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Disembarking from a drop pod is not optional, nor is their delayin doing so. It is a single action. There is no space, nor time, nor pause between setting down drop pod and disembarking unit involuntarily.

Coteaz may make an out of sequence shooting attack, but NO unit in 40k may make an out-of-sequence Magick-Type "Interrupt." Nothing in 40k can. All attacks are rolled at once, all saves are rolled at once, all actions are completed unit by unit before anything else in the game progresses. If Lucas the Trickster fails a wound and dies, and you rolled his save before any others, you don't immediately pause to resolve his affects, you roll the rest of the saves first.

Nor can you take an out of sequence shooting attack at a disembarking unit after the first model gets out before any other does - the action must be completed first. As I said, 40k has no "Interrupt" spells.

A drop pod does not drop down with contents...pause halfway through its option to get shot at, then continue with the same action. A drop pod drops, and disembarks a unit. They both explicitly count as having arrived from reserve via deep-strike that turn. The rulebook says so.

Coteaz can shoot immediately upon arrival, which means as soon as you are done arriving. Not on your way down from the sky, not before you scatter, not after you've started bringing in the next reserve unit, but as soon as the unit has finished arriving from reserve.

The "unit inside is impervious because it hasn't arrived yet" when their arrival is in conjunction with the drop-pod and involuntary is like saying that Snikrot ambushing from the back table edge - as soon as the first model gets onto the board, Cotteaz fires at them. Not true. The unit arrives from reserve. When they are done - when their movement is completed...then the *next* action, whatever action that is, can take place.

Dronze wrote:
2. Dreadnought disembarks, either because of pod destruction or resolution of pod's DS procedure. Because the dreadnought, at this point, has already ARRIVED from reserve, but was ineligible to be targeted by Coteaz due to LOS restrictions, our inquisitor friend cannot target the Dread, as it meets the LOS conditions for being a target only AFTER the option to fire on it has passed.

My emphasis.

Where does it say when the option to fire on it has passed? It doesn't say how "LONG" he has to shoot at a unit from reserve, or even how many times he may do so in a turn.

The unit immediately disembarks, and Coteaz immediately fired

Nothing states which takes precendence, and you have no permission to interrupt the pod forced disembark.

nosferatu1001 wrote:The unit immediately disembarks, and Coteaz immediately fired

Nothing states which takes precendence, and you have no permission to interrupt the pod forced disembark.

But you could shoot twice, since two units arrived from reserves within LOS and within 12".

EDIT: That is to say, he could shoot at the Drop Pod (as the first unit to arrive from reserve within 12" and LOS) and then shoot at the Dreadnought (as the second unit that arrived from reserve within 12" and LOS).

Unless it says he may only do it once, and then I'm just an idiot.

I dont disagree with the shoot twice - i just disagree that you cannot shoot at the contents at all. My guess for FAQ would be exactly the same as WH/DH mystics.

Dronze has it spot on. When the marines arrive from reserves, you check whether they are within 12" and if Coteaz can draw LoS them. As they are inside the drop pod when arriving, he can not draw LoS to them, and thus may not shoot the squad.
Once the drop pod is done dropping, he may immediately shoot it, while the space marines must immediately disembark. While I don't see an argument for either being done first, he may never shoot the unit disembarking from the pod, as it is never arriving within LOS to trigger his ability.

Jidmah wrote:Dronze has it spot on. When the marines arrive from reserves, you check whether they are within 12" and if Coteaz can draw LoS them. As they are inside the drop pod when arriving, he can not draw LoS to them, and thus may not shoot the squad.

Agreed, this is when he shoots the pod.

Jidmah wrote:Once the drop pod is done dropping, he may immediately shoot it, while the space marines must immediately disembark. While I don't see an argument for either being done first, he may never shoot the unit disembarking from the pod, as it is never arriving within LOS to trigger his ability.

But it IS arriving within LOS when it disembarks from the drop pod. Once it disembarks, it enters LOS, and that's when Coteaz shoots it... because it is:

GK Codex wrote: A unit arriving from reserves within 12" and in LOS

Jidmah - it arrives and immediately disembarks the troops, who are now (for the sake of argument) in LOS. THey can be shot.

I think one of the key points RAW is that it specifically states he can shoot as often as this occurence happens. I don't think anyone is arguing that the dreadnought is also not arriving from reserve just because it is in a drop pod. In essence the drop pod AND the dreadnought are arriving from reserve simultaneously and since there is no limit to the shooting he can do he shoots both. I see it both RAW and as intended as well. He is meant to be able to take a pot shot at anyone who arrives within 12 inches of him.

As a counterpoint if a BA player deepstrikes his LR against Corteaz and does not disembark his Terminators obviously Corteaz only gets a shot at the LR. The terminators who disembark on the next turn are not arriving from reserve because they did so on the previous turn and instead are acting normally.

here is how i see this working.

drop pod arrives, scatters. if it is within 12" of cortez and in his LOS, he takes his free shots.

the unit now disembarks from the pod following the rules according to wether it is destroyed ot not.

cortez now traces LoS & 12" to the disembarked unit if he satisfisies both conditions he takes a shot.


now the way to fix this is if the pod survives deploy the unit not in his LoS, or dont deep strike/disembark 12" from cortez.

Unit1126PLL wrote:

Dronze wrote:
2. Dreadnought disembarks, either because of pod destruction or resolution of pod's DS procedure. Because the dreadnought, at this point, has already ARRIVED from reserve, but was ineligible to be targeted by Coteaz due to LOS restrictions, our inquisitor friend cannot target the Dread, as it meets the LOS conditions for being a target only AFTER the option to fire on it has passed.

My emphasis.

Where does it say when the option to fire on it has passed? It doesn't say how "LONG" he has to shoot at a unit from reserve, or even how many times he may do so in a turn.

The part where the wording puts the firing in present tense and not past tense. The option to fire is resolved as soon at the pod has hit the table and finished the scatter, interrupting the process before the dreadnought is able to disembark. Since the footprint of the contents is the same as the footprint of the model, the contents, at that point, are considered to be on the table for all game purposes, and is, for the brief time it is being transported from reserves, no different from any other squad coming onto the table in their fancy metal box and disembarking.

"If a unit ARRIVES from reserve..." Suggesting that "I've Been Expecting You" is a triggered, conditional response to an action. The dreadnought, in this case, is arriving while cloistered away in a transport, which will, upon finding it's final landing spot, vomit forth it's washing machine-like cargo from its hold. Because of the timing, this is interrupted BEFORE the dreadnought has a chance to get out because both models are, at that point in time, on the table, and the dreadnought is, even briefly, still embarked in the drop pod. Transport rules give you 2 opportunities in which to pile out of any transport, either before the transport moves, or after the transport moves. The drop pod provides an additional de facto restriction to this by disallowing models to disembark from it until after it has moved. A drop pod is just a transport with special rules, and does not disembark a model before it, and by default, it's contents, have finished arriving, Coteaz allows you to open fire when they arrive, which is somewhere in that unit of Planck time between resolving the scatter and disembarking the unit.

Coteaz couldn't open fire on the contents of a standard transport coming on off of the table edge should they decide to disembark within 12" of him that turn, so how is this any different?

Dashofpepper wrote:Disembarking from a drop pod is not optional, nor is their delayin doing so. It is a single action. There is no space, nor time, nor pause between setting down drop pod and disembarking unit involuntarily.

The "unit inside is impervious because it hasn't arrived yet" when their arrival is in conjunction with the drop-pod and involuntary is like saying that Snikrot ambushing from the back table edge - as soon as the first model gets onto the board, Cotteaz fires at them. Not true. The unit arrives from reserve. When they are done - when their movement is completed...then the *next* action, whatever action that is, can take place.

Did ANYONE read this? The drop pod hits the ground and the doors open. Fuffwise this happens in a split second. Meaning landing and disembarking happen simultaneously, meaning that coteaz can shoot the troops inside as they are arriving from reserves within twelve inches.

Rulewise, a drop pod has never been allowed to "delay" the disembarkation of its contents, meaning they run out as soon as the pod hits the ground, which happens simultaneously with the door opening.

The only real argument here is whether coteaz gets the option to shoot both. No unit drop podding in can circumvent this rule, its only a matter of whether or not he gets that multimelta shot on your drop pod as well.

Because the units are specified as ALSO arriving via Deepstrke, per chance?

How is it interrupting? You have no permission to ignore the immediately in "immediately disembark"

Droze wrote:Coteaz couldn't open fire on the contents of a standard transport coming on off of the table edge should they decide to disembark within 12" of him that turn, so how is this any different?

Actually, yes, he could, since both units are:

Arriving from reserve
In LOS
Within 12"

Just to argue a point, when the unit inside the pod arrives from reserves it isnt in LOS.

Note that the unit arrives with the pod, then must immediately disembark. This means that when the unit arrives (which is when we check Coteaz's rule) the unit is still inside the pod and hence cannot be in LOS. At the point its disembarking it has already arrived from reserves.


The unit arriving from reserves has to be both within 12" and in LOS of Coteaz when it arrives from reserves.



Of course the unit will be popping out of the pod just after it arrives, which will probably lead to Coteaz getting a FAQ allowing him a choice of targets.



Sliggoth

Sliggoth wrote:Just to argue a point, when the unit inside the pod arrives from reserves it isnt in LOS.

Note that the unit arrives with the pod, then must immediately disembark. This means that when the unit arrives (which is when we check Coteaz's rule) the unit is still inside the pod and hence cannot be in LOS. At the point its disembarking it has already arrived from reserves.

And again...not true.

40k does NOT HAVE INTERRUPT SPELLS. There is no such thing outside of fluff as a unit embarked in a drop-pod. You may not have a unit on the table inside of a drop pod. No unit, rule, or weapon in 40k may interrupt any action that any other unit is taking. You can affect those actions with your own before and after, but you may not interrupt them.

On a separate point: Check your rules. When a unit emerges from a drop pod - it is immediately considered to have arrived from reserves via deep-strike. There is no rule justification anywhere in a codex or the main rulebook to believe that the unit arrives from reserves inside the drop pod, gets out of the drop pod, and is no longer having arrived from reserves.

I have a question about Drop Pods and I don't use them. If the unit that arrives from reserves with the drop pod disembarks behind the Drop Pod so Coteaz can't see them does that mean he can't shoot them? If disembarking happens simultaneously with arriving from reserves in the case of a Drop Pod what prevents you from disembarking out of Line of Sight?

It would be difficult - the doors fall off and it is open-topped, so you can see right through it. If I were playing in a game, I might offer a cover save (depending on layout), but I would still have LOS. However, if they deploy on the other side of the drop pod, they could be outside of 12".

@ Dash Not quite sure where you are getting your idea here.


If a unit is disembarking from a vehicle (in this case a pod) then the unit would need to have been inside the vehicle. This isnt fluff, its a very simple understanding of how transport vehicles work in 40K. If a transport drives, flies or deep strikes onto the table then it can have a unit inside.

There is no need to look for some sort of magic interrupt spells in 40k. But we do need to look at what the rules say, and since a unit must disembark from a pod once the pod has landed....doesnt that mean that the unit MUST have been embarked on the pod?



BTW, I did not say that a unit that arrives via a pod no longer counts as having arrived from reserves. What I said was that when the unit arrived from reserves it was inside the pod, and as such it was not in LOS for Coteaz at that time. Of course the unit counts as having arrived from reserves that whole turn...but thats not what Coteaz is interested in.


When it arrives. This is the only time that matters for Coteaz's rule. When the unit arrives it has to be within 12" and in LOS in order for Coteaz to have the chance to shoot at the unit. If he has LOS or range later in the turn he doesnt suddenly get another chance to shoot, he has to have the conditions met WHEN IT ARRIVES.



If we have a rule in some faq that a unit inside a pod doesnt arrive until it disembarks then Coteaz would be fine. GW has its faqs split up enough that there might be one hiding out there somewhere, anyone have a location for one on this? Maybe on some faq about combat squadding out of a pod...seems to ring a bell but couldnt find one. Might be interesting if so, might mean a combat squadded pod unit might give coteaz three targets



Sliggoth

Sliggoth:

In 40k, you do one thing at a time, per unit, then move onto the next unit. When a pod arrives, the unit inside disembarks. There is no pause between the two. A unit may not be on the field inside a drop pod. You cannot interrupt any action in 40k halfway through with a modifier. There is no such thing.

When the drop comes down inside 12" of Coteaz, it becomes a viable target. BEFORE any action in the game is resolved, the unit disembarks. You cannot drop the pod and move on to another roll. You cannot drop the pod and cast a psychic power. 40k happens in steps - pod dropping and unit disembarking is one step, not two. You're suggesting that it is two steps, separate from each other. It is not. With the rules 100% clear on it....if you can think of some mechanism that interrupts an action in 40k like a magical interrupt, then you have precedent for an argument.

The closest I can think of is daemons making a unit change targets, but even that isn't an interruption for an action, its a redirection of the action.

A unit embarked in a drop pod arrives from reserves. The unit may NOT be in the drop. Aside from a delivery mechanism, they are never in it. You cannot get into it, you are not allowed into it, you are not allowed to stay in it. For all intents and purposes, the unit arrives on the table at the exact same moment as the drop pod.

It doesn't need a FAQ, it has the rulebook to back it up.

Units arrive from reserves via drop pod.
"A unit that Deep Strikes via Drop Pod may not assault in the turn it arrives." SW 47
"...arrival of the remiaing drop pods is rolled for as normal. A unit that Deep Strikes via Drop Pod may not assault in the turn it arrives." BA 32
"A unit that Deep Strikes via Drop Pod may not assault in the turn it arrives." SM 69

Coteaz says "if an enemy unit arrives from reserves within 12 and in LoS he can immediately..."
"Once the Drop Pod has landed, the hatches are blown and
all passengers must immediately disembark, as normal." SM 69

Two immediate actions, but, for a drop pod to have 'landed' this means having sucess in the deep strike. BRB reserves say: "Similarly, the player must specify if any transport vehicle in reserve is carrying any of the infantry units and/or independent characters in reserve. If they do, the unit and the transport will be rolled for together and will arrive together. Remember that a dedicated transport can only be deployed, and consequently can only be kept in reserve, either empty or transporting the unit it was selected with (plus any independent characters)." 94

So we know that drop pod arrives from reserve with the unit embarked - together - and that the unit inside must disembark.

As such there's no way for Corteaz to shoot a unit disembarking from a drop pod. They have already arrived from reserves - embarked - one can not draw LoS to an embarked unit.

To shoot at the previously embarked unit would be like shooting at a unit which has arrived from reserves and disembarked from their transport... well it would be... and when they arrived from reserves one could not draw LoS.

ChrisCP wrote:Units arrive from reserves via drop pod.

As such there's no way for Corteaz to shoot a unit disembarking from a drop pod. They have already arrived from reserves - embarked - one can not draw LoS to an embarked unit.

To shoot at the previously embarked unit would be like shooting at a unit which has arrived from reserves and disembarked from their transport... well it would be... and when they arrived from reserves one could not draw LoS.

That isn't entirely true. The main issue is the wording. It is not "A unit arriving from reserves within 12"..." it is "If a unit arrives from reserves..." a unit can arrive from reserve, disembark from a transport, and still count as having arrived from reserves.

If a unit arrives from reserves, whether through disembarking, deep striking, walking on, or outflanking, if it ARRIVES ON THE TABLE DUE TO THE RESULT OF A RESERVE ROLL during its turn and it fulfills the requirements for Coteaz, then he may shoot.

I can't really explain further, except to say that yes, he can shoot at a unit which disembarks from ANY transport on the turn it arrives, because:

It has arrived from reserves
is within 12"
and is within LOS.

Unit1126PLL wrote:

ChrisCP wrote:Units arrive from reserves via drop pod.
"A unit that Deep Strikes via Drop Pod may not assault in the turn it arrives." SW 47
"...arrival of the remiaing drop pods is rolled for as normal. A unit that Deep Strikes via Drop Pod may not assault in the turn it arrives." BA 32
"A unit that Deep Strikes via Drop Pod may not assault in the turn it arrives." SM 69

Coteaz says "if an enemy unit arrives from reserves within 12 and in LoS he can immediately..."
"Once the Drop Pod has landed, the hatches are blown and
all passengers must immediately disembark, as normal." SM 69

Two immediate actions, but, for a drop pod to have 'landed' this means having sucess in the deep strike. BRB reserves say: "Similarly, the player must specify if any transport vehicle in reserve is carrying any of the infantry units and/or independent characters in reserve. If they do, the unit and the transport will be rolled for together and will arrive together. Remember that a dedicated transport can only be deployed, and consequently can only be kept in reserve, either empty or transporting the unit it was selected with (plus any independent characters)." 94 BRB

So we know that drop pod arrives from reserve with the unit embarked - together - and that the unit inside must disembark.

As such there's no way for Corteaz to shoot a unit disembarking from a drop pod. They have already arrived from reserves - embarked - one can not draw LoS to an embarked unit.

To shoot at the previously embarked unit would be like shooting at a unit which has arrived from reserves and disembarked from their transport... well it would be... and when they arrived from reserves one could not draw LoS.

That isn't entirely true. The main issue is the wording. It is not "A unit arriving from reserves within 12"..." it is "If a unit arrives from reserves..." a unit can arrive from reserve, disembark from a transport, and still count as having arrived from reserves.

If a unit arrives from reserves, whether through disembarking, deep striking, walking on, or outflanking, if it ARRIVES ON THE TABLE DUE TO THE RESULT OF A RESERVE ROLL during its turn and it fulfills the requirements for Coteaz, then he may shoot.

I can't really explain further, except to say that yes, he can shoot at a unit which disembarks from ANY transport on the turn it arrives, because:

It has arrived from reserves
is within 12"
and is within LOS.

But he has not then taken the shot immediately upon their arrival from reserves

Could you at least explain how you are avoiding the stipulation that Corteaz can take this action 'immediately'?
As in your explanation you've said that units arrive from reserves as a result of reserve rolls.

The exact quote is "if an enemy unit arrives from reserves within 12 and with-in his line of sight, Coteaz and his unit may immediately..." Why did you trim the "immediately" off the end of yours? Did you not read the full quote?

Dash almost has it right, he does tell us that we do one thing at a time, per unit, then move onto the next unit.



Of course, the pod arrives and then we are done with that unit. The pod has arrived and it just so happens that it brought a second unit along with it from reserves. So this second unit has also arrived from reserves at the same time. When we do things in the game with units we may trigger other units or events. Moving too close to a mine may trigger an attack, moving through terrain may trigger a test etc. Entering from reserves too close to coteaz and within his line of sight may trigger his rule.

The unit inside the pod isnt in there very long, its going to be disembarking from the pod as the next unit the player moves. In real life of course it may be a few minutes if one takes a pause for a bio or to grab a fresh drink. The important part tho is that unit disembarks after the pod arrives.

Its that word immediately that indeed does give us a timeline of events. The pod arrives and then the next thing that happens is that the unit inside the pod then must disembark from the pod. However, this also tells us that the unit is inside the pod and has arrived with the pod.

When a unit arrives from reserves the other player can check coteaz's rule to see if the arriving unit is within 12" and to see if coteaz has los. Coteaz can then immediately shoot at the arriving unit. But if a unit arrives from reserves and fails to meet either of these two criteria then coteaz cannot later decide to shoot at a unit that either moves within range or enters his los.

If a unit of termies deep strikes in and lands on the other side of a land raider then if the LR is blocking the los then coteaz will not be able to shoot at the termies. Even if later in the turn the lr drives off and gives coteaz los, because of that pesky word immediately.





Sliggoth

Dashofpepper wrote:

When a unit emerges from a drop pod - it is immediately considered to have arrived from reserves via deep-strike. There is no rule justification anywhere in a codex or the main rulebook to believe that the unit arrives from reserves inside the drop pod, gets out of the drop pod, and is no longer having arrived from reserves.

I think this sums it up really.

Unit1126PLL wrote:
It has arrived from reserves
is within 12"
and is within LOS.

If you're going with that, you can also argue that he can shoot at any unit at any time so long as it has arrived from reserves and is within 12" of his squad.

Dashofpepper wrote:A unit embarked in a drop pod arrives from reserves. The unit may NOT be in the drop. Aside from a delivery mechanism, they are never in it. You cannot get into it, you are not allowed into it, you are not allowed to stay in it. For all intents and purposes, the unit arrives on the table at the exact same moment as the drop pod.

Whether or not you can embark in a drop pod later has no importance. Also, if you want to be technical, the unit inside does not arrive on the table at the exact same time. If that were true, the models would be interchangeable. Instead, it isn't until the Drop Pod lands that you are able to (must) disembark the unit inside.

Dashofpepper wrote:When a unit emerges from a drop pod - it is immediately considered to have arrived from reserves via deep-strike. There is no rule justification anywhere in a codex or the main rulebook to believe that the unit arrives from reserves inside the drop pod, gets out of the drop pod, and is no longer having arrived from reserves.

Those are two completely different things as far as Coteaz is concerned, and seems to go against what you said above (note: I quoted you out of order, but not intentionally). As has been stated, Coteaz cares about arriving from Reserve, not arrived. In that statement above, you make my case for me: It arrives from reserves inside the Drop Pod. At that moment (the moment when it arrives from reserves) it is not a legal target, as it is not in LoS.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting interrupts*. I'm simply stating that, at the time when the trigger occurs, the effect can't happen. The unit disembarking from the Drop Pod is not when it arrives from reserves. True, it did arrive from reserves, but that doesn't matter to Coteaz.

NOTE: If they do go with the ruling that the old Mystics had, it wouldn't be an agreement with your argument, but a compromise. If you are correct, then both the Drop Pod and the unit could be shot each turn.

*On interrupts, they are sometimes necessary in a game like this with a sequence of events. The fact that the rules don't specifically address this is I suppose a reason to suggest that they can never occur, but personally I think it would make the game a lot smoother to know when exactly things interact. However, with Coteaz, it causes even more problems. For instance, when something walks/rolls on the table edge, do you shoot at it immediately when it starts moving onto the board, or only after it has completed its move? Also, if the board edge is 18" away, and the unit ends its movement 12" away, can it be shot? Or does Coteaz actually care about the point of arrival, and not the end of the "arriving move".

bushido wrote:

Unit1126PLL wrote:
It has arrived from reserves
is within 12"
and is within LOS.

If you're going with that, you can also argue that he can shoot at any unit at any time so long as it has arrived from reserves and is within 12" of his squad.

Yes, though it's immediately. "At any time" may imply that the Coteaz player could choose when to shoot. Keep in mind that for the entirety of that player's turn. Any unit that arrives from Reserves, has arrived that way for the whole turn. So if they were to Move within 12'' of Coteaz, they would immediately get shot.

As for this:

ChrisCP wrote:But he has not then taken the shot immediately upon their arrival from reserves

Could you at least explain how you are avoiding the stipulation that Corteaz can take this action 'immediately'?
As in your explanation you've said that units arrive from reserves as a result of reserve rolls.

The exact quote is "if an enemy unit arrives from reserves within 12 and with-in his line of sight, Coteaz and his unit may immediately..." Why did you trim the "immediately" off the end of yours? Did you not read the full quote?

He's not avoiding the stipulation. As the embarked unit is technically not on the table it doesn't trigger the immediate action from Coteaz. Assuming the embarked unit disembarks the same turn it arrived from Reserves and is within 12'' of Coteaz the shot occurs.

-Yad

ChrisCP wrote:

Unit1126PLL wrote:

ChrisCP wrote:Units arrive from reserves via drop pod.
"A unit that Deep Strikes via Drop Pod may not assault in the turn it arrives." SW 47
"...arrival of the remiaing drop pods is rolled for as normal. A unit that Deep Strikes via Drop Pod may not assault in the turn it arrives." BA 32
"A unit that Deep Strikes via Drop Pod may not assault in the turn it arrives." SM 69

Coteaz says "if an enemy unit arrives from reserves within 12 and in LoS he can immediately..."
"Once the Drop Pod has landed, the hatches are blown and
all passengers must immediately disembark, as normal." SM 69

Two immediate actions, but, for a drop pod to have 'landed' this means having sucess in the deep strike. BRB reserves say: "Similarly, the player must specify if any transport vehicle in reserve is carrying any of the infantry units and/or independent characters in reserve. If they do, the unit and the transport will be rolled for together and will arrive together. Remember that a dedicated transport can only be deployed, and consequently can only be kept in reserve, either empty or transporting the unit it was selected with (plus any independent characters)." 94 BRB

So we know that drop pod arrives from reserve with the unit embarked - together - and that the unit inside must disembark.

As such there's no way for Corteaz to shoot a unit disembarking from a drop pod. They have already arrived from reserves - embarked - one can not draw LoS to an embarked unit.

To shoot at the previously embarked unit would be like shooting at a unit which has arrived from reserves and disembarked from their transport... well it would be... and when they arrived from reserves one could not draw LoS.

That isn't entirely true. The main issue is the wording. It is not "A unit arriving from reserves within 12"..." it is "If a unit arrives from reserves..." a unit can arrive from reserve, disembark from a transport, and still count as having arrived from reserves.

If a unit arrives from reserves, whether through disembarking, deep striking, walking on, or outflanking, if it ARRIVES ON THE TABLE DUE TO THE RESULT OF A RESERVE ROLL during its turn and it fulfills the requirements for Coteaz, then he may shoot.

I can't really explain further, except to say that yes, he can shoot at a unit which disembarks from ANY transport on the turn it arrives, because:

It has arrived from reserves
is within 12"
and is within LOS.

But he has not then taken the shot immediately upon their arrival from reserves

Could you at least explain how you are avoiding the stipulation that Corteaz can take this action 'immediately'?
As in your explanation you've said that units arrive from reserves as a result of reserve rolls.

The exact quote is "if an enemy unit arrives from reserves within 12 and with-in his line of sight, Coteaz and his unit may immediately..." Why did you trim the "immediately" off the end of yours? Did you not read the full quote?

2 responses:

1) Coteaz immediately takes the shot once the conditions are fulfilled. If one of the three conditions is not met, Coteaz does not immediately do anything.

2) I will do better once you explain to me how you avoid the "must immediately disembark" clause in the droppod rules.

Yad wrote:

bushido wrote:
If you're going with that, you can also argue that he can shoot at any unit at any time so long as it has arrived from reserves and is within 12" of his squad.

Yes, though it's immediately. "At any time" may imply that the Coteaz player could choose when to shoot. Keep in mind that for the entirety of that player's turn. Any unit that arrives from Reserves, has arrived that way for the whole turn. So if they were to Move within 12'' of Coteaz, they would immediately get shot.

-Yad

Not quite. Coteaz's rule is: "If an enemy arrives from reserve within 12" of Coteas and within his line of sight, [...]."
If it had said: "If an enemy unit that has arrived from reserves is within [...]" then you'd be correct.

Unit1126PLL wrote:2) I will do better once you explain to me how you avoid the "must immediately disembark" clause in the droppod rules.

Coteaz also may "immediately" make a shooting attack. So whose "immediately" takes precedence? He can't wait until the squad gets out to shoot, and since the unit arrives (as if deep striking) inside a vehicle, it's not a valid target for Coteaz's immediate action.


The way I see it: He can either shoot at both the unit *and* the pod, or just the pod, depending on which special rule's "immediately" comes first.