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I've seen a few of the who will win, so I was thinking how about a who should win. All of the races have flaws in them obvious or not, but who would you have rule the galaxy. Reasoning could be stable ruling, freedom of culture, or it would just be awesome. I realize Nids and crons would only destroy the galaxy but they're an option anyway just in case somebody comes up with something or just wants everyone to die. Other can be any of the other races that you can't play but are in the 40k universe

Nobody wins, this is total war. You can win when your dead. Oh wait.

Several factions are already fighitng simply for survival. The Eldar don't have the numbers to win out, they've been reduced simply to fighting to stay alive for thousands of years. The Tau are tiny, nothing has really put its full weight against them yet, and if it did, they'd be annihilated in short order.

Essentially the question is, can the Imperium hold off the Tyranids, the forces of Chaos, and awakening Necrons (who seem to have vastly overexaggerated numbers given that they weren't exactly a numerous species when they became the Necrons), or will they be destroyed?


If the Imperium is destroyed, likely scenario: Eldar and Tau go too, Orks could either be conquered and destroyed in detail or unit in a massive waaaaghh, but ultimately you'd probably have a war between the Tyranids and Necrons, with the forces of Chaos eventually breaking through and ending everything as neither the Tyranids nor Necrons can really stop the infinitie supply of unkillable Daemons.

As I said it's not a who will win, but who should

Necrons! Bow before those who know no fear, who are the harvesters of life, who have made Death itself manifest in physical form, and those who cannot die!!!

The Emperor has declared this galaxy an inheritance of man, who are you to question Him?

=I=

I'd say the ultimate winner of 40K should be the Tau and Humans.

Frankly, the two races are actually really civil toward each other and have respect for each other after several conflicts, that ended poorly for either side. The two united could also put down any threat mustered against them with the exception of Necrons... If they time to prepare though, Astartes with Pulse Rifles and Vet Squads in Battlesuits could be epic.

I'm voting for Dark Eldar. For the lulz.

Vaktathi wrote:If the Imperium is destroyed, likely scenario: Eldar and Tau go too, Orks could either be conquered and destroyed in detail or unit in a massive waaaaghh, but ultimately you'd probably have a war between the Tyranids and Necrons, with the forces of Chaos eventually breaking through and ending everything as neither the Tyranids nor Necrons can really stop the infinitie supply of unkillable Daemons.

Eh, I disagree. If it came down to Tyranids vs. Necrons, then Chaos is no longer a player on the board. In fact, I would say Chaos would be phased out as a threat along with the Imperium. Neither the bugs nor the necrons can be corrupted in the slightest, nor do they have any emotions or vices to feed the Warp.

Xarian wrote:I'm voting for Dark Eldar. For the lulz.

Dammit, I wish I could go back and change my vote. The Dark Eldar should totally win. They'll just feth the rest of the universe into non-existence.

BeefCakeSoup wrote:I'd say the ultimate winner of 40K should be the Tau and Humans.

Frankly, the two races are actually really civil toward each other and have respect for each other after several conflicts, that ended poorly for either side. The two united could also put down any threat mustered against them with the exception of Necrons... If they time to prepare though, Astartes with Pulse Rifles and Vet Squads in Battlesuits could be epic.

The Emperor's vision for mankind does not have room for Xenos. Hell, we've seen in the novels races that were entirely human except for tiny traces of alien DNA that was likely used to eliminate some congenital disease, yet were marked for utter extermination due to that tiny imperfection.

This thread is heretical.

Only the Imperium should emerge victorious.

No one is going to win, that's just the way the Dark Gods want it. And in our own little way, that's us winning. Chaos will let the Imperium suffer for eternity....well, that is until the 'nid eat it. They ruin everything. Aren't even civil enough for tea. Le sigh.

Well... Book 7 of the HH (Legion) says the ancient ones forsaw the end of times. If Horus won the Apocalypse would follow. If the Emperor won the galaxy would slowly fall to chaos in about 10,000 years (40k).

So either way the fluff kinda says chaos is gonna win out. But I kinda hoped we'd all find out that the "Outsider" is the hive mind and that the ancient ones created the Krorks (Orks) to face them. That'd lead to a massive galaxy wide war of green vs purple.

Chaos.....

Realistically they dont just taint Space Marine lol, they can taint everything.

All they have to do is stand aside waiting till everyone kill each other and deal the finishing blow.

Anyone how don't click Imperium is the traitor to his own race.

Seriously, why would someone want his own race to lose?


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DeffDred wrote:Well... Book 7 of the HH (Legion) says the ancient ones forsaw the end of times. If Horus won the Apocalypse would follow. If the Emperor won the galaxy would slowly fall to chaos in about 10,000 years (40k).

That prophesy has been told by several idiots, and bigger idiots of them are those who follow them.
It's like we and 2012, how many people believe in doom's day? And still after that pass they will believe in another one.
People must use logic before faith, just like the Emperor told.

I voted for Eldar because they seem to be the only race that learns from their mistakes and could live in harmony with the other races.

Imperium of Man will last forever and its adversaries will slowly decay and bow in awe...

(But rationally speaking, Tyranids and Necrons seems to have a fairly advantage, because of their inner nature... Chaos just behind but I agree with Omegus -once again- when he says Chaos will be completely outdated when it comes to that, because of its natural link with humanity and passions)

Orks!!

Everyday would be a riot of drinking fungus beer, having squig eating competitions and then hitting someone on the head with a heavy object.

The galaxy would be like one long Saturday night!

Grenat wrote:
(But rationally speaking, Tyranids and Necrons seems to have a fairly advantage, because of their inner nature... Chaos just behind but I agree with Omegus -once again- when he says Chaos will be completely outdated when it comes to that, because of its natural link with humanity and passions)

Do they? Reading the Nid-Codex, Tyranids seem to be one of the weakest forces in the Galaxy. The regularly get a beating by things like Maugan Ra (all by himself!), random Ork Freebooters or drifting Eldar Craftworlds (Yriel by himself has two "hive-fleet-notches" on his spear already). Inquisitors are free to co-opt Hive Fleets for their own purpose. Not one Nid invasion has ever successfully conqured a major or important planet of the Imperium (think Armageddon). They avoid even dormant Necrons purposefully. The Tau beat them off; and are actually "stronger" as a race for it because fighting Nids gave them another boost in technological evolution (Ironically therefore, if Nids ever stumble into Tau territory again, it would make the Tau are larger threat).

If you ask me, the Tyranid-threat is greatly exaggerated by the Nid-fans. Even given the flaws of the other factions, Nids seem incapable of posing a serious danger to any of them.

Well for would I have to say nids or necrons, however for should I havve to say Tau since they are probably the least dictatoral/massacre all nonbelievers out of the lot

Zweischneid wrote:

Grenat wrote:
(But rationally speaking, Tyranids and Necrons seems to have a fairly advantage, because of their inner nature... Chaos just behind but I agree with Omegus -once again- when he says Chaos will be completely outdated when it comes to that, because of its natural link with humanity and passions)

Do they? Reading the Nid-Codex, Tyranids seem to be one of the weakest forces in the Galaxy. The regularly get a beating by things like Maugan Ra (all by himself!), random Ork Freebooters or drifting Eldar Craftworlds (Yriel by himself has two "hive-fleet-notches" on his spear already). Inquisitors are free to co-opt Hive Fleets for their own purpose. Not one Nid invasion has ever successfully conqured a major or important planet of the Imperium (think Armageddon). They avoid even dormant Necrons purposefully. The Tau beat them off; and are actually "stronger" as a race for it because fighting Nids gave them another boost in technological evolution (Ironically therefore, if Nids ever stumble into Tau territory again, it would make the Tau are larger threat).

For me, the point is most that : actually, Hive Fleet in the Imperium are only a very few part of the tyranid race, who wait silently in the void.
Tyranids do not conquer worlds, so yeah, basically, you're right about the conquest part.

Zweischneid wrote:
If you ask me, the Tyranid-threat is greatly exaggerated by the Nid-fans. Even given the flaws of the other factions, Nids seem incapable of posing a serious danger to any of them.

I totally understand what you mean
But beware of not acting in the exact opposite, because in the end you seem to criticaly underate a vicious threat, for the sole point of "there is no proof atm". I view tyranids like a diesel motor

Grenat wrote:

For me, the point is most that : actually, Hive Fleet in the Imperium are only a very few part of the tyranid race, who wait silently in the void.
Tyranids do not conquer worlds, so yeah, basically, you're right about the conquest part.

Well, sure there may be gazillions of Tyranid yet out there in the void we do not know about (or there may not be any). Just as well, the Primarchs may return to the Imperium fullfilling prophecies and ancient soothsaying. The Tau may make another massive evolutionary/technological leap and outclass all other races beyond all comparability. The ancient machinations of the Eldar may come to bear fruit, raising the dying race to prominence again. The Orks may all unite, every single one of them, under the banner of the greatest WAAAGH ever seen. Etc.. ,etc.. .

I think you need to avoid comparing apples and oranges. If you measure the "threat" of any given race (including the Nids), you can compare the "facts" of the status que we know from the fluff against the status queo we know about other races from the fluff. Or you can compare each races "doomsday prophecy" against one another. But comparing the "what may be/worst-case scenario" of the Tyranids against the "status quo" of the other races is largely measuring by two different standards.

Alright, I understand what you mean by two different standards. But, in that case I think the eternal war is a good option. "Who should win" seems like "who is the better" for me and finally gets a little odd in 40k universe, which is not designed to evolute.

Well, who should win is subjective from each races perspective. Imperium believe they should win etc....
They way I see it, if the winner means that their every goal is achieved, then The Imperium, as it's goals includes the destruction of every other race. However, the Tau would likely prove to be the best race to govern the galaxy, as much as I hate to admit it, and providing they don't encounter any massive obstacles, which they are guaranteed to. From my own perspective Glory to Chaos!

Who I would like to win as a 40K player is Chaos.

As a person, the Imperium.

The race who would actually win would be a close run thing between Orks and Tyranids in my opinion.

I think you need to avoid comparing apples and oranges. If you measure the "threat" of any given race (including the Nids), you can compare the "facts" of the status que we know from the fluff against the status queo we know about other races from the fluff. Or you can compare each races "doomsday prophecy" against one another. But comparing the "what may be/worst-case scenario" of the Tyranids against the "status quo" of the other races is largely measuring by two different standards.

That to me is part of the writing "strategy" of GW in relation to the Nids though.
I agree if you go on current fluff and history, they havent achieved a huge amount.
However the proverbial carrot is dangled with the potential threat that they can unleash (Imp will need a 500% increase in military strenght, even bigger fleets waiting in the void, our is the last Galaxy standing etc etc).

There is the view also that the Nids are Xenos and hence will never receive as much "fluff loving" as the Marines/IG etc.

I agree though one cannot measure their threat using potential unless one is willing to deal in hypotheticals (which can be very fun too).

Voted Eldar in this one, their culture seems to be somewhat more evolved then the IG/Tau etc and as someone mentioned they have been through a truely calamitous event in their history which they (I assume) have learned from.
I'll clarify evolved with lack of poverty/abuse/deprivation, they are a broken race but still have the hope of creating Ynnead and killing Slannesh, which drives them and they have a singular purpose now: survival.

FOR the emperor death to all heretics and xenosx

But really you will see the eldar will sick the green skins against the nids they both take heavy losses then an inquisitor declares shenanigans and nukes the planet they were fighting on killing all survivors. Rinse and repeat.

After a while something will back fire and either the green skins or nids will mess up the eldar bringing them to the brink of extinction.

With the last remaining strength the eldar manage to close the eye cutting off the evil powers for ever but in return the eldar all die.

The dark eldar mess with some new weapon turns out its a giant magnet that also magically sucks the ctan to it causing the necron and their goods to be sucked into the web way which cant handle that way and ends up collapsing thus trapping the DE and crons to duke it out crons would eventually win and be like ok nap time.

Tau end up coming across the remains of the last part or a hive fleet and end up getting chased by them with the forces of chaos coming at them as well a big battle ensues and the tau are wiped out because their command breaks down due to space communism. The nids are then wiped out and chaos take huge losses.

The forces of the Imperium finally get a chance to fight they go out and wipe the floor with the remaining chaos forces.

Everyone is now dead.

The Imperium sends out forces in all directions to clean up anything that shouldnt be alive and their borders expand.

And everyone lives happily ever after

sorry decided a story would be nice

In GK's codex, it says an undying special character (I don't remember his name), as he lived many time and much time, knows that no matter their efforts Chaos will destroy the Imperium eventually. Bye Imperium.
I red that Necrons could had prepared a warp trap, positioning certain planets in certain borders of the galaxy for creating a non-warp zone which would surround the whole galaxy. Bye Chaos.
Finally, Tyranids are stripping all the galaxy of life, excepting Necrons. This leaves Tyranids and Necrons and possible winners. Other races would be eventually eaten, vanished or overcome by Chaos, so... happy end! =D

Tyranids, whilst my first race that I ever played, are a relative fly on The Imperium's jacket. They've consumed a whopping 0.2% or less of The Imperium. They have a far greater potential for destruction than the Necrons, and are order of magnitude more threatening than the Tau, but to say they are a big player is a lie, by going on current fluff.

Essentially, all biomass in the galaxy (and there's a lot of it in 40k) are just more Tyranids waiting to happen. They win by attrition, and a galaxy wide Shadow in the Warp essentially locks Chaos out of realspace. You might have isolated Daemonic incursions, but in the end the Tyranids, in all of their perfect predatory glory, should pick this galaxy clean before moving on to the next one.

- Biologis Krow
Declared Hereticus Horribilis and executed
M.41.6911

Yeah, potentially, but not as things are just now.