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htj wrote:

pretre wrote:

androcles138 wrote:Is it actually confirmed that they will be coming out with a 5 box, or is that still rumored?

As with most rumors, nothing is confirmed until we see a pre-order.

Yeah, 24 hours before they come out, most likely.

That would be the advanced pre-order in which the product is just shown as a large red question mark, with such fancy names as "NEW PRODUCT - 001".

n0t_u wrote:

htj wrote:

pretre wrote:

androcles138 wrote:Is it actually confirmed that they will be coming out with a 5 box, or is that still rumored?

As with most rumors, nothing is confirmed until we see a pre-order.

Yeah, 24 hours before they come out, most likely.

That would be the advanced pre-order in which the product is just shown as a large red question mark, with such fancy names as "NEW PRODUCT - 001".

Unless you're a White Dwarf subscriber. Then you can pre-order it one week later than everybody else.

Can we keep the witty GW commentary down and talk about the SOB rumors?

We can try, but no promises.

How reliable is this Algorath whose rumours Kroothawk reposted? Has he been on the money before, or have they come out of nowhere?

Algorath didn't produce those rumors, afaik. He compiled them into one post from a variety of sources. As with any rumors, you should take them with a giant pile of salt. Even worse, because he accumulated rumors from multiple sources it increases the chance that his are wrong.

Hmm, that's hardly encouraging. A pity, really, because they look nice to me. But then, that's often the sign of a wishlist.

Was actually done with the "witty" banter about GW policies myself.

I'm just as interested in these rumors as I want to find out if I'll be able to continue to build up my army more and how much of it will become worthless, conversion wise at least

I'm inclined to believe the model rumours. Something about the way they were written, including the author not knowing what an inferno pistol was but describing it anyway, rang true. Could just be convincing tosh, though.

Nice, any update on the release of new SOB?

Confirmed WD Codex August and September, BramGaunt suggests a real Codex not far away (first half 2012).

Kroothawk wrote:Confirmed WD Codex August and September, BramGaunt suggests a real Codex not far away (first half 2012).

If this is true why bother releasing a WD codex now as thats less than a year away at most? Its really a waste of effort and the WD space could be given to something else. I have no doubt that a WD dex is on the way but I'd be incredulous as to release another dex in less than a year. Thats a shockign amount of attention to show the neglected Sisters of Battle.

If it is like the Warriors of Choas army book it is probably to reduce the amount of models people are buying they won't be able to use when the actual codex is released. It's basically confirmed that both allies and inquisitor units will no longer be part of the Sisters of Battle army so a hold over codex will let people know the direction of the force and to plan somewhat accordingly.

I know I would be pissed if I bought a Karamazov model and a bunch of Stormtrooper units a month before the codex made them illegal. Obviously there's going to be some point of time in which someone gets screwed (for instance the guy that bought said models before the white Dwarf codex rumors became more solid) but the earlier they put that information out there the less the damage is overall.

Ixquic wrote:If it is like the Warriors of Choas army book it is probably to reduce the amount of models people are buying they won't be able to use when the actual codex is released. It's basically confirmed that both allies and inquisitor units will no longer be part of the Sisters of Battle army so a hold over codex will let people know the direction of the force and to plan somewhat accordingly.

I know I would be pissed if I bought a Karamazov model and a bunch of Stormtrooper units a month before the codex made them illegal. Obviously there's going to be some point of time in which someone gets screwed (for instance the guy that bought said models before the white Dwarf codex rumors became more solid) but the earlier they put that information out there the less the damage is overall.

They want your money, if they can help it they won't tell you untill the day it comes out so lots people would have bought expensive metal models or lots unusable models.

andrewm9 wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:Confirmed WD Codex August and September, BramGaunt suggests a real Codex not far away (first half 2012).

If this is true why bother releasing a WD codex now as thats less than a year away at most? Its really a waste of effort and the WD space could be given to something else. I have no doubt that a WD dex is on the way but I'd be incredulous as to release another dex in less than a year. Thats a shockign amount of attention to show the neglected Sisters of Battle.

As it has been stated the WFB WoC had a WD codex then 6 months later had their new codex. Much like the WD update to the WoC this update to the SoB is to Remove the allies rules, remove inquisitors so that it is in line with the GK codex, and update the points costs of all the units to be more in line with the 5th edition. In addition also looking at the rumors they might also be including changes to the core rules for SoB like acts of faith to set it up for the eventual book codex release.

fox-light713 wrote:As it has been stated the WFB WoC had a WD codex then 6 months later had their new codex. Much like the WD update to the WoC this update to the SoB is to Remove the allies rules, remove inquisitors so that it is in line with the GK codex, and update the points costs of all the units to be more in line with the 5th edition. In addition also looking at the rumors they might also be including changes to the core rules for SoB like acts of faith to set it up for the eventual book codex release.

That (point costs, ally rules) could have been accomplished in a 1 page FAQ update really. Honestly if the Faith rules work as presented in the rumors, Sisters will be taking a serious nerf unless there are additional special rules we haven't seen yet.

And as for 'why' - well, to seel copies of WD at (x) dollars each.

The development work on the list is mostly complete.

Why not generate more sales for a 'magazine' that I'd bet even GW realizes isn't selling what it used to sell?

Kirika wrote:This is a SOB specific strat for Cities of Death supplement to be released in White Dwarf. If you don't want to play Cities of Death you don't have to. Its like last years Planetstrike WD supplement. Totally optional. Do these supplements actually do all that well?

I did pick up some of the planetstrike terrain for my display board and for conversions.

I bet a lot of that stuff will be rolled into the main rules for 6th edition. Spearhead especially.

andrewm9 wrote:

fox-light713 wrote:As it has been stated the WFB WoC had a WD codex then 6 months later had their new codex. Much like the WD update to the WoC this update to the SoB is to Remove the allies rules, remove inquisitors so that it is in line with the GK codex, and update the points costs of all the units to be more in line with the 5th edition. In addition also looking at the rumors they might also be including changes to the core rules for SoB like acts of faith to set it up for the eventual book codex release.

That (point costs, ally rules) could have been accomplished in a 1 page FAQ update really. Honestly if the Faith rules work as presented in the rumors, Sisters will be taking a serious nerf unless there are additional special rules we haven't seen yet.

I am fairly confident with the rules that were leaked that we will see the ability to roll multiple dice per faith act you want to accomplish. This will actually make faith pretty reliable. I'm also pretty confident that there are more faith acts that we haven't seen that will balance things out. I am a bit of an optimist though.

Your optimism isn't entirely unwarranted. We normally get only half the story with these kinds of rumours, so it's quite possible that you're right. I reckon a fairly big change is coming for AoF, but I couldn't hazard a guess as to what exactly it might be.

I find it very doubtful that GW will shoehorn Celestians, Battle Sisters and Seraphim into the same box. It's more likely that we'll see Battle Sisters squads released in boxes of ten models (probably at the US $41.25 price point), and a second, five model box set that can be built as either Celestians or Seraphim (for around US $33.00).

Will be interesting to see how they've done AoF.

At the moment I love them (although only two get a lot of use) and are about the only thing going for the Sisters atm. I love that feeling when you see a load of 6's come up after Divine Guidance.

Marthike wrote:

Ixquic wrote:If it is like the Warriors of Choas army book it is probably to reduce the amount of models people are buying they won't be able to use when the actual codex is released. It's basically confirmed that both allies and inquisitor units will no longer be part of the Sisters of Battle army so a hold over codex will let people know the direction of the force and to plan somewhat accordingly.

I know I would be pissed if I bought a Karamazov model and a bunch of Stormtrooper units a month before the codex made them illegal. Obviously there's going to be some point of time in which someone gets screwed (for instance the guy that bought said models before the white Dwarf codex rumors became more solid) but the earlier they put that information out there the less the damage is overall.

They want your money, if they can help it they won't tell you untill the day it comes out so lots people would have bought expensive metal models or lots unusable models.

Eh I'm as much of a hater on GW's crappy sales policies as the next guy but honestly I don't think they want to screw people in such a grandiose fashion. There's a difference between hiding new models as to keep the sales of older crappy ones steady as long as possible and straight up selling stuff they know people won't be able to use in half a year. The fact they released the Warriors of Chaos WD list proves this point since they could have just continued to sell the old book and let people build soon to be illegal lists with expensive models.

Thanks whoever locked my thread. I told you they were working on them!

Ixquic wrote:
Eh I'm as much of a hater on GW's crappy sales policies as the next guy but honestly I don't think they want to screw people in such a grandiose fashion. There's a difference between hiding new models as to keep the sales of older crappy ones steady as long as possible and straight up selling stuff they know people won't be able to use in half a year. The fact they released the Warriors of Chaos WD list proves this point since they could have just continued to sell the old book and let people build soon to be illegal lists with expensive models.

Current Sisters' models aren't going to be selling any more than they are which is to say not at all. The new WD codex won't change that especially if people think it will all change again in 6 months. Hence my question "what's the point?" They don't not sell because they have bad rules, they're not selling becuase people already have all the models they want or are too expensive. For instance I've got more than 200 sisters and I surely don't want more unless they give me something cool and new or heck just plain new with models more than 12 years old for my basic troop. For new people, when your basic units cost almost double that of a Space Marine unit, why bother when there are better cheaper models to be used in other armies that actually get support.

It's to conceivably stop people from buying Lemon Russes, Inquisitors, storm troopers, assassins, etc when the new codex will no longer allow them.

Ixquic wrote:It's to conceivably stop people from buying Lemon Russes, Inquisitors, storm troopers, assassins, etc when the new codex will no longer allow them.

GW would never do that. That is not their M.O. all of the sudden they care more about customer support then selling models lol?

Ixquic wrote:It's to conceivably stop people from buying Lemon Russes, Inquisitors, storm troopers, assassins, etc when the new codex will no longer allow them.

Thats kind of stretching it I think and I'm willing to bet GW has never cared about that before. Again I don't think that this new codex will make people run out and buy a new army so accidentally buying a single Leman Russ probably isn't corssing GW"s mind at all. If GW cared about the army and the players of it, they wouldn't have broken up the miniature boxed sets or 10 sisters and 5 seraphim and stopped selling them almost 2 years ago. I guess what I am driving at is that a new Sisters codex will not be released in 6 months.

People will definitely buy new models when they become available.

Heck I would probably buy models if they came out finecast and I have close to 150 myself as well as over a dozen tanks.

You have people out there with 10000-15000 points of Space Marines, Orks, Imperial guards... You will have people with just as many points in Sisters of Battle and you will definitely see a lot more of them once we have more than the few generic poses that are currently available.

My personal long term goal is to build up a Preceptory. It's a long shot, but have to set yourself ambitious goals if you're going to accomplish anything in life

Voldrak wrote:People will definitely buy new models when they become available.

Heck I would probably buy models if they came out finecast and I have close to 150 myself as well as over a dozen tanks.

You have people out there with 10000-15000 points of Space Marines, Orks, Imperial guards... You will have people with just as many points in Sisters of Battle and you will definitely see a lot more of them once we have more than the few generic poses that are currently available.

My personal long term goal is to build up a Preceptory. It's a long shot, but have to set yourself ambitious goals if you're going to accomplish anything in life

True enough. With all the current holes in the Sisters codex though I've kind fo limited myself to about 6 or 7 housand points worth of Sisters as the holes in the codex are magnified at larger point scales such as in Apcoalypse. I love to play Apoc games, but Sisters have only 2 formations from Imperial Armour and one really lame stratagem. As a result I supplement them with IG armor and heavy weapons sqauds. They end up workly nicely and the Sisters stiffen the IG's morale issues. I want no more Sisters in metal and I if I did I wouldn't want to buy more at current prices if they come out in Finecast. Theprice is imply too high even on Ebay.

That is so GW...

So, My regular squads are formed by 10 Sisters with the same weapons, some heavy/assault weapons, and a Superior.

Ok, then they charge me the regular price for 10 girls (33 Dollars), but sell me only 5 of them. Well they are not so bad, as they put in that box everything i need to build 5 girls of any type in codex. So, when i build my 10 Girls squad i will have 10 Beautifull Sisters, and a lot of spare bitz exactly suited to build 10 more sisters of another squad type, except i dont have enough bodyes... Man, they are soooooo KIND. Love you GW!!!!

No really, that is smart... One of the fallowing will happen:

Some guys will quit, felling like betrayed after a lot of time...
Some other guys will make their own molds of female bodys in resin, not hard nowaday with silicone and such...
Chapter House or some other company will produce bits and bodyes for "replacement", wich will end up cheaper...
Anyway, GW make money, becouse a lot of teenagers will buy the new bitch nurses...

Seriously? Look at the past, what where the most loved releases from GW in the last 2 years?
Space Wolves Pack (10 man for regular marines + Lots of Extra Bits)
Space Wolves Terminator (5 termie regular squad + lots of extra bits)
GK Terminators (5 termie regular squad + lots of extra bits)
Dark Eldars (who are all regular sized squads, with lots of extra bits)

What are the most hated of them? (in plastic 40k)
GK Power Armored (i dont need to say why, right?)

What of those models they are seeking?

Thats is So GW...