been one hell of a good thread to read. I LOVE the Blood Ravens, and soak up any info I come across.

Keep it coming...

**Grey Templar**

Waiting for DoW2-part 2.

Inquisition's getting involved.

**blazinpsycho&typhooni**

Grey Templar wrote:Waiting for DoW2-part 2.

Inquisition's getting involved.

OH SNAP

it just got real!!!

DoW2- Retribution right???

THAT'S why the IG are back!!!!

**Kallimakus**

Just adding my thoughts after reading A Thousand Sons

SPOILER

Ahriman mentions that many warriors chose to enter stasis to wait until flesh change could be cured

SPOILER

Maybe these warriors were later discovered and, having not witnessed the Heresy, would join the crumbling Imperium

**Pen≥Sword**

Seeing as how the Thousand Sons were ranked third in Relic's "Which marine chapter would you like to see in a game" poll, it is likely this may come into play.

**Asherian Command**

DarthLakey wrote:Oh I get it SAnguinius was primarch of the BLOOD angels and Corax was primarch of the RAVEN Guard, put them together and you get Blood Ravens

Wow it seems someone stole this from me a long time ago,

**blazinpsycho&typhooni**

Kallimakus wrote:Just adding my thoughts after reading A Thousand Sons

SPOILER Ahriman mentions that many warriors chose to enter stasis to wait until flesh change could be cured SPOILER

Maybe these warriors were later discovered and, having not witnessed the Heresy, would join the crumbling Imperium

Well that's the thing, the flesh change wasn't really cured, nor can it be cured (at least that's what I think). The flesh change probably has something to do with the warp and that power becomes unstable causing such mutations to occur. Those in stasis are basically stuck there, there isn't much that can be done to reverse those changes.
These warriors, if discovered after the Imperium, would most likely killed and branded as mutants, or chaos marines. Flailing tentacles really aren't what the IoM is looking for in a SM chapter

Good idea though.

**Ashryu**

I always assumed it was Sanguinus, the Thousand Sons thing is interesting though.

**Liquidice281**

Well other than that one line in the Thousand Son's book, I haven't seen anything else about them.

**Phototoxin**

Just do a paternity test... that'll solve all the issues!

**undivided**

**inquisitoredd142**

Ashryu wrote:I always assumed it was Sanguinus, the Thousand Sons thing is interesting though.

i thought so as well until it became evident that they didn't suffer from red thirst.
Still might be possible GW obviously don't want us to find out.

**Curly Jo**

'Cyrus later reveals that Thule had found and read records of the Blood Ravens origins during the Kronus Campaign, but destroyed them. While it is likely that the documents did not reveal the corruption in the chapter ranks, the revelation that the Blood Ravens have possibly descended from a traitor legion could potentially tear the Chapter apart.'

thats off the lexicanum so I'm betting on the Thousand Sons

**Th3ee Legged Dog**

Thousand Sons got my vote.