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purplefood wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Yes, Christians, Jews and Muslims all believe in the same frikkin God. I wish people would tell them that more.

It's a little hard after more than 2000 years of wars and slaughter...
And stupid people who blindly follows their religious leaders...
Where is the Emperor when we need him?

He is busy being fictional...
Though he had the right view on religion IMO

word.

purplefood wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Yes, Christians, Jews and Muslims all believe in the same frikkin God. I wish people would tell them that more.

It's a little hard after more than 2000 years of wars and slaughter...
And stupid people who blindly follows their religious leaders...
Where is the Emperor when we need him?

He is busy being fictional...
Though he had the right view on religion IMO

I have the same view, but it's hard to explain this to people.
Religion is a dangerous thing today, it drives the people crazy.
In the end, they only kill because the other guy don't believe in your God?
Religion should be better controlled if you ask me.

Purplefood is quite correct.

They are all the same God. That is why its called the Abrahamic God and why the Abrahamic religions are all fethed up.

That is one thing I like about 40K, religion is a train wreck that doesn't deserve notice. The Emperor knew this and avoided it as best he could. But, humans will always grasp for it, religion, unfortunately.

Micromegas wrote:Purplefood is quite correct.

They are all the same God. That is why its called the Abrahamic God and why the Abrahamic religions are all fethed up.

That is one thing I like about 40K, religion is a train wreck that doesn't deserve notice. The Emperor knew this and avoided it as best he could. But, humans will always grasp for it, religion, unfortunately.

Or the One True God. I forgot the Cylons, Cylons believe in him too.

Brother Coa wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Yes, Christians, Jews and Muslims all believe in the same frikkin God. I wish people would tell them that more.

It's a little hard after more than 2000 years of wars and slaughter...
And stupid people who blindly follows their religious leaders...
Where is the Emperor when we need him?

He is busy being fictional...
Though he had the right view on religion IMO

I have the same view, but it's hard to explain this to people.
Religion is a dangerous thing today, it drives the people crazy.
In the end, they only kill because the other guy don't believe in your God?
Religion should be better controlled if you ask me.

That's a bit much...
There are plenty of non-violent religions...
Budhism
Cricket
Pastafarianism
The Brotherhood of Nod... oh wait maybe not that one.
Belief is what you make it and however ridiculous it may seem you can't really argue with it.
The biggest problem with most religion is fundamentalism-Doing everything a thousand year old book tells you to do is strange it was written in a different time by people who had no idea of our world most people can live with changes but some cna't.
That's my view anyway...
Back to the subject at hand...
The Emperor probably went by a dozen different names in his time.

I believe Pastafarianism is a branch of atheism. Anyways why aren't the mods locking this for off-topicness?

KamikazeCanuck wrote:I believe Pastafarianism is a branch of atheism. Anyways why aren't the mods locking this for off-topicness?

The Modquisition is off torturing heretics...

Actually, religion is dangerous.

Buddhism is one of the religions that often times is called to the forefront of being "peaceful". The thing is religion cheapens life and in the early days of man it allowed for wars and war crimes to be justified, along with other horrible atrocities against humanity.

Unfortunately, I can't recall some of the more negative things of/and about Buddhism, so my argument will fall pretty flat. But the cheapening of life remains; wage war, maim, burn, purge, slaughter, rape, etc.. it's alright, you're slaying the infidel and converting them, God wants this. I will probably have to dig out some of my books on Buddhism to find what I was trying to recall. At any rate, I hold a high disdain for all religions. I don't usually go around picking fights with people that choose to believe in a god, though. Unless I get riled up! /rawr

purplefood wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:I believe Pastafarianism is a branch of atheism. Anyways why aren't the mods locking this for off-topicness?

The Modquisition is off torturing heretics...

Usually for the Modquisition off-topic-people are heretics. I guess that's only for Tau threads.

Micromegas wrote:Actually, religion is dangerous.

Buddhism is one of the religions that often times is called to the forefront of being "peaceful". The thing is religion cheapens life and in the early days of man it allowed for wars and war crimes to be justified, along with other horrible atrocities against humanity.

Unfortunately, I can't recall some of the more negative things of/and about Buddhism, so my argument will fall pretty flat. But the cheapening of life remains; wage war, maim, burn, purge, slaughter, rape, etc.. it's alright, you're slaying the infidel and converting them, God wants this. I will probably have to dig out some of my books on Buddhism to find what I was trying to recall. At any rate, I hold a high disdain for all religions. I don't usually go around picking fights with people that choose to believe in a god, though. Unless I get riled up! /rawr

I didn't say they weren't dangerous.
Just that going around telling people they can't believe in something is ridiculous.
Freedom is a package deal. You have the freedom to believe in something but if you affect someones elses freedom (by kiling them for not believing) then you are in the wrong, otherwise it's all gravy... well sort of.

Oh, sorry purple. Sometimes I get tunnel vision when people start talking about religion.

I can understand that...
This has got soooo off topic...
I feel guilty for even posting on it now.

Well, in the interest of a discussion becoming more "on topic":

It's Chad. His name is Chad.

There. Now wasn't that an interesting discussion the topic police can be happy enough with?

(Oh wait.. I almost forgot to add, "discuss", to keep the thread moving)

--The Emperor's name is Chad. Discuss.

I like Lance Square-Jaw personally.

But, he's from 'Anatolia' and in our present time that's Turkey, so...

The most common name in the US is John Smith.

and since I have no imagination,Yahya Demirci... umm, John Smith in Arabic and Turkish.

Micromegas wrote:The thing is religion cheapens life and in the early days of man it allowed for wars and war crimes to be justified, along with other horrible atrocities against humanity.

Are you seriously suggesting that if it wasn't for religion then wars wouldn't happen? Also, could you please provide an example of a war that was initiated purely for religion?

Uhlan wrote:But, he's from 'Anatolia' and in our present time that's Turkey, so...

At the time he was born it wasn't Turkey. Not sure what it was (it may have been before the Byzantines (or their ancestors) arrived there), but his name would almost certainly not have been in either Arabic or Turkish. I'm pretty sure his name has yet to be given.

As to those saying he was various religious leaders, considering he was supposed to be guiding humanity from the shadows, so to speak, I highly doubt he was Jesus or Muhammad who drew a lot of attention to themselves.

purplefood wrote:This has got soooo off topic...

Indeed. I can appreciate, even applaud, the way that conversations and discussions can take odd routes. But, especially when discussing fictional backstories of characters in the 40K setting, we ask users to show some understanding and sensitivity to the views and opinions of other posters and members. I understand that no one here was deliberately trying to be offensive to others, but some/several of the comments have, frankly, gone over the line.

I'll leave this open for now as, and fair play to you, the thread posters appeared to have moved back on track and away from areas that really have nothing to do with the background of the 40k setting.

Be cool to each other please Dakkanauts.

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

Micromegas wrote:The thing is religion cheapens life and in the early days of man it allowed for wars and war crimes to be justified, along with other horrible atrocities against humanity.

Are you seriously suggesting that if it wasn't for religion then wars wouldn't happen? Also, could you please provide an example of a war that was initiated purely for religion?

The crusades.

VikingScott wrote:

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

Micromegas wrote:The thing is religion cheapens life and in the early days of man it allowed for wars and war crimes to be justified, along with other horrible atrocities against humanity.

Are you seriously suggesting that if it wasn't for religion then wars wouldn't happen? Also, could you please provide an example of a war that was initiated purely for religion?

The crusades.

You mean the same Crusades that were started to take land and treasure in the Middle East but was SAID to be about religion?

Try actually reading about them past a high school text, the Crusades were hardly about purely religious reasons.

@Randomevilguy

Are you serious? The Holy Crusades, the whole point of which was to secure the Holy Land? No, I am not so narrow-minded to think that wars happen only because of religion. Please re-read my post, maybe a little slower. All I said was that religion made wars justifiable for the masses. There was a time when man blindly followed whatever the Church threw at him. The Church was corrupt and you'd be pretty ignorant to think it didn't hold considerable power over many nations. I'll leave it at that.


On topic:

I think the Emperor has no name. His name is a connotation of his existence. That he is literally and figuratively the Emperor of Man, whether Man wills it or not. But, if he had to have a name I'd say it was Link Austere.


ED: I hardly think that helps the case, Plat. But you are right and bring up a good point. The fact remains that religion is what rallied the people to arms. It was also what absolved them of their sins. Yes, I suppose you could say they weren't "purely for religion", but they were fought for it and was made possible because of it.

Platuan4th wrote:
You mean the same Crusades that were started to take land and treasure in the Middle East but was SAID to be about religion?

Not just to take land and treasure. There were myriad reasons, but while religion may have inspired the masses, I don't think it had a great effect on the actual wars being declared.

Micromegas wrote:Are you serious? The Holy Crusades, the whole point of which was to secure the Holy Land? No, I am not so narrow-minded to think that wars happen only because of religion. Please re-read my post, maybe a little slower. All I said was that religion made wars justifiable for the masses. There was a time when man blindly followed whatever the Church threw at him. The Church was corrupt and you'd be pretty ignorant to think it didn't hold considerable power over many nations. I'll leave it at that.

The (first few) crusades were for a lot of reasons. Not just to reclaim the Holy Land, but also to defend the Byzantine Empire and to safeguard Christian pilgrims (as well as land, glory and wealth). Religion is not required for the masses to justify a war. Most wars don't require it (such as the Hundred Years War and pretty much every recent war). The Church wielded considerable influence but it still had to play politics, and while it held influence it's direct power was often limited (hence why Frederick II enjoyed so much success).

I think the Emperor has no name. His name is a connotation of his existence. That he is literally and figuratively the Emperor of Man, whether Man wills it or not. But, if he had to have a name I'd say it was Link Austere.

If he was born normally (I'm not sure if he was if he was a amalgamation of shaman souls), then he would presumably have been named by his mother (or if she died in childbirth, then the father, or other guardian). Not that it's important. What I really want to know is how was he 'birthed'.

Thinking about it, he may have described himself like the Doctor in Doctor Who before he united Terra and embarked on the Great Crusade (as in, styling himself by titles rather than an actual name).

@RandomEvilguy

Alright, I thought you were just pure trolling. I suppose I am a bit over-zealous at times about religion. Sorry for coming off ass-like. However, I still hold my stance that religion has enabled for horrible acts to take place.

Doctor Who.

You may be correct, I don't think the Emperor was birthed as a human would be though. Perhaps, something akin to a Chaos god?

The emperor probably did have an "original" name given to him by his parents when he was born, but over the mellenia has taken many different names and lived many different lives. As many have said, it is popular belief that he was many religious leaders, rulers and prophets over time "guiding" humanity (explaining all the miracles around famous and religious leaders) Although he is now known as "Chuck Noris" in the 21st C

Am I really going to have to say it?

Chuck Norris.

His name is 'Jemobud' or it could be 'Mobudje'.

You can can call him what the heck you like though, his cripled ass is hooked up to life support, he cannot hear you anyway.

Mr. Burning wrote:His name is 'Jemobud' or it could be 'Mobudje'.

You can can call him what the heck you like though, his cripled ass is hooked up to life support, he cannot hear you anyway.

Actually, as evidenced by the Inquisition War, he can.

He's PSYCHIC.

Da he is Raspuetin

Platuan4th wrote:

Mr. Burning wrote:His name is 'Jemobud' or it could be 'Mobudje'.

You can can call him what the heck you like though, his cripled ass is hooked up to life support, he cannot hear you anyway.

Actually, as evidenced by the Inquisition War, he can.

He's PSYCHIC.

ah yes the that book. where he has multiple personalities and an inquisitor is so petty he pretends to be nuts so his friend will kill him because an CALLIDUS ASSASSIN doesnt remember his name.

His name is !Xobile

Einhander, imo.

Martin Sue.