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cowpow16 wrote:
Tau end up coming across the remains of the last part or a hive fleet and end up getting chased by them with the forces of chaos coming at them as well a big battle ensues and the tau are wiped out because their command breaks down due to space communism. The nids are then wiped out and chaos take huge losses.

The Tau already got hit by the full force of Hive Fleet Gorgon. It didn't end pretty for the Tyranids.

Zweischneid wrote:

cowpow16 wrote:
Tau end up coming across the remains of the last part or a hive fleet and end up getting chased by them with the forces of chaos coming at them as well a big battle ensues and the tau are wiped out because their command breaks down due to space communism. The nids are then wiped out and chaos take huge losses.

The Tau already got hit by the full force of Hive Fleet Gorgon. It didn't end pretty for the Tyranids.

Because IG help the Tau destroy it.

Not Hive Fleet Gorgon!? Wow, that must have been a struggle. A tiny Hive Fleet, whose only unique attribute was extreme adaptation ability, defeated by a combined force of Tau and Imperial Guard. Through the entire war, the Tau were defeated across the board, despite the size of the Fleet attacking them.

The thing is, if the Dark Eldar neutralise everything in the galaxy, its a phyrric victory. They'll die in the end.

The Nid's have numbers and the fact their hive fleets are mere vanguards.

Necrons awakening is becoming stronger.

Chaos is waning in power.

Eldar are waning

Tau are just a small species

Imperium will slowly die out.

Orks win by default. They are fungi, have no fear of death and are hardy, and can take out lots of enemies.

Brother Coa wrote:
Because IG help the Tau destroy it.

True. But even before the IG joined, the Tyranids failed to conquer/consume/successfully win a single Tau controlled planet. All that despite the Tau being surprised and never having fought Tyranids before.

If the Nid-schtick is to win "a war of attrition" by consuming more bio-mass than they loose, they should be able to beat/consume inhabitated planets of the kind that one would find as colonies on the outer perimeters of the Tau Empire. So far (and not only among the Tau Empire), the Nids have singularly failed to do so.

Chaos is waning? Since when? The Tyranids do not have numbers, not generally. In one place yeah, across the board, no.

Doctadeth wrote:
The Nid's have numbers and the fact their hive fleets are mere vanguards.

Tau are just a small species

Again, that doesn't bear out. Doomsday predictions aside, the Tau are tiny compared to the Imperium or the Orks, but they outnumber the Nids many times over.

Zweischneid wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:
Because IG help the Tau destroy it.

True. But even before the IG joined, the Tyranids failed to conquer/consume/successfully win a single Tau controlled planet. All that despite the Tau being surprised and never having fought Tyranids before.

They were beaten back on three, only once by the Tau, but consumed a host of other planets.

iproxtaco wrote:
They were beaten back on three, only once by the Tau, but consumed a host of other planets.

Maybe my Nid Codex is missing pages, but no. The did not consume a single Tau-planet. All they managed was destroy a single orbital relay station. As an entire Hive Fleet. Thats it. End of story. After that, they walked from defeat to defeat. The Necrons that the Nids "accidentially wakend" (and who right-away outnumbered the Nids btw) did more damage to the Tau than the Nids.

And if you want to emphasise that the Tau had help from the Guard to take down the final Dominatrix, it is I guess worth noting that the were also simultaniously fighting Necrons and still gave Nids a few kickings.

Zweischneid wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:
They were beaten back on three, only once by the Tau, but consumed a host of other planets.

Maybe my Nid Codex is missing pages, but no. The did not consume a single Tau-planet. All they managed was destroy a single orbital relay station. As an entire Hive Fleet. Thats it. End of story. After that, they walked from defeat to defeat. The Necrons that the Nids "accidentially wakend" (and who right-away outnumbered the Nids btw) did more damage to the Tau than the Nids.

I never said the consumed a host of Tau planets. They consumed other ones, but were only ever beaten back by the Tau once. The first time was a Tau win, the second was a victory for the Necrons, the third was successful because of a combined effort with the Imperial Guard. Hive Fleet Gorgon was pathetic, so were the Tau.

Simultaneously fighting Necrons? Citations needed.

i vote orks simly because while they are nto impossible to taint (there is precident of it happening just very rare) the imperium may fall into chaos but i don't think chaos can take ou tth orks. in the end the hive fleet and the orks run an unending battle the orks get their paradise of war without end while the nids happily harvest the orks that fall. the necrons ocationally pop up but the orks are happy to have a different enemy and where they pop up the orks quickly bash thie circuits in

iproxtaco wrote:
I never said the consumed a host of Tau planets. They consumed other ones, but were only ever beaten back by the Tau once. The first time was a Tau win, the second was a victory for the Necrons, the third was successful because of a combined effort with the Imperial Guard. Hive Fleet Gorgon was pathetic, so were the Tau.

If Hive Fleet Gorgon was pathetic, give me a Hive Fleet that did better? Leviathan got its ass handed at Stormvald by Maugan Ra all by himself. Kraken failed to destroy a single drifting Craftworld. Behemoth was sent packing by Ork Freebootaz. Hydra was made a Dark Eldar play-thing when the Dark Eldar raided(!) the Hive Fleet. Naga was the second Hive-fleet kill-point of Yriel. Hive Fleet Moloch was starved to death by Vostroyans (who is fighting Wars of attrition now?).

Their record doesn't speak well for the Nids.

Peeps, remember the original question was who should win.

but who would you have rule the galaxy. Reasoning could be stable ruling, freedom of culture, or it would just be awesome.

Zweischneid wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:
I never said the consumed a host of Tau planets. They consumed other ones, but were only ever beaten back by the Tau once. The first time was a Tau win, the second was a victory for the Necrons, the third was successful because of a combined effort with the Imperial Guard. Hive Fleet Gorgon was pathetic, so were the Tau.

If Hive Fleet Gorgon was pathetic, give me a Hive Fleet that did better? Leviathan got its ass handed at Stormvald by Maugan Ra all by himself. Kraken failed to destroy a single drifting Craftworld. Behemoth was sent packing by Ork Freebootaz. Hydra was made a Dark Eldar play-thing when the Dark Eldar raided(!) the Hive Fleet. Naga was the second Hive-fleet kill-point of Yriel. Hive Fleet Moloch was starved to death by Vostroyans (who is fighting Wars of attrition now?).

Their record doesn't speak well for the Nids.

Well, it was pathetic, more so than others. Levithan is still going, apparently, but hasn't really done anything. Kraken was pretty much destroyed Ilyanden, it's only claim to fame, and Behemoth shattered the the home-world of the Ultramarines, nothing else though. At least the two ones that have come before actually did something, the rest, and particularly Gorgon, aren't really worth mentioning.

And then we have Malan'tai.

A whole Craftworld destroyed by pretty much a single Tyranid organism

, I completely forgot about that.

Pilau Rice wrote:And then we have Malan'tai.

A whole Craftworld destroyed by pretty much a single Tyranid organism

Fair enough. But likewise, a single Eldar "organism" in the form of Maugan Ra destroyed an entire Hive Fleet tendril of Leviathan. Call it square.

Well, if the Xenos sourcebook is to be believed, the Necrons now have the gene-sequence of the base bio-organism that is at the core of every single Tyranid creature. They could probably create half a dozen virulent plagues, and slowly wipe the hive fleets out one by one.

And now with the rumored new fluff about the Necrons actually wtfpwning the C'Tan and using them for their purposes, they are probably the most dangerous force around. They also are likely the only one of these contenders who could actually breach the Webway to reach the Dark Eldar.


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Doctadeth wrote:The thing is, if the Dark Eldar neutralise everything in the galaxy, its a phyrric victory. They'll die in the end.

Well, the Horus Heresy books hint that if humanity goes, Chaos pretty much goes right with it, so there would be no Slaanesh to feed on the Dark Eldar. He/she certainly wouldn't be able to sustain itself on the trickle of life-force it gets from them, and they can always just torture clones of themselves forever.

Please don't change it to that, Codex: Necrons author.

Omegus wrote:And now with the rumored new fluff about the Necrons actually wtfpwning the C'Tan and using them for their purposes

Err come again?

So the Necrons beat their masters?

I hope this isn't the case when the new 'dex comes out.

Tau. They are willing to let other races live. No-one else is.

Pilau Rice wrote:
Err come again?

So the Necrons beat their masters?

I hope this isn't the case when the new 'dex comes out.

Why not? Sounds like a fun take on things. I wouldn't want to pay for a new book with the same old stories that I already have.

SickSix wrote:Tau. They are willing to let other races live. No-one else is.

Providing you submit to The Greater Good, and end all aspirations your race may have had.


I wouldn't want that either, but suddenly making The C'tan subservient to The Necrons, stated as being mindless servants? Why would that happen?!

Pilau Rice wrote:

Omegus wrote:And now with the rumored new fluff about the Necrons actually wtfpwning the C'Tan and using them for their purposes

Err come again?

So the Necrons beat their masters?

I hope this isn't the case when the new 'dex comes out.

Yes, that is the gist of the rumors going around. C'Tan are removed as a choice, replaced by an elite choice (pariahs?) that can be customized depending on what C'tan powers they are channeling/utilizing. The dominion of the C'Tan appears to be over.

I f you dont want the Imperium to win, mankind will de and your a traitor to your race.

To be honest, when I see the "your/you're" error time and time again, I wish I could betray my whole species to some galactic superpower that would annihilate it.

Haha..
Orks, to da..normal world? Wotz that?

Zweischneid wrote:
Why not? Sounds like a fun take on things. I wouldn't want to pay for a new book with the same old stories that I already have.

So you don't mind wiping well established fluff out of existence and just writing new stuff for the sake of it?

Adding to and enhancing a story is all well and good, but totally changing something is not good in my opinion.

My force the khantonians of whom rebelled from the imperium after they were abandoned to face a zombie plague that nearly overan the planet. still got a small problem with them.
however are superior warp tech should save us-we just sit there and wait till all the sh!t dies down... after all 1 of our basic hellsreach battle stations will imiolate an imperial segmentum battle fleet.
therse no way your pathetic attacks will harm us seeing as we`ve got nearly 300 of these. and our entire systems filled with hidden military bases. the entirety of a tyranid hive fleet will struggle to get past the system rim. if khantonians wernt there though ide say tyranids though. theyll swarm you.

tyranids break in everywhere eventially it is an innevitablitity that the Nids will wipe all of existence out then simply lack cause and turn on each other.
(the hive mind will get bored eventually with nothing the fight and eat) and I believe tyranids can't comprehend the concept of daemons so they will cease to exist when every other race is wiped from existence.