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What it says on the tin - What kits are most in need of re-doing?

With 6th edition in sight Marines will get some new toys so we might get an update to the 4th edition Razorback now with all the options.

Looking at the awesome GK Termis the current termis just look like rubbish, I can see them being redone, hopefully with all the assault options included.

In fantasy I've been hoping the line of stiff Chaos warriors will get redone. They look good, don't get me wrong, but kind of boring in a unit and they're missing their great weapon options.

Who else?

What else?

I disagree that the current Terminators need to be redone.

I think that they really just need more accessorizing.
That's what really separates the GK/Space Wolf/Chaos Terminators from the Loyalist 'blah' Terminators.

I'd love to see some robed and hooded Terminators with claymores in lieu of Thunder Hammers for Dark Angels, but that's wishing.

For kits that really really need redoing?
Try almost the entire Elf ranges for WHFB.

the land speeders. have you ever put one of those together. such a pain in the @$$.

i would like to see a kit for commissar/lord commissar. much like the space marine captain. doesnt seem that much to ask for.

a hydra kit. no buying two seperate kits to make one vehicle.

On a less imperial note

Necrons:

Heavy Destroyers
Tomb Spyders
Flayed Ones
Pariahs
Immortals

Orks

Meganobz
A couple of the specials have no official model (Wazdakka and Zogwort i think)
Buggies
Wartrakks and Wartrakks Skorchas

Dark Eldar (i'm sure these will be along soon )

Haemonculi (the old ones look awful)
Grotesques (now called Wracks, with grotesques now being the big ones )

Eldar

Wraithguard already !!
Possibly the bikes. They look ok, but a little dated.

I'm sure there are plenty more, but those are the ones that occur to me

For this thread I'm not really thinking about units that need plastic kits, but ones that have old kits in need of re-doing.

The marine bikes for example date to 2nd edition, so do the Space Elfen bikes.

The Chaos Marines are just Imperial marines with green stuff spikes (they actually showed that in WD!). Mixing them with the Possessed helps make them look more chaosy but they could use a good resculpt.

Jain Zar, IMO worst-looking model in the game.
Definitely Eldar jetbikes, the pilots look pretty silly.
The Avatar, he really should be bigger.

And seeing as how GW is supposedly not making metal models anymore, pretty much everything that was metal, haha.

Just about any and all Bike units need redoing. As has been posted pretty much all the WHFB High Elf range also needs redoing. The Chaos Space Marine Dreadnought! Chaos Havocs. Chaos Raptors. Khorne Berzererkers. Noise Marines don't need a resculpt so much as they actually need more than a *single* sonic weapon in their box. Warp Spiders need an update. Wraithguard, while not bad, are also quite old. Warlocks definitely need an update, as do the Phoenix Lords. Ork Buggies/Trakks *very* much need an update. Tyranids could use a new Biovore. Almost all the Sisters mini's could use updated being from 2E. And we should probably never have to lay eyes on the Rough Rider models ever again.

martin74 wrote:the land speeders. have you ever put one of those together. such a pain in the @$$.

The land speeders got redone when the Space Marine codex came out in 2008. The new kit is apparently very nice, but not that many people field speeders in my groups.

Space Marine bikers need redoing, that's for sure. Eldar Guardian jetbikes do as well. The Vyper could stand to be redone, even if it still looks good for its age. Eldar need a lot of plastic though.

Ascalam wrote:On a less imperial note

Necrons:

Heavy Destroyers
Tomb Spyders
Flayed Ones
Pariahs
Immortals

Orks

Meganobz
A couple of the specials have no official model (Wazdakka and Zogwort i think)
Buggies
Wartrakks and Wartrakks Skorchas

Dark Eldar (i'm sure these will be along soon )

Haemonculi (the old ones look awful)
Grotesques (now called Wracks, with grotesques now being the big ones )

Eldar

Wraithguard already !!
Possibly the bikes. They look ok, but a little dated.

I'm sure there are plenty more, but those are the ones that occur to me

sO... all the model ranges that are due for a new codex... I wonder why GW just doesnt re-release them now?

TBH... if someone could teach me how to re-ceast Wraithguard into resin, I would melt my metal ones. Not only would they balance on a standard base, they would also be easier to pose for conversions.

Rumor has it that the 'Crons are up for a re-do, so we may see some of the list in plastic or at least redone.

The dark eldar Wracks and Haemonculi are pretty much a given, just waiting for them to let it out

The rest would be nice, but it will likely be a while for some of them at least.

Maybe chaos bikes would look like choppers?

What needs redoing?
The Catachan range. Specifically, the Command set. 3 of the 5 bodies are one piece. THAT IS BAD! DO NOT DO THAT! The whole range is kinda bad as well.

Abbadon (too small for a model with such kickass stats.)

noise marines (too little weaponry.)

Grotsnik and painboy (both dont fit with the newer ork sculpts.)

Obliterators (they look silly, not scary.)
Chaos dreadnought (its ugly, and its metal.)

thats pretty much all I care about, although some eldar, and catachan models could be nicer too.

Im thinking Obliterators
Horrible, ugly models and yet they are almost necessary to include in a CSM force

Happygrunt wrote:What needs redoing?
The Catachan range. Specifically, the Command set. 3 of the 5 bodies are one piece. THAT IS BAD! DO NOT DO THAT! The whole range is kinda bad as well.

But that's a brand new kit. i wouldn't hope too highly for it.

I'm not familiar with every kit that GW make.

From my experience all the SM kits ought to be improved with more options and stuff..

Also the Tau Devilfish, Crisis Suit and Fire Warriors are all quite shonky. They were designed in 2002, so if the moulds are getting worn the release of the new codex is a good opportunity to remake all of the, and include a lot of extra parts (Broadside guns, drone equipment) on the sprues.

Asuron wrote:Im thinking Obliterators
Horrible, ugly models and yet they are almost necessary to include in a CSM force

Blitza da warboy wrote:
Obliterators (they look silly, not scary.

If you think the new Oblits look bad, you should have seen their previous, blocky incarnations.

AvatarForm wrote:

Asuron wrote:Im thinking Obliterators
Horrible, ugly models and yet they are almost necessary to include in a CSM force

Blitza da warboy wrote:
Obliterators (they look silly, not scary.

If you think the new Oblits look bad, you should have seen their previous, blocky incarnations.

Yeah those were the worst production model i saw come from GW. Considering they are suppose to be sort of corrupt Tech priests (imperial SM ones are way cool.)

Eldar bikes and wraithguard and special characters need redone badly

How they should structure the models is have basic model boxes and kit boosters for each faction, would save a ton of money for everyone. So basic marines - Spacewolf ups/Dark Angels ups/etc I mean look at the chaos vehicles..
seriously think they really need another massive box on a shelf for them small additional pieces.

I absolutely agree on the Chaos Warriors and Eldar Jetbikes. I like the WHFB elf stuff though, I don't think it needs a re-do.

I'd like to see a new Cadian kit come out, with more options for building non-Cadian looking armies in it.

Fantasy wise, think that would have to go to the Empire Knights and Milita. Pretty sure that they are the last of the fantasy that needs done as they haven't had a remodel in close to 6 odd years.

+1 on the eldar jetbikes.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:Kits most in need of re-doing?

Does this include metal models? If so, Wraithguard. If you just mean existing plastic kits, I think the Eldar need new Jetbikes long before Marines need new tanks.

htj wrote:I'd like to see a new Cadian kit come out, with more options for building non-Cadian looking armies in it.

Wait... Why a new Cadian kit so you can make non-Cadians? That makes no sense. You're basically just asking for a completely new range of ambiguous IG. Like making red White Scars...



King Ghidorah

MandalorynOranj wrote:Jain Zar, IMO worst-looking model in the game.

I will take your Jain Zar, and raise you this:

Out of my head:

Fantasy:
HE spearmen, bowmen and silver helmets.
DE Warriors
Skaven Nightrunners
Tomb King standards could use an update as well, but not that urgently.

40k
Eldar jetbikes (Wraithguard is not a redo of a kit, but a new plastic kit)
maybe SM bikes.
Landspeeder was recut recently for better assembly.

Warbuggies/war trakks FTW

Pacific wrote:

MandalorynOranj wrote:Jain Zar, IMO worst-looking model in the game.

I will take your Jain Zar, and raise you this:

Is that supposed to be a bad figure? I think it looks pretty awesome. It's exactly the way the IoM religious extremists should look.

Except she's supposed to be a translator of some sort

Kanluwen wrote:Except she's supposed to be a translator of some sort

Although still an Adepta Sororitas. Being a religious fanatic is required for entry.

Anyway, I love that mini.

She might be an Adepta Sororitas, but it's not like the Dialogus flagellate themselves

Well, not officially, certainly.

Aside from the glasses, I think that's a pretty cool model.

Well, each to their own!



I look at this picture and I think 2 things:
- Wilma from Scooby Doo
- Sex doll

Really I would rate this mini lower than the ogre cheerleader, at least that was obvious in it's crude and in-your-face vulgarity, this mini is far more sinister. If it's on the tabletop, you start to get an uncomfortable feeling between your shoulder blades and a dull headache behind the eyes, but you don't know why. ^^