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@OP:

There is a tendency, not unique to Dakka, to think of Games Workshop as a monolithic corporate powerhouse run by overwhelmingly powerful but ultimately idiotic super villains. And of course there is a corresponding tendency for people who post on internet fora to think of themselves as misunderstood, genius rogues who can unravel evil, corporate plans. The pages and pages of running down GW ("telling it how it is") constitute little more than baseless speculation on the part of those who equate appearing cynical with appearing wise. Now, there are a lot of people who simply don't like a thing or don't want to pay for a thing. That's fine and it's not what I'm talking about. But there is also a relaible cadre of "haters" around here who will find something wrong with anything that GW does up until you call them on it. And then, just to be contrary and show how naive you are, they will bring up something they like about GW or say "hey, I love this game but GW hates me." (The GW "apologists" are just as contrarian and negative as the "haters," by the way. Both camps would gladly argue with a fencepost.) To be frank, GW is simply not Wayland-Yutani/the Illuminati.

I see where you're coming from and I get tired of it myself, OP.

Honestly, I think the new Dark Eldar look great. If I didn't have over 50,000 points of unpainted models, not to mention four bloodbowl teams, on my painting desk, I'd be doing an army.

People don't like the price of the beasts, that's understandable. I want to find a way to get those birds into some other army I've already got... I think the beasts rock.

As for the stormraven, well, if you stick wings on a brick, it doesn't make it an aeroplane.

plastictrees wrote:Welcome to the internet. If you say something people disagree with you're a hater or a troll.

Stop trolling.



J/k.


In seriousness though, why else pop in on Dakka and make a subject about how negative and whiny Dakka is? Then you fill it with blanket statements like (paraphrasing) "If you think its expensive then stop playing." "If you dont like the sculpts then become a sculptor."

Then abandon the post after there's a huge slew of well-thought out replies? I could be wrong, but it seems either counter intuitive (Whining about whining..) or trollish.

kronk wrote:

plastictrees wrote:Welcome to the internet. If you say something people disagree with you're a hater or a troll.

That's not true. You're a jerk!

By disagreeing with me you have revealed yourself to be history's greatest monster.

JimBowen38 wrote:Oh and the sculpting critics here is an idea learn to sculpt.

See thats a really smart idea

Following this brilliant logic why dont you apply it to your own post?

" oh and theres so much negativity here and since Im not a negative person and by consequence I dont know anything about negativity so I just shoud shut up!"

Makes sense?

After reading through all the counter posts I feel a lot better it was all relevant (and no death threats thanks people) to my admitedly trite coments which on reflection ie five minutes after posting I realised where fairly pointless.

Manchu wrote:@OP:

There is a tendency, not unique to Dakka, to think of Games Workshop as a monolithic corporate powerhouse run by overwhelmingly powerful but ultimately idiotic super villains. And of course there is a corresponding tendency for people who post on internet fora to think of themselves as misunderstood, genius rogues who can unravel evil, corporate plans. The pages and pages of running down GW ("telling it how it is") constitute little more than baseless speculation on the part of those who equate appearing cynical with appearing wise. Now, there are a lot of people who simply don't like a thing or don't want to pay for a thing. That's fine and it's not what I'm talking about. But there is also a relaible cadre of "haters" around here who will find something wrong with anything that GW does up until you call them on it. And then, just to be contrary and show how naive you are, they will bring up something they like about GW or say "hey, I love this game but GW hates me." (The GW "apologists" are just as contrarian and negative as the "haters," by the way. Both camps would gladly argue with a fencepost.) To be frank, GW is simply not Wayland-Yutani/the Illuminati.

I see where you're coming from and I get tired of it myself, OP.

Just wanted to underscore this wisdom before it gets thoroughly buried in nonsense.

It does get kind of annoying with people complaining about unreleased models...

Like the Stormraven ("chibihawk") and Dreadknight ("Transformer")

I mean 1 leaked photo of the Stormraven and everyone was complaining how there was no way it could fly/ was the worst abomination in existence/etc, and now the same thing with the Dreadknight one blurry picture and everyone is already complaining about how it looks.

Price is a valid complaint though, personally i think $50 for 5 terminators is a bit much

JimBowen38 wrote:After reading through all the counter posts I feel a lot better it was all relevant (and no death threats thanks people) to my admitedly trite coments which on reflection ie five minutes after posting I realised where fairly pointless.

No worries, Jim. People tend to be blunt online (me included). Whether it's the freedom of being anonomous or whatever. In my experience, people that troll online tend to be much more reasonable in person.

JimBowen38 wrote: And if the cost is really crippling your wallet here is another idea get another hobby.

Thank you for your valuable input daddy warbucks...

Here's an idea, how's about you get another forum.

This thread is so negative!

puma713 wrote:This thread is so negative!

I love all you guys and you are all awesome!

Amidoinitrite?

JimBowen38 wrote:After reading through all the counter posts I feel a lot better it was all relevant (and no death threats thanks people) to my admitedly trite coments which on reflection ie five minutes after posting I realised where fairly pointless.

Respect for user +1.

JimBowen38 wrote:After reading through all the counter posts I feel a lot better it was all relevant (and no death threats thanks people) to my admitedly trite coments which on reflection ie five minutes after posting I realised where fairly pointless.

As, this very post suggests, strong comments are the groundwork for reasonable resolutions. A post beginning with "I hate everything about the DE models" followed by "I now see a lot their good points" is not at all pointless.

Gibbsey wrote:Like the Stormraven ("chibihawk")

The phrase "chibihawk" endeared me to the Storm Raven. With that model, I think it's just a matter of getting used to it.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Here's an idea, how's about you get another forum.

Nah, Jim, please stick around.

@plastictrees: Thanks, I appreciate that.

Manchu wrote:Nah, Jim, please stick around.

Why doesn't YOUR FACE stick around?

Oh yeah, I went there. In your...wait. That's not what I meant at all.

malfred wrote:

Manchu wrote:Nah, Jim, please stick around.

Why doesn't YOUR FACE stick around?

Wicked burn.

chromedog wrote:but when people post pictures of crap looking models then asks "what do you think?", I'm not going to p*ss in his pocket and call it golden.

The OP didn't even mention this. Now I wonder if he might have a point about negativity.

ImperialTard wrote:

chromedog wrote:but when people post pictures of crap looking models then asks "what do you think?", I'm not going to p*ss in his pocket and call it golden.

The OP didn't even mention this. Now I wonder if he might have a point about negativity.

Again its an internet forum, that has people from all over the world on it. There are bound to be A holes on here. I too wont tell someone I think their pile of melted crayons look good. But at the same time, if I think something looks bad, I dont say anything. Kind of a cant say something nice, keep it to yourself. Chromedog just lost some respect on that one

Manchu wrote:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Here's an idea, how's about you get another forum.

Nah, Jim, please stick around.

Nope, he should go. I hear that 'you don't like the price, go get another hobby' argument all the damned time and it's cretinous bs.
There is a sizeable difference between being able to afford something and considering that something is priced beyond it's value, despite wishing to own it.

As to the pricing stucture he's mentioned, I've been told that exact reason by GW employees when I've asked just WTF the greatswords are priced at so damned high in comparison to the state troops. 'Because they aren't used as much, so we have to make their cost back buy selling them for more'...

So why is a Kymera more expensive than a Painboy with Grot Orderly? Cos I only need 1 of those in my army. They amount to the same amount of actual resource to make and sell, so what's with the price?



Also, OP, as a minor aside, have you ever heard someone complain about the price of gas? Start telling all of them to walk and enjoy the constructive feedback you'll receive.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

Manchu wrote:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Here's an idea, how's about you get another forum.

Nah, Jim, please stick around.

Nope, he should go.

We have room for more than your opinions, MGS.

kronk wrote:

plastictrees wrote:Welcome to the internet. If you say something people disagree with you're a hater or a troll.

That's not true. You're a jerk!

He's not mad, he's just jelly.

Seriously, of all the annoying, bourgie retorts to anyone who makes the merest hint that GW shouldn't price gouge us like sheep at the slaughterhouse, and that such pricing decisions may actually be long-run-optimal, the accusation that the person is "just jelly" is the one guaranteed to make me start ing.

And sometimes ranting just makes you feel better. It clears your head and can organize your thoughts. And sometimes, you have no one to rant to, or no one that cares that your miniature company has unfairly priced Dark Eldar beasts. So, you come to a place where people understand what you're talking about and maybe a few even agree with you.

Again its an internet forum, that has people from all over the world on it. There are bound to be A holes on here. I too wont tell someone I think their pile of melted crayons look good. But at the same time, if I think something looks bad, I dont say anything. Kind of a cant say something nice, keep it to yourself. Chromedog just lost some respect on that one

You stated my own thoughts more eloquently than I can. Thank you.

Manchu wrote:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

Manchu wrote:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Here's an idea, how's about you get another forum.

Nah, Jim, please stick around.

Nope, he should go.

We have room for more than your opinions, MGS.

If he doesn't like the company here, or people voicing opinions contrary to his about new products or pricing, then he should vote with his feet. Climbing into the pulpit to decry the community for voicing concern over cost is not going to win hearts and minds. I'd also like to congratulate him on finding himself the accrued wealth to not concern himself over the price of luxury items.

He's never failed to be amazed reading negativity towards GW? I'm never failed by the 2 dimensional defences to so much of their cut-throat sales practices that border on religious dogma.

His statement was 'if you don't like the price then get out' and my response is simple, 'no, if you don't like people complaining about paying money for something, you better return to your bunker' because yes, people will always complain but sometimes they have a good cause to.

Did you read his second post at all?

JimBowen38 wrote:After reading through all the counter posts I feel a lot better it was all relevant (and no death threats thanks people) to my admitedly trite coments which on reflection ie five minutes after posting I realised where fairly pointless.

Hey dude, credit to you. The rarest thing on the internet is humility and it speaks to your character to make such a post. Stick around and post more.

JimBowen38 wrote:I have just read through the comments on the latest Dark Eldar and wow it never fails to amaze me the amount of negativity I see on Dakka so angry I had to post this rant.
Since when has the actual cost of a miniature been linked to its in points cost in the game? Oh and the sculpting critics here is an idea learn to sculpt or at the least wait till you actually see the miniatures before tearing into them photos are often misleading. And if the cost is really crippling your wallet here is another idea get another hobby.

Thank you so much. I completely agree.

People are ungrateful swine on here sometimes. At least you're getting a model. Stop complaining, especially if you don't even play DE No one's forcing you to buy anything. Just go about your business and be happy for other people who actually like the thing.

"I hate this model because it's too expensive"

AgeOfEgos wrote:

JimBowen38 wrote:After reading through all the counter posts I feel a lot better it was all relevant (and no death threats thanks people) to my admitedly trite coments which on reflection ie five minutes after posting I realised where fairly pointless.

Hey dude, credit to you. The rarest thing on the internet is humility and it speaks to your character to make such a post. Stick around and post more.

+1.
This is why he shouldn't get out MGS, there aren't many people prepared to be apologetic like that.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

Manchu wrote:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Here's an idea, how's about you get another forum.

Nah, Jim, please stick around.

Nope, he should go. I hear that 'you don't like the price, go get another hobby' argument all the damned time and it's cretinous bs.
There is a sizeable difference between being able to afford something and considering that something is priced beyond it's value, despite wishing to own it.

As to the pricing stucture he's mentioned, I've been told that exact reason by GW employees when I've asked just WTF the greatswords are priced at so damned high in comparison to the state troops. 'Because they aren't used as much, so we have to make their cost back buy selling them for more'...

So why is a Kymera more expensive than a Painboy with Grot Orderly? Cos I only need 1 of those in my army. They amount to the same amount of actual resource to make and sell, so what's with the price?



Also, OP, as a minor aside, have you ever heard someone complain about the price of gas? Start telling all of them to walk and enjoy the constructive feedback you'll receive.

Had a similar thing pointed out to me when I pointed out the amount of plastic used in the new (at the time) Eldar Wraithlord and Space Marine Dreadnought, but they were same price. Was told that GW price for the unit, not the material.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

Manchu wrote:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Here's an idea, how's about you get another forum.

Nah, Jim, please stick around.

Nope, he should go.

This is why I love Dakka. MGS wins the thread.

There are more "positive" forums for games out there. I come to Dakka because the posters here can be negative towards GW or praise them endlessly. I think Dakka has a good balance.