Dakka is such a negative place

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**Kilkrazy**

Big P wrote:I find it amusing that wargaming is a 'luxury' hobby...

Does that mean I should hang around at posh golf courses and take up yachting?

My hobby is fairly cost neutral, as I paint for a couple of companies, and as I play historicals, its a hell of alot cheaper.

So for me, historical gaming is a cheap hobby.

As for GW... Some people just love them a little too much...

Yes.

A historical gamer can set himself up with De Bellis Antiquitatis rules, lists, and two complete matched 15mm ancient or mediaeval armies for a campaign, all for about £40.

**Rochronos**

arkapello wrote:If the majority people are on the webz raging about how rubbish somthing is, its probably because the people who like it are pre ordering it and choosing there colour scheme...

i think forums are always a bit tetchy, even people who agree with you can seem aggressive but thats because you cant judge a persons tone in text (even with ork-shaped emoticons). Its just other people sitting at home eating biscuits and dropping crumbs on the keyboards like you and me, there not often any malice in comments made.

i find people who are too nice way more disturbing <(look an emoticon for you to judge my tone by!!)

I concur whole heartedley! Here's a little something to remind us of what the internetz does to folks!

Jay dictating to Silent Bob in Mooby Burger, 'All you mother

ers are gonna pay. You are the ones who are the ball-lickers. We're gonna

your mothers while you watch and cry like little bitches. Once we get to Hollywood and find those Miramax

s who are making that movie, we're gonna make 'em eat our

, then

out our

, then eat their

which is made up of our

that we made 'em eat. Then you're all you mother

s are next. Love, Jay and Silent Bob.'

**MeanGreenStompa**

Manchu wrote:Did you read his second post at all?

Ketara wrote:
This is why he shouldn't get out MGS, there aren't many people prepared to be apologetic like that.

He apologised when he realised his point was puerile and he was getting shot at, when it failed to generate a wave of support. In fact he's only getting praise now for apologising for his stupid thread. It's like Michael Vick just posted about how he's not doing dog fighting any more and everyone rushed to give him a medal... I've never organised dog fights, can I get a fething medal too?!?

Perhaps if he'd raised a well thought out point instead of bleating his disdain, I might have offered a more composed response, but 'you people complaining this miniature is too expensive are poor and should stop playing the game' is a short road to a retaliatory response.

**Ketara**

MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Manchu wrote:Did you read his second post at all?

Ketara wrote:
This is why he shouldn't get out MGS, there aren't many people prepared to be apologetic like that.

He apologised when he realised his point was puerile and he was getting shot at

And? How many people on the web ever acknowledge their threads as being puerile? It's a novelty if nothing else.

**FoxPhoenix135**

If you are not a fan of GW's pricing or marketing, then Dakka definitely is not for you. Dakka has a very love/hate relationship with GW: they love to bash on it, but for every guy bashing on it there are an equal amount defending them.

Personally I just gave up on hoping for positive change. I sold all my GW products and moved on. That, however, was a personal decision made with careful consideration of my local player base, personal finances, and interests.

**TheCapm**

MeanGreenStompa wrote:
He apologised when he realised his point was puerile and he was getting shot at, when it failed to generate a wave of support. In fact he's only getting praise now for apologising for his stupid thread.
Perhaps if he'd raised a well thought out point instead of bleating his disdain, I might have offered a more composed response, but 'you people complaining this miniature is too expensive are poor and should stop playing the game' is a short road to a retaliatory response.

Don't you think you are being a little harsh? You are second guessing the guy's intentions for one. What do you want? A full on confession? Even if you are correct, calling him stupid isn't exactly the most civil thing in and of itself.

**MeanGreenStompa**

TheCapm wrote:
MeanGreenStompa wrote:
He apologised when he realised his point was puerile and he was getting shot at, when it failed to generate a wave of support. In fact he's only getting praise now for apologising for his stupid thread.
Perhaps if he'd raised a well thought out point instead of bleating his disdain, I might have offered a more composed response, but 'you people complaining this miniature is too expensive are poor and should stop playing the game' is a short road to a retaliatory response.

Don't you think you are being a little harsh? You are second guessing the guy's intentions for one. What do you want? A full on confession? Even if you are correct, calling him stupid isn't exactly the most civil thing in and of itself.

I called the topic of his thread stupid, he obviously isn't or he'd still be here defending it, instead he had the wit to back out of it and apologise for it.

**Mannahnin**

MGS: Doing his best to prove the OP right, even when everyone (and the OP) has agreed that the OP was mostly wrong.

**MeanGreenStompa**

You realise you're posting about me in a negative fashion, you naughty mod you...

**Frazzled**

I'm saddened by the lack of weiner dogs in this thread.

**Flashman**

Have we all reached a happy place now or shall we go on for another 10 pages?

Nice weiner dogs Frazz

**NAVARRO**

Mannahnin wrote:MGS: Doing his best to prove the OP right, even when everyone (and the OP) has agreed that the OP was mostly wrong.

Doesnt matter if he was right or wrong, his atitude was double standarts... His comments are aimed at others but he doesnt live by his own principles... at least in this thread...
I mean if your not a sculptor you should not critisize and shut up... if you dont have money for the hobby you should stfu and move away yet he dislikes dakka and doesnt move away or shut up.

Either way I dont care much just find funny people feeling entitled to trow jabs at others just because they think they are... special

**Mannahnin**

MeanGreenStompa wrote:You realise you're posting about me in a negative fashion, you naughty mod you...

COL. LANDA: I'm just teasing you, Fräulein. You know me, I tease rough.

NAVARRO wrote:
Mannahnin wrote:MGS: Doing his best to prove the OP right, even when everyone (and the OP) has agreed that the OP was mostly wrong.

Doesnt matter if he was right or wrong, his atitude was double standarts... His comments are aimed at others but he doesnt live by his own principles... at least in this thread...
I mean if your not a sculptor you should not critisize and shut up... if you dont have money for the hobby you should stfu and move away yet he dislikes dakka and doesnt move away or shut up.

Either way I dont care much just find funny people feeling entitled to trow jabs at others just because they think they are... special

Sure, his comments were off-base. Many folks posted thoughtful rebuttals which helped the OP reexamine the issue and realize he was out of line. That's much more productive than being nasty or telling him to get off the site. Doing so just promulgates the perception of negativity that the OP started with.

**NAVARRO**

@Mannahnin Mind that I dont have any feelings towars the issue if he stays or leaves... its his choice really, and I dont know the fella or interacted much with him... Call me "negative"

but I'm always happy to talk with anyone on dakka so if he wants to hang out on here good for him. I think he and MGS will be best buddies in no time

**ZacktheChaosChild**

Gorechild wrote:It's the internet, you'll find unnecessary nerd rage everywhere.

I normally defend the cost of the hobby, sure it's expensive, but when you look at the amount of time assembling/painting/playing with it, I feel it justifies the cost. The new beast units have tipped the scales for me though, £150+ quid for one 200 point unit is sickening.

I think it's fair enough for people to voice their opinion on a sculpt, as others have said, there is just as much (if not more) praise regarding the actual models themseves in that thread. It's just the bizzaro logic of making a hoard unit unit out of £7-15 1-per-pack metal models that have caused most of the negativity.

Also, has anyone else here been to a dedicated modeling store? You'll find plastic tanks comparable to Rhinos for like 30-40 dollars. The prices really are actually pretty competitive when you look to our non-gaming modeling cousins.

**Sidstyler**

kronk wrote:
JimBowen38 wrote:Since when has the actual cost of a miniature been linked to its in points cost in the game? Oh and the sculpting critics here is an idea learn to sculpt or at the least wait till you actually see the miniatures before tearing into them photos are often misleading.

The new Dark Eldar stuff, just like the stormraven, look like gak. The reason people are pissed is because wave 1 dark eldar was so beautiful. How could they go from Total Win to Epic Fail so fast?

...they...didn't?

I seriously don't see the "Epic Fail" here. All I see are people being childish ("lol tri-nips"), people who expected way too much ("omg the razorwings are so plain, they obviously should have been the most complicated and extravagant sculpt of the entire range!"), people being contradictory (deriding the clawed fiend for having alien features they don't like, and then bitching about the razorwings not being alien enough), or sexist pricks keeping age-old stereotypes alive ("lol women with muscles, and nice 'man-face'!"). I really don't know what everyone's problem with the beastmaster is, I can't even pretend to understand that one.

**kronk**

His face looks like a baboon's ass.

**Manchu**

SidStyler is preaching the truth here, people. Amen amen.

**Eldar Own**

As with anywhere and anything there's going to be negative things as well as bad things. In most cases it's a matter of opinion, some people dislike the things other people like. Yes our hobby is expensive but it offers many other positive aspects, nothing perfect anyway.

**Sidstyler**

kronk wrote:His face looks like a baboon's ass.

Well that was rude. You've never even seen my face!

Assuming you're talking about the beastmaster...I still don't see it. It looks like an angry dude with a khymera skull helmet to me. He has really big teeth I guess, but it's heroic 28mm scale, like every model GW produces it has exaggerated features. Heads, hands, feet, weapons, etc.

**Kilkrazy**

kronk wrote:His face looks like a baboon's ass.

What's wrong with baboon's arses?

**MeanGreenStompa**

Mannahnin wrote:
MeanGreenStompa wrote:You realise you're posting about me in a negative fashion, you naughty mod you...

COL. LANDA: I'm just teasing you, Fräulein. You know me, I tease rough.

NAVARRO wrote: I think he and MGS will be best buddies in no time

Ah now gents, always a pleasure and n'er a chore, think i'll be off from this ere thread as it's getting toasty again and I've not brought me marshmallows nor me toastin fork.

I'll simple leave ye with this, dwell upon it a while...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnoEgNW1kb0

**NAVARRO**

Sids wrote:
people who expected way too much

Maybe thats more cronic when people have the preception that the price they are paying is way to high?

If I buy a miniature for 5euros its ok average stuff if its 10 euros needs to be special if its above that then I'm going to break down every milimeter with all my attention... and every little detail will be inspected.

What I'm saying is that maybe the high prices helps most of us to be extra picky?

**Sidstyler**

Well yeah, the price is stupid, I agree with that. And I can see why that would have some people asking "That's it?".

But without taking price into account, I don't really see why people expected the razorwings to be really interesting models. Judging from the codex entry it was going to be something small and spammable, like nurglings or jungle swarms or rippers, and none of those are all that detailed. I think they look pretty good for what they are.

They just need to cost half as much.

**Big P**

Just correcting your post...

Eldar Own wrote: Yes our GW-hobby is expensive but it offers many other positive aspects, nothing perfect anyway.

My waragming hobby aint expensive... Well actually, the stuff aint expensive... Now the amount I buy is a different matter...

**cyrax777**

Its true with any hobby. as DR. Jeebus over on a magic the gathering forum used to say "wizards of the coast could put 100 doller bills in packs and people would complain on how they are folded”

**KamikazeCanuck**

Manchu wrote:@OP:

There is a tendency, not unique to Dakka, to think of Games Workshop as a monolithic corporate powerhouse run by overwhelmingly powerful but ultimately idiotic super villains. And of course there is a corresponding tendency for people who post on internet fora to think of themselves as misunderstood, genius rogues who can unravel evil, corporate plans. The pages and pages of running down GW ("telling it how it is") constitute little more than baseless speculation on the part of those who equate appearing cynical with appearing wise. Now, there are a lot of people who simply don't like a thing or don't want to pay for a thing. That's fine and it's not what I'm talking about. But there is also a relaible cadre of "haters" around here who will find something wrong with anything that GW does up until you call them on it. And then, just to be contrary and show how naive you are, they will bring up something they like about GW or say "hey, I love this game but GW hates me." (The GW "apologists" are just as contrarian and negative as the "haters," by the way. Both camps would gladly argue with a fencepost.) To be frank, GW is simply not Wayland-Yutani/the Illuminati.

I see where you're coming from and I get tired of it myself, OP.

Well put sir. The all pervasive cynacism can be exasperating. Sometimes I fell like if you hate Warhammer so much why did you go to all of the trouble to find a forum, join it and complain regularly? Wouldn't your time be better spent doing anything else? Oh Well, that's the way some people like their internet I guess.

**FITZZ**

@ Kamikazi..

I get your point,but you also have to look at things from the perspective of long term gamers,GW wasn't always what it is now...and many of the changes made have been for the worse.
Many of us post from a "Really?.." Perspective.

**KamikazeCanuck**

FITZZ wrote: @ Kamikazi..

I get your point,but you also have to look at things from the perspective of long term gamers,GW wasn't always what it is now...and many of the changes made have been for the worse.
Many of us post from a "Really?.." Perspective.

Well my post seems to belong more on page 2. Everyone seems to be in a warm, happy place on page 3.
Nonetheless, what really has happened since the days of yore to warrent "Really?"

**Manchu**

@FITZZ: I have to say, it was never as good then as some remember and it's not as bad now as some imagine. If price outsrtips quality in a person's mind they don't need to attribute it to GW personally persecuting them (or failing to read their mind). You can't tell me that upon reading a new release thread you've never thought "that's awesome, maybe a bit pricey, and I'm sure username: So-And-So will be right over to explain exactly why this is the worst thing ever done to anyone by anyone in the history of everything." Now, I'm not saying that username: The-Other-One won't come along to fight him to the bitter end. They're both yo-yo's.