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Yeah, several people have had that attitude in the past Coa, lets just say that said oppressors aren't exactly well thought of.

iproxtaco wrote:Yeah, several people have had that attitude in the past Coa, lets just say that said oppressors aren't exactly well thought of.

I have leaned something under this "democracy". And that is that if you give people way to much freedom the whole society will fall apart. I was more thinking about learning our children the full value of life, instead of letting them learn on their own.
We actually live better and more peaceful under the communism then now in democracy.

Brother Coa wrote:

purplefood wrote:
You clearly have no understanding of humans or society...

I have understanding, our societies are like spoiled brats. You just need to discipline them a little and they will all work toward the grater good.
And if idealistic enough, any Human can follow principles. Especially if you bombard him with enough propaganda from little age...

No you don't...
Take for example Europe. It has several countries that are so different that combining them would practically be an affront to their culture.
Each contry no matter how... divided has pride in itself even if they have nothing to take pride in.


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Brother Coa wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:Yeah, several people have had that attitude in the past Coa, lets just say that said oppressors aren't exactly well thought of.

I have leaned something under this "democracy". And that is that if you give people way to much freedom the whole society will fall apart. I was more thinking about learning our children the full value of life, instead of letting them learn on their own.
We actually live better and more peaceful under the communism then now in democracy.

Too much freedom is bad but so is no freedom at all.
If you give people no freedom at all then what's the point of living if all you do is what you're told.
And teaching children is the responsibility of the parent... if they have no parents then the state finds someone willing and hopefully suitable to take them in and act as parents...

At any rate this thread is so off-topic it's absurd.

Brother Coa wrote:

purplefood wrote:
Forget savng a mere city with your deductive powers, we need your mind working on biger problems like saving the world from global warming and terrorism whilst also creating peace on Earth.

It's really easy, you only need to disband nations and states. And tell everyone that from this day on there is no nations, no states - only one race. And to make everyone part of 1 culture ( probably the mix of almost every culture out there ) and to disband religions to, also to cut the monopoly of money and add simple trade instead.
There, all problem will be solved. No terrorism, no wars, everyone work toward the grater good and the planet would be cleanse as everyone would be going toward progressing faster with technological advancement since there would be no need for competition anymore.
Not to much of a problem...

That doesnt sound real easy too me :(

Brother Coa wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:Yeah, several people have had that attitude in the past Coa, lets just say that said oppressors aren't exactly well thought of.

I have leaned something under this "democracy". And that is that if you give people way to much freedom the whole society will fall apart. I was more thinking about learning our children the full value of life, instead of letting them learn on their own.
We actually live better and more peaceful under the communism then now in democracy.

Well I never said Democracy was the absolute solution, as it ends up not really being what it is defined as. Teaching children morals is the responsibility of the parent, regardless of culture or political structure.
I'm also not just talking about communism, as flawed as it has been in the past, just Dictatorships and despots in general.

USA!USA!USA! CONSTITUTIONAL DEMOCRACY!USA!USA!USA!

dajobe wrote:USA!USA!USA! CONSTITUTIONAL DEMOCRACY!USA!USA!USA!

We have an unconstitutional democracy... technically...

purplefood wrote:

dajobe wrote:USA!USA!USA! CONSTITUTIONAL DEMOCRACY!USA!USA!USA!

We have an unconstitutional democracy... technically...

USA!USA!USA!USA!USA!USA!USA!
I view the USA like I view the imperium, yeah, there are some cruddy aspects about our society, but its a heck of a lot better than anywhere else!

dajobe wrote:

purplefood wrote:

dajobe wrote:USA!USA!USA! CONSTITUTIONAL DEMOCRACY!USA!USA!USA!

We have an unconstitutional democracy... technically...

USA!USA!USA!USA!USA!USA!USA!
I view the USA like I view the imperium, yeah, there are some cruddy aspects about our society, but its a heck of a lot better than anywhere else!

Debatable...
The USA is a strange country to say the least... everywhere has its flaws however.
Even Britain...

purplefood wrote:

dajobe wrote:USA!USA!USA! CONSTITUTIONAL DEMOCRACY!USA!USA!USA!

We have an unconstitutional democracy... technically...

Representative democratic republic, actually.

Although given that we frequently (read: always) are stuck choosing between the lesser of two evils, there's not much truly democratic about it.

Omegus wrote:

purplefood wrote:

dajobe wrote:USA!USA!USA! CONSTITUTIONAL DEMOCRACY!USA!USA!USA!

We have an unconstitutional democracy... technically...

Representative democratic republic, actually.

Although given that we frequently (read: always) are stuck choosing between the lesser of two evils, there's not much truly democratic about it.

I love this country and it's particular method of government... it's just so... British...

I miss the part where it is so british? Yes, much of our system is based upon theirs, but they are really quite different, i have taken comparative politics classes and although there are many similiarities there are many differences...but this is getting way off topic, I personally am for Magnus because i think thousand sons are sweet!

dajobe wrote:I miss the part where it is so british? Yes, much of our system is based upon theirs, but they are really quite different, i have taken comparative politics classes and although there are many similiarities there are many differences...but this is getting way off topic, I personally am for Magnus because i think thousand sons are sweet!

YEah i'm British and i live in britain...
The flag went walk about and Lego supposedly reset it but it didn't quite stick...
Trust me, I'm British.

As I said, there are many similiarities, and many differences. But that can be said about most forms of democracy, most have many overarching similarities with a few major defining differences, but overall, most democracies operate in a similiar manner, hence they are all in the category democracies

We actually owe very little to the british parlamentary system.

we are more based upon the Greek and Roman democratic systems.


practically the only thing we kept from the Parlamentary system was the idea of 2 houses. but those 2 houses are very different from the british system.


1: you actually have to be from the area you are running for office from(none of this stupid running from anywhere you darn well please)

2: both houses are elected(house of lords is not elected)



we brought the idea of every citizen having a vote from the Greeks and Romans(currently anyway, it took some time to shake the old ways) not the British.

we also elect our Head of State. the british only do this in practice with a PM(who is only the head of Government)

there are still similarities that exist, but yes, i would say that the American democracy, although similiar to many other democracies is quite uniqe(AND AWESOME)

Holy off-topic necromancy Bat Man!

On Topic: Magnus, it's all been said in the hundreds of threads on this subject.

Off Topic: USA is a democratic republic with a system based on Greek/Roman governments. USA reintroduced democracy into modern culture.

Many people disagree with Magnus...
I know Kan does and i know i don't like it.

well, it fits almost completely and it has support from GW(as much support as they give such conspiracy theories)

purplefood wrote:
No you don't...
Take for example Europe. It has several countries that are so different that combining them would practically be an affront to their culture.
Each contry no matter how... divided has pride in itself even if they have nothing to take pride in.

And then you have European Union...the proof that even with language and cultural difference people can live together in harmony. I don't even know what would they need borders for anymore when you can pass border checkpoint with personal ID, sometimes without that at all. Just look at USA, it's made of 52 states. Living proof that people can indeed work toward grater good.

purplefood wrote:Too much freedom is bad but so is no freedom at all.
If you give people no freedom at all then what's the point of living if all you do is what you're told. ( There is only the Emperor - and he is our shield and protector!!! I have no problem with that )
And teaching children is the responsibility of the parent... if they have no parents then the state finds someone willing and hopefully suitable to take them in and act as parents....

I didn't say that there should be no freedom, I just appointed that to much freedom is dangerous thing. In Yugoslavia during 60-is and 70-is, people have freedom like average American, even if we where under communism. But there was no theft ( 3 or 4 theft for whole year ), no murders ( 2 murders in whole year ), no gangs, no drug and no prostitution. I just want to appoint that people had a lot of rights, they even complained about the work of random administrators. But people know better than to toy with state or police. Today people have no respect for anyone, even the police. And all because they didn't teach their children like they should.

Brother Coa wrote:

purplefood wrote:
No you don't...
Take for example Europe. It has several countries that are so different that combining them would practically be an affront to their culture.
Each contry no matter how... divided has pride in itself even if they have nothing to take pride in.

And then you have European Union...the proof that even with language and cultural difference people can live together in harmony. I don't even know what would they need borders for anymore when you can pass border checkpoint with personal ID, sometimes without that at all. Just look at USA, it's made of 52 states. Living proof that people can indeed work toward grater good.

purplefood wrote:Too much freedom is bad but so is no freedom at all.
If you give people no freedom at all then what's the point of living if all you do is what you're told. ( There is only the Emperor - and he is our shield and protector!!! I have no problem with that )
And teaching children is the responsibility of the parent... if they have no parents then the state finds someone willing and hopefully suitable to take them in and act as parents....

I didn't say that there should be no freedom, I just appointed that to much freedom is dangerous thing. In Yugoslavia during 60-is and 70-is, people have freedom like average American, even if we where under communism. But there was no theft ( 3 or 4 theft for whole year ), no murders ( 2 murders in whole year ), no gangs, no drug and no prostitution. I just want to appoint that people had a lot of rights, they even complained about the work of random administrators. But people know better than to toy with state or police. Today people have no respect for anyone, even the police. And all because they didn't teach their children like they should.

The European union is a trading agreement with bits attatched. For the previous 1000 or so years Europe has been the site of the bloodiest battles in history. The USA is a group of states that share a very similar heritage on culture. Europe is very different both culture wise and language.
You can't blame that purely on the parents... there are at least half a dozen other factors when it comes to things like this.

iproxtaco wrote:
Well I never said Democracy was the absolute solution, as it ends up not really being what it is defined as. Teaching children morals is the responsibility of the parent, regardless of culture or political structure.
I'm also not just talking about communism, as flawed as it has been in the past, just Dictatorships and despots in general.

Not to tech them that responsibility, but to teach them what is right and what is wrong ( witch most parents today are letting their kid to learn that all by himself ). And we Humans are that in nature, we would all follow one leader. But when he dies we would kill each other to replace him or to split the remains of his rule ( just see our example ).
The best course of action is to give all military, social and political power of all states in the world to UN council. Only problem is USA, they won't give that much power so easily...

actually, there are 50 states, but i do agree with your point

Brother Coa wrote:

purplefood wrote:
No you don't...
Take for example Europe. It has several countries that are so different that combining them would practically be an affront to their culture.
Each contry no matter how... divided has pride in itself even if they have nothing to take pride in.

And then you have European Union...the proof that even with language and cultural difference people can live together in harmony. I don't even know what would they need borders for anymore when you can pass border checkpoint with personal ID, sometimes without that at all. Just look at USA, it's made of 52 states. Living proof that people can indeed work toward grater good.

purplefood wrote:Too much freedom is bad but so is no freedom at all.
If you give people no freedom at all then what's the point of living if all you do is what you're told. ( There is only the Emperor - and he is our shield and protector!!! I have no problem with that )
And teaching children is the responsibility of the parent... if they have no parents then the state finds someone willing and hopefully suitable to take them in and act as parents....

I didn't say that there should be no freedom, I just appointed that to much freedom is dangerous thing. In Yugoslavia during 60-is and 70-is, people have freedom like average American, even if we where under communism. But there was no theft ( 3 or 4 theft for whole year ), no murders ( 2 murders in whole year ), no gangs, no drug and no prostitution. I just want to appoint that people had a lot of rights, they even complained about the work of random administrators. But people know better than to toy with state or police. Today people have no respect for anyone, even the police. And all because they didn't teach their children like they should.

yeah, the EU is working out great with 1/2 of its members going bankrupt.


I would not be the least bit surprised if the Euro fails catastrophically within the next decade and all those countries that used it fall into complete chaos.

purplefood wrote:
The European union is a trading agreement with bits attatched. For the previous 1000 or so years Europe has been the site of the bloodiest battles in history. The USA is a group of states that share a very similar heritage on culture. Europe is very different both culture wise and language.

That's my point, after more than 1000 years of bloodiest conflicts in history Europe is at peace like never before. If we can do it - Mankind can do it.

You can't blame that purely on the parents... there are at least half a dozen other factors when it comes to things like this.

You are right, there are also moral issues with certain countries ( political conflicts, rasism, nationalism, economic instability, drugs, gangs etc... ).


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dajobe wrote:actually, there are 50 states, but i do agree with your point

Aren't the Alaska and Hawaii 51'st and 52'nd state?

nope, 49 and 50, with hawaii coming in 1960 i believe(didnt fact check the date)

Brother Coa wrote:

purplefood wrote:
The European union is a trading agreement with bits attatched. For the previous 1000 or so years Europe has been the site of the bloodiest battles in history. The USA is a group of states that share a very similar heritage on culture. Europe is very different both culture wise and language.

That's my point, after more than 1000 years of bloodiest conflicts in history Europe is at peace like never before. If we can do it - Mankind can do it.

You can't blame that purely on the parents... there are at least half a dozen other factors when it comes to things like this.

You are right, there are also moral issues with certain countries ( political conflicts, rasism, nationalism, economic instability, drugs, gangs etc... ).

Actually i was talking about the fact that when raising a child it isn't just the parents that teach it...
There are several ISAs that give you ideologies as you grow up.
Also The EU isn't what stopped the fighting in Europe the fact it is way too expensive to fight major wars, the massive casualties in WWII and WWI and the 'threat of communism' is what stopped the fighting in Europe.
That an America taking part in the UN... that possibly helped as well.

Grey Templar wrote:
yeah, the EU is working out great with 1/2 of its members going bankrupt.

I would not be the least bit surprised if the Euro fails catastrophically within the next decade and all those countries that used it fall into complete chaos.

Off course when people are idiots and they are taking credits like madman...
Everybody here also thinks that EU is one big piggy bank that only gives money to all.
Because everyone has a better motto " why save for 7 years when we can buy it now and return in 5 years". In the end you return almost half more than you would pay normally.
One more point why people need to be educated from the earliest days...

I say kill them all and let their god sort them out.

Well Atheists are doomed then...