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Velma. Wilma's Fred Flinstone's wife.

Kilkrazy, we've already had that picture of a Sister Dialogus posted so I don't know why you--

Oh, dang it!

Chaos dreadnought. What the hell is up with that left hand? It looks like it's waiting for its nails to dry.

Abaddon, Abaddon, Abaddon. The worst model for one of the best characters.

Basic sisters definately need a bit of re-doing >.<


also chaos terminators and tau fire warriors (mainly they just need a bit more customisation options!)

I would say that standard CSMs and their differing cult marine models need to be redone. The proportions of their helmets, compared to loyalists really drove me away from playing CSM when I first picked up the game.

Since this thread isn't in the 40k section I'll go for.

Warmachine
Cryx: Bloodgorgers in plastic
Cryx: Black Ogrun in plastic
Mercs: Steelhead Cavalry in plastic

Hordes
Circle: Skinwalkers in plastic

15mm WWII
German: SdKfz 250d and 251d in plastic
US: M10s in plastic

Happygrunt wrote:What needs redoing?
The Catachan range.

Are we in 2005?

Happygrunt wrote:Specifically, the Command set.

Are you insane?

martin74 wrote:the land speeders. have you ever put one of those together. such a pain in the @$$.

Again, are we sure this is 2011? Because it sounds like you are complaining about the OLD land speeder kit.

Blitza da warboy wrote:Obliterators (they look silly, not scary.)

I hate to sound like a broken record, but wtf? Are we still in 3.0e? Complaining about obliterators?

Kid_Kyoto wrote:What it says on the tin - What kits are most in need of re-doing?

With 6th edition in sight Marines will get some new toys so we might get an update to the 4th edition Razorback now with all the options.

Looking at the awesome GK Termis the current termis just look like rubbish, I can see them being redone, hopefully with all the assault options included.

In fantasy I've been hoping the line of stiff Chaos warriors will get redone. They look good, don't get me wrong, but kind of boring in a unit and they're missing their great weapon options.

Who else?

What else?

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Woah woah woah, wait a second there! 6th edition is coming? O.O I didn't know that, so thanks for the news!

On the question, I think the whole high elf, dark elf, and wood elf ranges need a bit of redoing or such things.

I think we can all agree it's high time for loyalists to get a new plastic Dreadnought.

Dread Knight ....... why? to make it look less like an action figure -_-

Imperial Guard could use some new priest models. And Rough Riders

Void_walker wrote:Fantasy wise, think that would have to go to the Empire Knights and Milita. Pretty sure that they are the last of the fantasy that needs done as they haven't had a remodel in close to 6 odd years.

Have you seen what they did to the State Troops? The Militia are just about perfect. The new Empire infantry are abhuman freaks.

My first choice is, of course, Sisters of Battle. Our basic troops choice is reliant on metal models created during 2nd edition, and costs ~50 pounds for 10. Reduce that by 70% with a new box of multipart plastics, and I'll be able to start collecting again.

The concept behind Crisis suits is nice, but they have no positioning options besides standing, or squatting in the air on a flying base. I like the bulky, "realistic" battlesuit, but the legs at least (and the ankles of doom) need to be redone.

The ankles of doom were redone with the current Codex.

I quite like the 'translator' or whatever she is, I like all that range of figures, it's nice to have a few imperial figures that aren't wielding huge guns for a change.

Here's mine I did some years ago...


Abbadon really needs doing, why are they still selling this old piece? He's supposed to be one of the most prominent chaos characters. I had mine half price in the great lead sale which shows just how old this figure is. He was well cool then but now he's just undersized and rather static looking, a result of the casting technology of the time.

ph34r wrote:

Happygrunt wrote:What needs redoing?
The Catachan range.

Are we in 2005?

Happygrunt wrote:Specifically, the Command set.

Are you insane?

What? I dont like the kit. I like the options, but the one piece body, instead of the 2 piece torso and leg sets, are a terrible idea that cut down on the kit bash appeal. Plus, they all have smashed faces.

Space Marines + Dark Angels:
Power Armour Calgar, Terminator Captain, Imperial Fists Chaplain, Non-Servo Harness Techmarines, Metal Apothecaries, Metal Standard Bearer, Dark Angel Deathwing Terminator, Metal Scouts, Metal Sergeants, Metal Assault Sergeants, Azrael, Ezekiel, Asmondai, Dark Angels Company Master, Deathwing Terminator Sergeant, Dark Angel Sergeant (non-Robed), Standard Bearer - All suffer 2nd Edition Small Metal Marine Syndrome (SESMMS), and frequently Static Model Syndrome (SMS).
Dark Angel Sergeant (Robed), Dark Angel Tactical Sergeant - How static can we make these models? And why do they both point their guns upwards? Oh yeah, so they can be one-piece models.
Scouts - Need better heads. They all look the same.
Metal Devastators - Huge metal guns on lightweight plastic bodies. Fall forwards all the time. Recut the Plastic Devastator sprue so you actually get 4 of everything and do away with these.
Razorback / Rhino - They're the same price. Why? Make a combined kit and add all the razorback variants.
Space Marine Land Speeder - The recut helped, but still a pig to assemble.
Space Marine Bike Squad, Space Marine Bike, Space Marine Attack Bike, Space Marine Chaplain on Bike, White Scars Bike Squad - Aesthetically fine aside from the space behind the seat and the inevitable seem going down the centre, but the sprue is old and lacks variety. Get rid of the metal bits, and make the squad a whole plastic set.
Land Raider - Add a multimelta pintle. Thats all.
Devastator Squad - Way to not include enough of the the useful weapons. I want 4 of every weapon, or failing that, 5 different boxes for each heavy weapon type. One Multi Melta? One missile launcher? Honestly...
Predator - Sponsons keep snapping. Just strip the Baal Predator model of blood drops and put the right weapons on it.
Thunderfire Cannon - Every tried to assemble one? Worst model to assemble in the range. Make plastic.
Sergeant Chronus - Just change that helmet. Yuk.

Blood Angels:
Mephiston, Tycho, Dante, Corbulo - SESMMS. SMS for everyone but Dante

Daemons:
Bloodthirster, Lord of Change - Their wings hate you and will never stay on, pinned or otherwise.
Skulltaker - Ugly as sin. And not in a good way.
Beasts of Nurgle, Fiend of Slaanesh - Aesthetically terrible, and hugely expensive. Not enough model variety to make a plausible unit.
Plaguebearers - Why are they not plastic yet?
Furies - Wing issues, and aesthetic issues.

Chaos Space Marines:
Chaos Space Marine Khorne Lord on Juggernaut, Abaddon, Cypher, Chaos Space Marine Emperor's Children Lord, all Chaos Metal Terminators, Metal Icon Bearers. - SESMMS, SMS. Kharn, Fabious and Ahriman manage to pull it off.
Chaos Space Marines Night Lords Hero - What on earth is that? Looks like an overexcited model designer went berserk.
Sorcerers - SMS
Chaos Space Marine Dreadnought - Why regular marines have about 6 different plastic dreads and this scourge still exists is beyond me. Good as a weapon when put in a sock.
Khorne Berzerkers - Silly running poses.
Chaos Space Marine Bikers - Like loyalist marines, but even less variety.
Doomrider - Actually, I take it back. He's so bad he's good.
Defiler - Ugly as sin. That head stuck on top doesnt help. Everyone i know just uses Soulgrinders.
Obliterators - Metal, Ugly. Bad combo.
Chaos Space Marine Havoks - Front-heavy, only one of each weapon. Useless.

Dark Eldar:
Drazhar - Redone to match new Incubi aesthetic.
Haemonculus - Just ugly and non-threatening. More like Urien please.
Mandrake - Three poses? Metal? Supposed to be used to make units of 10? Did we just travel back in time 10 years?
Khymeras, Razorwings - Too expensive to make units from. Make them plastic and with more poses.
Talos - But we know that's out in June anyway.

Eldar:
Autarch on Bike, Eldar Jetbike - 2nd edition, no detail at all, no variety, mismatched against modern models.
Avatar - Looks silly when you see what it could be like. (i.e. the Forgeworld version).
All the Phoenix Lords - Static, too small, not enough detail.
All aspect Warriors - Should really be plastic by now.
Wraithguard - Perhaps the most deserving on this list. Expensive, static, metal, limit poses, ugly.

Grey Knights:
Preachers - Old and ugly. Seriously, a spiked wooden club? Can be salvaged by weapon swapping with modern equivalents.
Metal Special Weapon GKs - Now mismatched against plastics, and probably unnecessary.

Imperial Guard:
Alrahem, Catachan Officers, Tallarn Officer, Stormtroopers, Catachan Assault Weapons - SMS
Ogryns - Ugly and not in a cool way, metal, expensive. It's a bad unit anyway, dont further handicap them with terrible models.
Rough Riders - Look Silly, Outdated weapons, generic plastic horses, don't fit in with the rest of the army. Bad all round, especially when compared to FW deathriders.
Basilisk - Combination plastic artillery kit please.

Necrons:
Immortals, Pariahs, Flayed Ones - There should never be metal models necessary for 10 men units.
Necron Warriors - Bow-legged. Boring.
Scarab Swarm - Doesn't fit with the modern scarab look.

Orks:
Meganobz - Plastic and variety please.
Metal Nobz, Stormboy Nob - No longer necessary
Ork Deffkopta - Just release the Black Reach ones.
Wartrakk, Warbuggy, Skorcha - Terrible when they were released for Gorkamorka. Now it's just embarrassing.
Big Gunz - the lack of barrel depth is really obvious.

Space Wolves:
Ragnar, Run Priest in Terminator Armour, Ulrik, Njal Classic, Iron Priest, Wolf Guard, Standard Bearer - SESMMS, SMS

Tau Empire:
Crisis Battle Suit, O'Shovah, Crisis Commander: Ugly, weak at the ankles. Again, Forgeworld shows how they could look if done right.
Space Pope - Ugly.
Aun Shi, Vespid - SMS
Broadside - Combination ugly plastic body and unstable, prone to snapping off ugly metal bits.

Tyranids:
Tyranid Ripper Swarm - Doesn't fit modern ripper look.
Old One Eye - Looks silly.

Witch Hunters:
Preachers - As with GK.
Sisters Repentia - Silly.
Henchmen Dialogus - As someone said. Looks like a SoB Sex Doll.
Metal Sisters, Seraphim - Again, shouldn't be metal by now. Aesthetically fine.
Battle Organ - Stupid as all hell, and weighs a ton.

Munga wrote:Chaos dreadnought. What the hell is up with that left hand? It looks like it's waiting for its nails to dry.

It made a certain amount of sense when the Power Scourge actually had rules, but yeah, a proper DCCW for it would be nice.

ph34r wrote:

martin74 wrote:the land speeders. have you ever put one of those together. such a pain in the @$$.

Again, are we sure this is 2011? Because it sounds like you are complaining about the OLD land speeder kit.

No, the current kit is horrible. Not in design, just in the fact that it is prone to some serious warpage on the fuselage parts, so is a right pain to assemble. The only other vehicle kit that I can think of that's as bad is the old Raider, which luckily isn't a problem any more.


For myself, the kits I would most like to see redone are Ork Buggies and Tracks (the vehicles themselves are fine, but some new crew would be nice). Followed by the Heavy Destroyer, as plastic-metal hybrids at the best of times are the work of the devil, and plastic-metal hybrids with a large chunk of metal hanging off one side of a flight stem are a sign of the end times.

Cadians could do with having all four of the special weapons on the sprue. A Space Wolf Scout kit with all the weapon options would be nice as well.

I think core is pretty important when it comes to choosing an army...
since they are almost mandatory and we just cant go around not having them , so....

High Elves core... Spearmen and Archers are ugly

Tomb Kings ... Yep out dated and ugly

Which dissapoints me since i love the 2 armies , and they should have updated models to go with the new edition.

insaniak wrote:
No, the current kit is horrible. Not in design, just in the fact that it is prone to some serious warpage on the fuselage parts, so is a right pain to assemble. The only other vehicle kit that I can think of that's as bad is the old Raider, which luckily isn't a problem any more.

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Yes, but it's a positive joy compared to the older metal Land speeders I think! Although the new little rare earth magnets at least make the prospect of it surviving a battle on its flight stand a realistic one now. Back in the day after one movement phase they seemed to spend the game flying around on the ground like some kind of futuristic lawn mower

GCMandrake - in amongst your exhaustive list, definitely the marine scouts. They look far too much like Wayne Rooney.

My biggest argument would be for a new Chaos sprue, and for GW to go mental with the design. Make something really chaos, and not just marine armour with the odd arrow on a gauntlet or spike on a shoulder pad.

Pacific wrote: Back in the day after one movement phase they seemed to spend the game flying around on the ground like some kind of futuristic lawn mower

The trick there was to snip the peg off the top of the flight stem, drill the hole in the bottom of the speeder out a little larger, and glue the end of the flight stem right up in there. The same trick almost made the old metal-plastic Fireprism something vaguely approximating stable.

Khorne Berserkers could use a good resculpt. The current Berserker frame dates back to third edition and has the oversized fists that were apparent in third edition.

insaniak wrote:

Pacific wrote: Back in the day after one movement phase they seemed to spend the game flying around on the ground like some kind of futuristic lawn mower

The trick there was to snip the peg off the top of the flight stem, drill the hole in the bottom of the speeder out a little larger, and glue the end of the flight stem right up in there. The same trick almost made the old metal-plastic Fireprism something vaguely approximating stable.

Where were you when I was 12 insaniak!

I'd say if Eldar got new jetbikes and plastic wraithguard I'd be really tempted to play them again. The new FW wraithseer looks all kind of sexy and a wraithguard/wraithlord heavy list would be cool as hell with plastic wraithguard.

For Chaos I'd like to see plastic greater daemons(not holding my breath there), plastic plague bearers, and the obvious CSM models mentioned already that are ancient.

New zombies for VCs. I don't even play fantasy, but I'd buy a box or two of zombies anyway!

Happygrunt wrote:Maybe chaos bikes would look like choppers?

What needs redoing?
The Catachan range. Specifically, the Command set. 3 of the 5 bodies are one piece. THAT IS BAD! DO NOT DO THAT! The whole range is kinda bad as well.

I know this is like a page late, but the Catachan command set is fantastic. The infantry squad DEFINITELY needs retooling, but the command and heavy weapon squads are great.

The dwarven lineup, slayers, lords, engies, runesmiths aside. They really need work. The plastic barely goes together.

Many SM kits need to be redone as well just as many are showing flaws. Holes in backpacks, many misaligned pieces.

Brother SRM wrote:

Happygrunt wrote:Maybe chaos bikes would look like choppers?

What needs redoing?
The Catachan range. Specifically, the Command set. 3 of the 5 bodies are one piece. THAT IS BAD! DO NOT DO THAT! The whole range is kinda bad as well.

I know this is like a page late, but the Catachan command set is fantastic. The infantry squad DEFINITELY needs retooling, but the command and heavy weapon squads are great.

Dont get me wrong, I love the bits and the commander heads, but the one piece body's? YUCK!