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Omegus wrote:They also are likely the only one of these contenders who could actually breach the Webway to reach the Dark Eldar.

Dont want to be pedantic but didnt Commoragh get invaded by loads of space marines who just wondered into the webway?
Source - Codex Dark Eldar

No, the Codex is very clear that the whole thing was a ploy by Vect to clear out his rivals and take over in the power vacuum that resulted after the Astartes' rampage.

its tau thay rock and have cool guns

How is Tau in 3rd place?!?

I'm actually surprised that the Imperium is in 1st.

I would have said orks or nids would win.

The Bringer wrote:How is Tau in 3rd place?!?

I'm actually surprised that the Imperium is in 1st.

I would have said orks or nids would win.

It's who should win, not who will win.

But why should they?

The Bringer wrote:But why should they?

The Imperium? Because they're Human, presumably, and so are we. Saying one of the other factions should win is tantamout of treachery. You're choosing another species over your own. They're also the ones who are struggling the most, holding on through sheer determination and courage. Brought low by the machinations of Chaos yet still forging on, fighting on in the name of the Emperor, the one who united them and gave them a chance to prevail. Fighting for survival against myriad threats while striving for greatness and glory. For the greater good of Humanity. That's why I voted for the Imperium, at least.

The Bringer wrote:How is Tau in 3rd place?!?

Well, the way I see it, Tau are the only ones that are really innovating and progressing technologically in the galaxy.

The Imperium can't. They still regard technology superstitiously as though it were magic, understood only by their priesthood, and they aren't innovating at all. They still use centuries-old weapons. Tau have already left them in the dust tech wise, and will continue to progress so far beyond, that eventually subverting the Imperium will be a galactic cake-walk.

Eldar and DE are bent on preserving their lifestyles, not really interested in change/improvement. Eldar won't keep up with Tau and their Craftworlds will be annexed or destroyed. DE will be a nuisance for a very long time unless(until?) Tau figure out how to effectively strike Commorragh.

Tau are virtually insusceptible to the influence of Chaos, so it will never effectively get a foothold on their society.

Necrons will put up a good fight until the Tau progress beyond them. Since 'crons have no kinetic weapons, Tau need to figure out armor that nullifies gauss, and/or invent a weapon that deactivates Necron robotics, or solves the riddle of Necron phasing and reconstruction.

Tau are learning to deal with Orks and Tyranids and it's only a matter of time before they come up with the right virus or similar way to systematically annihilate the two.

Currently, they could be wiped out, but there really is no army in a position to do so, and before long, nobody will be able. Tau are multiplying like rabbits. And their weapons and technology are getting more powerful at a rate that surpasses that of the other armies. After the dust settles, it's not hard to imagine them (and their allies) being the last ones standing.

Wow that was Tau fanwank, even if you aren't a fanboi.

The Tau have not left them in the dust, that's amazing that you think that. Everything The Imperium uses is infinitely more complicated an advanced even if the end product is different.

Sorry, the Tau will annex The Eldar? Good luck finding them, and then getting them off The Craftworld.
Effectively strike at Cammoragh? Now we're getting ridiculous. How do they find it? How do they defeat the billions of angry Dark Eldar? Not to mention Vect himself and the other Archons? A few hours of attacking the Dark City utterly crippled about a Chapters worth of Space Marines and left about half alive, with only one ship out of 6. They survived because Vect LET THEM LEAVE.

They can't be willfully corrupted. They can still choose, and they can still die, Chaos could consume them all the same.

This advancement isn't a certainty. Just because they've gone quite far doesn't mean they can continue. Since all their weaponry is just heat, explain how they will do any better than the Guard. Nullify Gauss? That's takes some amount of imagination to think that's easily possible.

Again, not a certainty. If the Mechanicus and The Ordo Xenos haven't come up with anything in 10,000 years, good luck Tau is all I can say. Not to mention that The Tyranids will adapt to become immune to it in the next wave of a single Hive Fleet, not to mention that every-single fleet is fundamentally different.

Currently, every other race could destroy the Tau, easily. Even The Eldar, who likely out-number them. Multiplying like Rabbits? Sorry what? Pure Speculation, with nothing to back up that so don't speak of it like it's a certainty either.
For me, it's hard to imagine the Tau surviving in their current form for another 100 years if the current cannon of the imminent apocalypse is to be believed.

The Bringer wrote:How is Tau in 3rd place?!?

I'm actually surprised that the Imperium is in 1st.

I would have said orks or nids would win.

It's not would it's should


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Archonate wrote:

The Bringer wrote:How is Tau in 3rd place?!?

Well, the way I see it, Tau are the only ones that are really innovating and progressing technologically in the galaxy.

The Imperium can't. They still regard technology superstitiously as though it were magic, understood only by their priesthood, and they aren't innovating at all. They still use centuries-old weapons. Tau have already left them in the dust tech wise, and will continue to progress so far beyond, that eventually subverting the Imperium will be a galactic cake-walk.

Eldar and DE are bent on preserving their lifestyles, not really interested in change/improvement. Eldar won't keep up with Tau and their Craftworlds will be annexed or destroyed. DE will be a nuisance for a very long time unless(until?) Tau figure out how to effectively strike Commorragh.

Tau are virtually insusceptible to the influence of Chaos, so it will never effectively get a foothold on their society.

Necrons will put up a good fight until the Tau progress beyond them. Since 'crons have no kinetic weapons, Tau need to figure out armor that nullifies gauss, and/or invent a weapon that deactivates Necron robotics, or solves the riddle of Necron phasing and reconstruction.

Tau are learning to deal with Orks and Tyranids and it's only a matter of time before they come up with the right virus or similar way to systematically annihilate the two.

Currently, they could be wiped out, but there really is no army in a position to do so, and before long, nobody will be able. Tau are multiplying like rabbits. And their weapons and technology are getting more powerful at a rate that surpasses that of the other armies. After the dust settles, it's not hard to imagine them (and their allies) being the last ones standing.

Tau are progressing quickly, but they are in a severly bad position now the only reason they are currently alive is major plot armor. They are completely surrounded in their small corner of the galaxy. A huge hive fleet is currently coming to nom them. The Imperium ignores them because they're so small if they continue to grow they could crush them with numbers. They also haven't grown large enough for chaos to care about them. Wait I just went against the theme of my own thread. Tau shouldn't win because they are communists and a brainwashed universe is not a fun universe

Remember people it's who SHOULD win. Not who will probably win.

And honestly I am still with the Tau. They are the best choice. The IoM should NOT win because they have (for the most part) completely abandoned everything the Emperor was trying to teach them. They have abandoned the Imperial Truth. In fact if the Primarchs came back they would probably reconquest all the planets because technically all of humanity has turned religious. And the Primarchs would probably kill the high lords of Terra as well.

The IoM shouldn't win until they get their act straight again.

Agreed, The Imperium shouldn't win, at least not in it's current form. Although it poses the question that could it survive? The Imperium exists due to the threats humanity faces. Once they're removed, how can it survive in it's current form?

iproxtaco wrote:Agreed, The Imperium shouldn't win, at least not in it's current form. Although it poses the question that could it survive? The Imperium exists due to the threats humanity faces. Once they're removed, how can it survive in it's current form?

It wouldn't. Once the common enemies were removed, man would turn its attention on itself. It would be really really ugly.

Anyone else find it funny nids are tied for second I guess people want their galaxy to get nomed

Not funny, just plain irritating that a lot of people don't understand the OP's question or didn't even look at it.

All right, Imperium kick ass big time




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The Bringer wrote:But why should they?

Because they are Human and you are Human. You think Humanity should die out?

Chaos can never be defeated as it is a belief.

The full might of the Imperium vs any one other faction would be pretty brutal save for the Orks and Tyranids seeing as how we don't really have an idea of what their full capabilities are.

Sure it can, if there's no one to believe in it.

iproxtaco wrote:The Tau have not left them in the dust, that's amazing that you think that. Everything The Imperium uses is infinitely more complicated an advanced even if the end product is different.

More complicated =/= more advanced. A lasgun is heavier than a pulse rifle. Probably has a more complicated load out. But it is most definitely an inferior weapon. As is the bolter. Power armor is a clunky, complicated version of a Tau stealth suit, except it has no stealth capability. Why? Because the technology is inferior and less efficient. And Power armor is far more rare. It's archeotech that is still in use because the imperium thinks that innovation is the devil. Meanwhile, Tau stealth teams are milling about in armor equally durable, which augments their strength to that of a SM, with jet packs and stealth technology, acute senses, a gun like a heavy bolter, AND can be fitted with a Targetting Array to give them the BS of a SM... According to the Tau Codex "Whether or not the XV22 becomes approved for general use will be determined by its performance in the battles of the third sphere expansion." In other words "If they like it, all Firewarriors will soon be wearing it." Which is pretty much the story with all Tau tech. The amazing weapons and armor that their leaders are wearing now, could become the mass produced standard issue for the Firewarriors of tomorrow. In 100 years SMs will be using the same crap armor and gakky guns while the Tau are sporting vastly superior tech.

Sorry, the Tau will annex The Eldar? Good luck finding them, and then getting them off The Craftworld.

I didn't say they would annex the Eldar now did I. I said they would annex the Craftworlds. Though I think it's more likely that they'll come to some sort of peace treaty out of respect for their Eldars and leave them alone. Eldar aren't trying to take over the galaxy, so they're not much of a threat to what the Tau are trying to achieve.

Effectively strike at Cammoragh? Now we're getting ridiculous. How do they find it? How do they defeat the billions of angry Dark Eldar? Not to mention Vect himself and the other Archons? A few hours of attacking the Dark City utterly crippled about a Chapters worth of Space Marines and left about half alive, with only one ship out of 6. They survived because Vect LET THEM LEAVE.

You make it sound like I'm suggesting they could accomplish this in their present state. Of course not. Honestly I think the DE would be the winners in the end if they cared about taking over the galaxy, but they don't. They just focus on enjoying themselves and living for one more day. Which is why I say they'd be a massive nuisance until the day the Tau get powerful and advanced enough.

They can't be willfully corrupted. They can still choose, and they can still die, Chaos could consume them all the same.

True, if only chaos could get a foothold on Tau society. As the other races face extinction, Chaos would get weaker and weaker. Tau, with their lack of psychic latency, is one race that doesn't feed Chaos.

Just because they've gone quite far doesn't mean they can continue.

Really? What would stop them? Seems like all this war has just been a big opportunity for them to field test and implement even better tech... Why would that suddenly come to a halt?

Since all their weaponry is just heat, explain how they will do any better than the Guard.

Okay let's pretend they don't have a wide variety of missiles, as well as Railgun tech. (neither of which are heat based) How is their heat weapons tech relevant? You realize that real plasma is so hot that there is no substance on Earth that can contain it without melting into vapor? Their standard infantry are using that because Tau found a way use it without risking the operator being cooked... Something the Ad Mech has yet to figure out.

Nullify Gauss? That's takes some amount of imagination to think that's easily possible.

I never said it would be easily possible. Frankly, it doesn't need to be... It only needs to be possible for the Tau to eventually figure it out.

If the Mechanicus and The Ordo Xenos haven't come up with anything in 10,000 years, good luck Tau is all I can say.

This might mean something the Mechanicus and Ordo Xenos weren't hung up on perpetuating the use of inferior technology.

Not to mention that The Tyranids will adapt to become immune to it in the next wave of a single Hive Fleet, not to mention that every-single fleet is fundamentally different.

But this is the best thing about the Tau, THEY evolve to overcome also. There's nothing the Tyranids do that the Tau don't quickly find a way to counter.

Currently, every other race could destroy the Tau, easily.

I agree... But none of them are in any position to do so.

Multiplying like Rabbits? Sorry what? Pure Speculation, with nothing to back up that so don't speak of it like it's a certainty either.

With a lifespan of about 40 years, they've cranked out 2 or 3 generations in the time it takes us to crank out 1.

For me, it's hard to imagine the Tau surviving in their current form for another 100 years if the current cannon of the imminent apocalypse is to be believed.

The question is, who is going to bring about that apocalypse?

Archonate wrote:illusions about tau tech.....

Archonate wrote:
I didn't say they would annex the Eldar now did I. I said they would annex the Craftworlds. Though I think it's more likely that they'll come to some sort of peace treaty out of respect for their Eldars and leave them alone. Eldar aren't trying to take over the galaxy, so they're not much of a threat to what the Tau are trying to achieve.

so eldar sell their craftworlds ? financial crisis?
Because they would never deem anyone equal to them and surely the whole background of 40k never told us of their view upon who shall rule this galaxy...

Archonate wrote:Honestly I think the DE would be the winners in the end if they cared about taking over the galaxy, but they don't. They just focus on enjoying themselves and living for one more day. Which is why I say they'd be a massive nuisance until the day the Tau get powerful and advanced enough.

DE have to evade someones attention so taking over the galaxy isn't possible.
To claim the subject you cheering on here just needs to become powerful enough.....Did you spot the " leave plot armor at the wardrobe" sign of this thread?

Archonate wrote:True, if only chaos could get a foothold on Tau society. As the other races face extinction, Chaos would get weaker and weaker. Tau, with their lack of psychic latency, is one race that doesn't feed Chaos.

But their allies may. And Tau still provide blood to be shed, skulls to be taken, emotions to be had.
So a low profile doesn't mean 100% protection.
PLus, we are again at the misconception of contenders sitting at the sidelines unharmed.

Archonate wrote:Really? What would stop them? Seems like all this war has just been a big opportunity for them to field test and implement even better tech... Why would that suddenly come to a halt?

Lets see..there is a 5th edition and a certain race doesn't seem to win their conflicts.
Maybe this tech isn't that much better but follows the actual trend of real life for endless amounts of "features", thus is more gimmicky ...

Archonate wrote:Okay let's pretend they don't have a wide variety of missiles, as well as Railgun tech. (neither of which are heat based) How is their heat weapons tech relevant? You realize that real plasma is so hot that there is no substance on Earth that can contain it without melting into vapor? Their standard infantry are using that because Tau found a way use it without risking the operator being cooked... Something the Ad Mech has yet to figure out.

Looks at the fact of nids resilient to these plasma weapons.

Looks at the fact of nids not resilient to imperial plasma weapons.


Mechanicum needed only a few moments to figure out Tau tech last time we had fluff about that. Maybe they just don't have any interest in that sort of weapon?

Archonate wrote: It only needs to be possible for the Tau to eventually figure it out

Wishful thinking?
Last war the necrons fought in a fully awakened state was against the whole galaxy and a race able to create new species.
Didn't seem it was possible to figure out any counter to gauss.

Archonate wrote:This might mean something the Mechanicus and Ordo Xenos weren't hung up on perpetuating the use of inferior technology.

Its always a good thing when those xenos fall into the trap of "superiority". Let them think they got a chance.
They may not run away then, so this galaxy can be cleansed properly.

Archonate wrote:But this is the best thing about the Tau, THEY evolve to overcome also. There's nothing the Tyranids do that the Tau don't quickly find a way to counter.

Still too slow and beeing eaten without help in every single bit of fluff.
And thats the best of them? Bye bye blue-grey nid food.

Archonate wrote: none of them are in any position to do so.

Until the magical pen of a author places them right there.
Wait, we assume the races have to stay where they are just to keep the Tau safe?

Archonate wrote:With a lifespan of about 40 years, they've cranked out 2 or 3 generations in the time it takes us to crank out 1.

Cool . Eldar now outbreed the orks, just because they live soo long.....

Archonate wrote:The question is, who is going to bring about that apocalypse?

GW if they don't stop M.W.

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This post of yours is a good argument why the IoM SHOULD win.
You know, should, not would.

Talking entirely in should-land (where the should-land High baseball teams get their bums handed to them by their cross town rivals, reality-check tech) I have noticed several people posting messages along the lines of "If you don't want IoM to win, you want humanity to die, and because you are a human, that's tantamount to treason"
My retort to that is saying -there are humans non affiliated with the IoM-
[example]It's as if someone declaring war on Nato and being accused of genocide. Maybe I just don't like how Nato runs things? [/example]
Return to beloved should-land, let's take a look at each race's motivations for war.

IoM- Humans are the master race, all else should be destroyed.
Dark Eldar- Orgy till the sun comes back on and shows us how ugly we've gotten
Tau- Follow our religion and economic strong arming or die?
Chaos- (at least at the purest intention) Honor, Love, Acceptance, and Hope
(and on the other hand) Mass-Murder, Mass-Orgies, Mass-Pandemics, and constant unrest
Necrons- I'm going to leave this one alone until matt ward flushes his toilet on our tables.
Eldar- Choose a life of piracy or sit around not trying to make the galaxy better at all.
Orks- I like an earlier post of someone likening it to a long Saturday night. Doesn't sound bad to me. (Mind you all my saturday nights start by playing orks and then getting sloshed)
And Lastly,
The Evil, Vile, (and more or less inept) Tyranids-
Now ask yourself, for what do the Tyranid fight for? Wealth? No. Status? No. Women? Well, when they get hungry.
The Tyranid fight not for greed.
The Tyranid fight not for land.
The Tyranid fight not all these great vices not only shown, but put on display by every other race as a cornerstone of civilization.
Children of the emperor talk of his protection. You think he shields you from the Tyranid? His light draws them to you!
If I were him, I would denounce my children for causing mass genocides.
The Emperor fought to end strife, not to end life.
The IoM have become slothful, relying on dogma to keep a failing power structure from collapsing.
The Tau have become to proud to work with anyone not underneath them.
Every race has at least one of the 7 deadly sins screaming from every page of the codex in a similar fashion.
But not the Tyranid. They show piety, and when beaten, they fall with honor, typically fighting to the last synapse beast.
They show moderation, and use every ounce of bio-matter, showing true respect to the fallen, as the native american with the bison.
Only they have true equality, as a Hive Tyrant is treated with as much respect as a Termagaunt.
Theirs is the way of peace, as after Tyranid "Rule" controls a planet, no war shall grip it again.

But, alas! The Tyranid "threat" isn't really a threat, since apparently, any ragtag group of meddling kids riding around in a mystery machine can give them a whooping.
That being said, I hope the khantonians win! YAY!

(I'm sure people are gonna disprove this left and right. But it is gonna stick with you. And just remember, trying to bring back the emperor is like the nazis trying to bring back hitler-Indiana jones will stop you, if Dr. venture's incompetence doesn't first. )

1hadhq hit the nail on the head. I'd advise Archonate to stop fanwanking before it starts to chaff. Everything you've said so far is unbridled speculation and wishful thinking. Here's the reality, the Tau are a small insignificant but up-and-coming race. They have some cool tech, but nothing near to man-power or the experience to do anything but a be minor nuisance to any of the other race. It would take a hell of a lot of luck and plot armour to put them in the position you seem to think is a possibility.

Always the good guys - the Imperium.

Archonate wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:The Tau have not left them in the dust, that's amazing that you think that. Everything The Imperium uses is infinitely more complicated an advanced even if the end product is different.

More complicated =/= more advanced. A lasgun is heavier than a pulse rifle. Probably has a more complicated load out. But it is most definitely an inferior weapon. As is the bolter. Power armor is a clunky, complicated version of a Tau stealth suit, except it has no stealth capability. Why? Because the technology is inferior and less efficient. And Power armor is far more rare. It's archeotech that is still in use because the imperium thinks that innovation is the devil. Meanwhile, Tau stealth teams are milling about in armor equally durable, which augments their strength to that of a SM, with jet packs and stealth technology, acute senses, a gun like a heavy bolter, AND can be fitted with a Targetting Array to give them the BS of a SM... According to the Tau Codex "Whether or not the XV22 becomes approved for general use will be determined by its performance in the battles of the third sphere expansion." In other words "If they like it, all Firewarriors will soon be wearing it." Which is pretty much the story with all Tau tech. The amazing weapons and armor that their leaders are wearing now, could become the mass produced standard issue for the Firewarriors of tomorrow. In 100 years SMs will be using the same crap armor and gakky guns while the Tau are sporting vastly superior tech.

Sorry, the Tau will annex The Eldar? Good luck finding them, and then getting them off The Craftworld.

I didn't say they would annex the Eldar now did I. I said they would annex the Craftworlds. Though I think it's more likely that they'll come to some sort of peace treaty out of respect for their Eldars and leave them alone. Eldar aren't trying to take over the galaxy, so they're not much of a threat to what the Tau are trying to achieve.

Effectively strike at Cammoragh? Now we're getting ridiculous. How do they find it? How do they defeat the billions of angry Dark Eldar? Not to mention Vect himself and the other Archons? A few hours of attacking the Dark City utterly crippled about a Chapters worth of Space Marines and left about half alive, with only one ship out of 6. They survived because Vect LET THEM LEAVE.

You make it sound like I'm suggesting they could accomplish this in their present state. Of course not. Honestly I think the DE would be the winners in the end if they cared about taking over the galaxy, but they don't. They just focus on enjoying themselves and living for one more day. Which is why I say they'd be a massive nuisance until the day the Tau get powerful and advanced enough.

They can't be willfully corrupted. They can still choose, and they can still die, Chaos could consume them all the same.

True, if only chaos could get a foothold on Tau society. As the other races face extinction, Chaos would get weaker and weaker. Tau, with their lack of psychic latency, is one race that doesn't feed Chaos.

Just because they've gone quite far doesn't mean they can continue.

Really? What would stop them? Seems like all this war has just been a big opportunity for them to field test and implement even better tech... Why would that suddenly come to a halt?

Since all their weaponry is just heat, explain how they will do any better than the Guard.

Okay let's pretend they don't have a wide variety of missiles, as well as Railgun tech. (neither of which are heat based) How is their heat weapons tech relevant? You realize that real plasma is so hot that there is no substance on Earth that can contain it without melting into vapor? Their standard infantry are using that because Tau found a way use it without risking the operator being cooked... Something the Ad Mech has yet to figure out.

Nullify Gauss? That's takes some amount of imagination to think that's easily possible.

I never said it would be easily possible. Frankly, it doesn't need to be... It only needs to be possible for the Tau to eventually figure it out.

If the Mechanicus and The Ordo Xenos haven't come up with anything in 10,000 years, good luck Tau is all I can say.

This might mean something the Mechanicus and Ordo Xenos weren't hung up on perpetuating the use of inferior technology.

Not to mention that The Tyranids will adapt to become immune to it in the next wave of a single Hive Fleet, not to mention that every-single fleet is fundamentally different.

But this is the best thing about the Tau, THEY evolve to overcome also. There's nothing the Tyranids do that the Tau don't quickly find a way to counter.

Currently, every other race could destroy the Tau, easily.

I agree... But none of them are in any position to do so.

Multiplying like Rabbits? Sorry what? Pure Speculation, with nothing to back up that so don't speak of it like it's a certainty either.

With a lifespan of about 40 years, they've cranked out 2 or 3 generations in the time it takes us to crank out 1.

For me, it's hard to imagine the Tau surviving in their current form for another 100 years if the current cannon of the imminent apocalypse is to be believed.

The question is, who is going to bring about that apocalypse?

Every race is in a position to take them out. If you've ever looked on a star map they are completely surrounded as soon as they become a threat they will be crushed. The Imperium has much better tech then the Tau, it is just impossible to mass produce where the las gun is cheap and efficient fluff wise. The tau are so small they can mass produce their best stuff. Tell me a vortex missile is inferior to a railgun. Also this is fluff wise so Power armour is much more effective than stealth suits. Tau do not evolve as fast as tyranid even trying to say this is ridiculous as it takes any other race thousands of years to evolve when it takes tyranid two weeks. Having a lifespan of 40 years nullifies the fact that they breed more, and humans breed just as fast and live 150 years on a standard untreated citizen. This thread is fluff wise because everything on the tabletop has to be made fair. That being said Imperium tech is equilly efficient and cheaper.


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But i digress again this is a should thread not a would and your Tau communism has no place in it

iproxtaco wrote:Wow that was Tau fanwank, even if you aren't a fanboi.

The Tau have not left them in the dust, that's amazing that you think that. Everything The Imperium uses is infinitely more complicated an advanced even if the end product is different.

Sorry, the Tau will annex The Eldar? Good luck finding them, and then getting them off The Craftworld.
Effectively strike at Cammoragh? Now we're getting ridiculous. How do they find it? How do they defeat the billions of angry Dark Eldar? Not to mention Vect himself and the other Archons? A few hours of attacking the Dark City utterly crippled about a Chapters worth of Space Marines and left about half alive, with only one ship out of 6. They survived because Vect LET THEM LEAVE.

They can't be willfully corrupted. They can still choose, and they can still die, Chaos could consume them all the same.

This advancement isn't a certainty. Just because they've gone quite far doesn't mean they can continue. Since all their weaponry is just heat, explain how they will do any better than the Guard. Nullify Gauss? That's takes some amount of imagination to think that's easily possible.

Again, not a certainty. If the Mechanicus and The Ordo Xenos haven't come up with anything in 10,000 years, good luck Tau is all I can say. Not to mention that The Tyranids will adapt to become immune to it in the next wave of a single Hive Fleet, not to mention that every-single fleet is fundamentally different.

Currently, every other race could destroy the Tau, easily. Even The Eldar, who likely out-number them. Multiplying like Rabbits? Sorry what? Pure Speculation, with nothing to back up that so don't speak of it like it's a certainty either.
For me, it's hard to imagine the Tau surviving in their current form for another 100 years if the current cannon of the imminent apocalypse is to be believed.

OK, I agree with what you're saying, but how in the hell is killing about 500 guys a crushing victory? I'm suprised they even managed to land before every ship was blown to pieces by AA batteries. Even if Vect told them to ceasefire, if it's anywhere near as fortified as Cadia they would be swatted out of the sky before the order is issued. Although I'm guessing this is just the writers not wanting to kill of their precious marines .
And the second thing, the current state the Tau are in is being ignored by every other major faction simply beacause they're not a real threat. With the Tyranids being preoccupied with Imperial forces and not making much progress, they could easily keep from pissing anyone off, while their technology and population grows, until a few hundred years later they might have a minute chance of expanding without being ground into the dirt.

No matter who "wins", Orks win.

There is only war.

TrollPie wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:Wow that was Tau fanwank, even if you aren't a fanboi.

The Tau have not left them in the dust, that's amazing that you think that. Everything The Imperium uses is infinitely more complicated an advanced even if the end product is different.

Sorry, the Tau will annex The Eldar? Good luck finding them, and then getting them off The Craftworld.
Effectively strike at Cammoragh? Now we're getting ridiculous. How do they find it? How do they defeat the billions of angry Dark Eldar? Not to mention Vect himself and the other Archons? A few hours of attacking the Dark City utterly crippled about a Chapters worth of Space Marines and left about half alive, with only one ship out of 6. They survived because Vect LET THEM LEAVE.

They can't be willfully corrupted. They can still choose, and they can still die, Chaos could consume them all the same.

This advancement isn't a certainty. Just because they've gone quite far doesn't mean they can continue. Since all their weaponry is just heat, explain how they will do any better than the Guard. Nullify Gauss? That's takes some amount of imagination to think that's easily possible.

Again, not a certainty. If the Mechanicus and The Ordo Xenos haven't come up with anything in 10,000 years, good luck Tau is all I can say. Not to mention that The Tyranids will adapt to become immune to it in the next wave of a single Hive Fleet, not to mention that every-single fleet is fundamentally different.

Currently, every other race could destroy the Tau, easily. Even The Eldar, who likely out-number them. Multiplying like Rabbits? Sorry what? Pure Speculation, with nothing to back up that so don't speak of it like it's a certainty either.
For me, it's hard to imagine the Tau surviving in their current form for another 100 years if the current cannon of the imminent apocalypse is to be believed.

OK, I agree with what you're saying, but how in the hell is killing about 500 guys a crushing victory? I'm suprised they even managed to land before every ship was blown to pieces by AA batteries. Even if Vect told them to ceasefire, if it's anywhere near as fortified as Cadia they would be swatted out of the sky before the order is issued. Although I'm guessing this is just the writers not wanting to kill of their precious marines .
And the second thing, the current state the Tau are in is being ignored by every other major faction simply beacause they're not a real threat. With the Tyranids being preoccupied with Imperial forces and not making much progress, they could easily keep from pissing anyone off, while their technology and population grows, until a few hundred years later they might have a minute chance of expanding without being ground into the dirt.

This argument is not for this thread. It's should!!!!!!!!!!!! Which brings me back to why the tau shouldn't, they are brainwashed communists

Orks should win, and in their happy go lucky, "psychological perfection" they can then kill off this weirdly overrated thing called "grimdark"

Melissia wrote:No matter who "wins", Orks win.

There is only war.

Actually Orks would be a good choice to win they wouldn't kill everyone cause then there would be nobody else to fight thus there would only be war

Basically Orks have already won.

TrollPie wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:Wow that was Tau fanwank, even if you aren't a fanboi.

The Tau have not left them in the dust, that's amazing that you think that. Everything The Imperium uses is infinitely more complicated an advanced even if the end product is different.

Sorry, the Tau will annex The Eldar? Good luck finding them, and then getting them off The Craftworld.
Effectively strike at Cammoragh? Now we're getting ridiculous. How do they find it? How do they defeat the billions of angry Dark Eldar? Not to mention Vect himself and the other Archons? A few hours of attacking the Dark City utterly crippled about a Chapters worth of Space Marines and left about half alive, with only one ship out of 6. They survived because Vect LET THEM LEAVE.

They can't be willfully corrupted. They can still choose, and they can still die, Chaos could consume them all the same.

This advancement isn't a certainty. Just because they've gone quite far doesn't mean they can continue. Since all their weaponry is just heat, explain how they will do any better than the Guard. Nullify Gauss? That's takes some amount of imagination to think that's easily possible.

Again, not a certainty. If the Mechanicus and The Ordo Xenos haven't come up with anything in 10,000 years, good luck Tau is all I can say. Not to mention that The Tyranids will adapt to become immune to it in the next wave of a single Hive Fleet, not to mention that every-single fleet is fundamentally different.

Currently, every other race could destroy the Tau, easily. Even The Eldar, who likely out-number them. Multiplying like Rabbits? Sorry what? Pure Speculation, with nothing to back up that so don't speak of it like it's a certainty either.
For me, it's hard to imagine the Tau surviving in their current form for another 100 years if the current cannon of the imminent apocalypse is to be believed.

OK, I agree with what you're saying, but how in the hell is killing about 500 guys a crushing victory? I'm suprised they even managed to land before every ship was blown to pieces by AA batteries. Even if Vect told them to ceasefire, if it's anywhere near as fortified as Cadia they would be swatted out of the sky before the order is issued. Although I'm guessing this is just the writers not wanting to kill of their precious marines .

It was never about the Marines. The entire point of the invasion was to remove Vest's enemies and humiliate the rest. The fact that he can decimate so many and cripple their ships as part of plan to de-throne is enemies is a fairly good example of how the Tau will have a more difficult time trying to take it if they try a forceful invasion.