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Hmmm.... an ancient race who hate chaos because their god and world were destroyed by Slaanesh, and now revere small fragments of that god scattered among them...

I have trouble believing even GW is lazy enough to just completely recycle background like that.

If GW wants to put in a new race, you know what I'd like to see? Normal people. A race that has no ideology whatsoever. Someone who doesn't throw their lot in with Chaos, and someone who thinks the Empire and all the other powers are way too fascist. Basically, they fight for money or territory or self-defense and nothing more. Sort of like the Kroot, but developed into something that has a bit of variety to it.

Yeah, yeah, I know the rumours about how next edition is all about fighting Chaos, blah-de-blah-de-blah. I don't care. What GW really needs to make their IP come alive is a tiny section of it populated by normal people whom the audience can easily sympathize with and who can be a lense through which the madness of the 40K galaxy is portrayed.

Platuan4th wrote:

Alpharius wrote:I thought Xenology has been declared excommunicatus, i.e., not canon?

Since when? It's Black Library and as people love to say, Black library is canon. I've never seen anything to contradict that.

Black Library stuff as a whole seems to be 'secondary canon' above any licensed material, but less so than the primary sources of the main game books. And in GW's general workflow, even the game books are subject to change if a better idea comes along. This is sometimes a good thing, sometimes a bad thing.

Hrud were mentioned in Age of Darkness as quietly swallowing up systems on the edge of Imperial space.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:There is no salt mountain large enough to feature in a picture here to illustrate my disbelief in this 'rumour'.


And yes, GW can't even maintain a solid turnover with their current codices. (and they're certainly not providing adequate cover with the army book releases so far for 8th WHFB). So perhaps getting their current house in order would seem more prudent than releasing yet another race.

Given no SoB codex and the stop-gap of a WD codex for them, I don't think they have the time or inclination.





Buuuut.... if they were to do a new codex, I'd be happy to see a non-marine one.

While I agree with your logic, I can see one flaw. GW really doesn't give a flip about codicies, outside of them selling minis. So is there a potential possibility that they'd ignore a bunch of existing lines for which they don't have a ton of new models in order to cash in on the payday of a brand new race where customers have to buy each and every new piece?

Yeah, I could totally see that.

Remember, GW by their own thinking is not a game company, they are a mini company, with a bottom line of getting you to fork over as much of your money as they think they can get for their product.

And btw, I don't actually see a problem with that, it just means that a new race and all of the attendant splurging that would result seems more plausible when you realise that the rules only exist to sell more minis, not vice-versa. If GW really cared about the rules and an updated codex, they wouldn't have initiated the every 4 year rule changes.

Unlike the real thing, at least dung on the Internet has no actual smell. But I suppose after the announcements from GW of the past couple months, anything is possible.

In order to pass the smell test this like any product rumor has to ultimately be about sales. If this is something that GW could sell long-term for years to come, then it's as possible as anything else, especially if it would sell better than just another update to an existing army. In order to sell well, it would have to fill a niche not already covered. Necrons filled the "killer robot" niche that works well in any SF universe and Tau added a Robotech-esque look to 40K to attract customers from that niche of SF. Additional Space Marine armies added over the years sell well because they are the most popular range and idea in 40K. So the question is, what marketing niche do Hrud fill if they were to become a full model range with a Codex for gaming and is that a viable large-scale marketable idea?

I like how everyone is trying to apply logic to this rumor. GW seems like a company that has quite a lot of projects on their plate at any given moment and are willing to cut one of those projects at the slightest provocation at the last possibly moment. Hence the rumors control. I think GW doesn't want to announce anything new for the reasons they have mentioned themselves but at the same time not have to be held accountable to what they have said in the past.

These rumors could well be true but then at the last moment GW could scrap the whole project and save them for another day or attach them to something else like a tau auxiliary race.

Pretty much what I am saying everyone speculating could be right in some weird convoluted way and the only people who would know are the GW decision makers.

BrassScorpion wrote:Unlike the real thing, at least dung on the Internet has no actual smell. But I suppose after the announcements from GW of the past couple months, anything is possible.

In order to pass the smell test this like any product rumor has to ultimately be about sales. If this is something that GW could sell long-term for years to come, then it's as possible as anything else, especially if it would sell better than just another update to an existing army. In order to sell well, it would have to fill a niche not already covered. Necrons filled the "killer robot" niche that works well in any SF universe and Tau added a Robotech-esque look to 40K to attract customers from that niche of SF. Additional Space Marine armies added over the years sell well because they are the most popular range and idea in 40K. So the question is, what marketing niche do Hrud fill if they were to become a full model range with a Codex for gaming and is that a viable large-scale marketable idea?

Bridging the gap between WH Fantasy and WH 40K?

I'm new to the fluff etc but it sounds as though there's cross-over between dwarves and skaven here right? Maybe they'd do this to try and tempt those fantasy players not already into 40k into "joining the dark side". I don't know, just thinking on-keyboard.

Could be interesting way to explain what happened to the dwarfs / skaven though - where they went and all that. Instead of being wiped out maybe they mutated into a hybrid race that fled to the stars, etc etc etc.

Pael wrote:I like how everyone is trying to apply logic to this rumor. GW seems like a company that has quite a lot of projects on their plate at any given moment and are willing to cut one of those projects at the slightest provocation at the last possibly moment. Hence the rumors control. I think GW doesn't want to announce anything new for the reasons they have mentioned themselves but at the same time not have to be held accountable to what they have said in the past.

These rumors could well be true but then at the last moment GW could scrap the whole project and save them for another day or attach them to something else like a tau auxiliary race.

Pretty much what I am saying everyone speculating could be right in some weird convoluted way and the only people who would know are the GW decision makers.

This is one of the best, most salient posts I've seen on this forum in a while. And from a fellow Marylander.

kitch102 wrote:
Could be interesting way to explain what happened to the dwarfs / skaven though - where they went and all that. Instead of being wiped out maybe they mutated into a hybrid race that fled to the stars, etc etc etc.

Squats got eaten. Skaven never existed in 40K. 40K =!= future Fantasy.

The days of 40K armies being equivalents to Fantasy armies ended when Tau showed up.

Warhammer and 40K were a lot closer when I started with GW products more than 20 years ago. By 3rd Edition 40K in 1998 GW was deliberately trying to put more distance between 40K and WFB than had existed previously. If they are trying to make them more directly similar now it would be another "retro" move, but there have been quite a few "what's old is new again" moves in 5th Ed. 40K so it's not impossible even if it may seem unlikely.

Platuan4th wrote:

kitch102 wrote:
Could be interesting way to explain what happened to the dwarfs / skaven though - where they went and all that. Instead of being wiped out maybe they mutated into a hybrid race that fled to the stars, etc etc etc.

Squats got eaten. Skaven never existed in 40K. 40K =!= future Fantasy.

The days of 40K armies being equivalents to Fantasy armies ended when Tau showed up.

No no no sir, tau are the lizardmen of the far future. Blue, scaly skin, beady wee little eyes, and stuck somewhere down south. Where "I sure like your boots" meet "You got a pretty little mouth."

(no offense intended, just trying to be funny, sorry ot those tau and southern folk out there)

Pael wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:

kitch102 wrote:
Could be interesting way to explain what happened to the dwarfs / skaven though - where they went and all that. Instead of being wiped out maybe they mutated into a hybrid race that fled to the stars, etc etc etc.

Squats got eaten. Skaven never existed in 40K. 40K =!= future Fantasy.

The days of 40K armies being equivalents to Fantasy armies ended when Tau showed up.

No no no sir, tau are the lizardmen of the far future. Blue, scaly skin, beady wee little eyes, and stuck somewhere down south. Where "I sure like your boots" meet "You got a pretty little mouth."

(no offense intended, just trying to be funny, sorry ot those tau and southern folk out there)

You know an easy way not to offend "southern folk?" Don't insult them. Then you don't have to issue a parenthetical apology.

Your earlier post about how using logic on GW's decisions is a pretty valid point though. I no longer try to imagine what I think is "best" or a "good idea" when thinking about what GW does. In fact, now that they have gone super-paranoid, I don't think I want to speculate about anything anymore.

I can't see it - they have too much going on - not that it wouldn't be nice.

I don't hold much stock in rumours until I see pictures anyway - remember the Necron rumours started by 'Bob from Marketing' a while back and how people bought that? Personally I just wish they'd do a few 'surprise releases' every year - the cycle of wave releases is dull. I'd just like to see the occassional boxed set or updates for different things - they could release a set of plastic Hrud, put the rules in White Dwarf (like they used to) and people would by it.

*Shrugs*

So the question is, what marketing niche do Hrud fill if they were to become a full model range with a Codex for gaming and is that a viable large-scale marketable idea?

Hrud fill the niche as a race of intergalactic gribbly hobo's

While I'd like this to be true, and from what little I know of them I think the Hrud seem like a faction that could be expanded upon in very interesting ways, unfortunately I think these rumours are just wishful thinking...

JOHIRA wrote:Hmmm.... an ancient race who hate chaos because their god and world were destroyed by Slaanesh, and now revere small fragments of that god scattered among them...

I have trouble believing even GW is lazy enough to just completely recycle background like that.

If GW wants to put in a new race, you know what I'd like to see? Normal people. A race that has no ideology whatsoever. Someone who doesn't throw their lot in with Chaos, and someone who thinks the Empire and all the other powers are way too fascist. Basically, they fight for money or territory or self-defense and nothing more. Sort of like the Kroot, but developed into something that has a bit of variety to it.

Yeah, yeah, I know the rumours about how next edition is all about fighting Chaos, blah-de-blah-de-blah. I don't care. What GW really needs to make their IP come alive is a tiny section of it populated by normal people whom the audience can easily sympathize with and who can be a lense through which the madness of the 40K galaxy is portrayed.

All the evidence so far indicates that what the IP needs is more Space Mariens.

I did find it really odd that the previously barely mentioned and seemingly left intentionally vague Hrud suddenly had a very chunky amount of detail revealed about them in Age of Darkness.

It really did suggest to me at the time, that at the very least, people at GW were doing some serious thinking about them.

Kilkrazy wrote:

JOHIRA wrote:Hmmm.... an ancient race who hate chaos because their god and world were destroyed by Slaanesh, and now revere small fragments of that god scattered among them...

I have trouble believing even GW is lazy enough to just completely recycle background like that.

If GW wants to put in a new race, you know what I'd like to see? Normal people. A race that has no ideology whatsoever. Someone who doesn't throw their lot in with Chaos, and someone who thinks the Empire and all the other powers are way too fascist. Basically, they fight for money or territory or self-defense and nothing more. Sort of like the Kroot, but developed into something that has a bit of variety to it.

Yeah, yeah, I know the rumours about how next edition is all about fighting Chaos, blah-de-blah-de-blah. I don't care. What GW really needs to make their IP come alive is a tiny section of it populated by normal people whom the audience can easily sympathize with and who can be a lense through which the madness of the 40K galaxy is portrayed.

All the evidence so far indicates that what the IP needs is more Space Mariens.

Truer words were never spoken!

Codex: Alpha Legion, double quick please!

And hes, the Hrud do get a mention in Age of Darkness.

Perturabo pissed them off and 'forced them' to act out aggressively against the Imperium

The seem to also possess some sort of rapid aging technology, effective against both Organics and Machines...

JOHIRA wrote:Normal people. A race that has no ideology whatsoever.

Normal people have no ideology?

Compel wrote:I did find it really odd that the previously barely mentioned and seemingly left intentionally vague Hrud suddenly had a very chunky amount of detail revealed about them in Age of Darkness.

It really did suggest to me at the time, that at the very least, people at GW were doing some serious thinking about them.

They were explained a bit in C: IG, the main 40k rulebook, and several other places.

It's not a big deal. They're fluffing out a lot of the minor races, not because of the 40k TTG, but because of the forthcoming MMO and the various RPG systems out there.

JOHIRA wrote:Hmmm.... an ancient race who hate chaos because their god and world were destroyed by Slaanesh, and now revere small fragments of that god scattered among them...

You mean Eldar, right? RIGHT?

I did find it really odd that the previously barely mentioned and seemingly left intentionally vague Hrud suddenly had a very chunky amount of detail revealed about them in Age of Darkness.

Well, by that logic, Exodite Eldar are more likely than Hrud. The Hrud only got one story in Age of Darkness... The Exodites got an entire book in Promethean Sun. Besides that, the ancient race that hate slaanesh and revere their fragmented god fits the Eldar much better than it does the Hrud (from what we know). So what if Promethean Sun is a 3000 copy limited edition that won't be reprinted for 2 years or so, it makes more sense to me.

Please, please, please let this be true. I have been wanting a Hrud army since that first line drawing in 3rd edition. They have a lot of potential and would probably instantly become my new favourite army. They fill a very dark and grungy niche, as weird sinister aliens. They also fill the Jawa niche lol
They've been getting mentioned quite a lot recently, for a race that has no rules and no minis. If I remember correctly they were mentioned in 5th, Planetstrike, Age of darness and at least one recent codex.

Its not happening guys. Between the claims of intentional false rumors, the already tight release schedule, and GW's own claims of nothing new, its unlikely at best. Yeah, they've been getting mentioned a lot in the fluff and books recently, but thats more attributable to GW fleshing out more of hte background rather than releasing another book. Hrud aren't the only alien species mentioned in the Horus Heresy series that don't have rules or minis, and the other sources you've mentioned (5th, Planetstrike, codecies) have also mentioned other non-mini'd, non-ruled xenos as well (the 'hyper-violent Bargheisi' or whatever they're called are the first to come to mind across multiple sources).

Samus666 wrote:Please, please, please let this be true. I have been wanting a Hrud army since that first line drawing in 3rd edition. They have a lot of potential and would probably instantly become my new favourite army. They fill a very dark and grungy niche, as weird sinister aliens. They also fill the Jawa niche lol
They've been getting mentioned quite a lot recently, for a race that has no rules and no minis. If I remember correctly they were mentioned in 5th, Planetstrike, Age of darness and at least one recent codex.

They have absolutely no potential, at all, as an army.
They are not "very dark and grungy" and nor are they sinister.

The Loxatl have gotten far more mention over the years "for a race that has no rules and no minis".

tetrisphreak wrote: I want to see the current 16 codicies supported more.

Ill go exactly the opposite way. Id like to see the current stuff condensed, and some new blood injected. Put all the SM back in the same codexes, with supplements in WD for the "popular" chapters like BA, DA, BT, etc. Chaos SM and daemons should be one codex.

Honestly with the army choices and fluff being generally stagnant for many, many years 40k is kinda boring.

I think before people talk about a new faction they need to consider the following points:

1. GW cannot manage the number of factions they have at the moment. Some SM codexes need to be cut or amalgamated before another xenian faction can be introduced.

2. What distinctive kind of tactics could a proposed new faction use? Is it possible to bring something new, interesting and balanced to the metagame?

Without some kind of worthwhile "schtick", a new faction is nothing more than an old faction with a different set of models. We can do that for ourselves more cheaply than GW.

So, Kan, the purpose of your post was, what exactly? Just to contradict everything i had to say, even though most of it was purely matter of opinion? Did you lose an quarrel with HBMC and decide to take it out on me for some strange reason? Just curious.

What the system needs is less Space Marines, and more non-humanoid aliens. There, I said it.

Samus666 wrote:So, Kan, the purpose of your post was, what exactly? Just to contradict everything i had to say, even though most of it was purely matter of opinion?

If by "matter of opinion" you mean "matter of opinion backed by all the fiction in place about the Hrud", sure.

Did you lose an quarrel with HBMC and decide to take it out on me for some strange reason? Just curious.

Pft. HBMC never 'wins'. He just shouts the loudest.

And as a sidenote, I'm not "taking it out on you". I'm taking it out on these ridiculous rumors about a background faction, at best, that maybe 5% of the 40k fanbase have an interest in.

Kilkrazy wrote:Some SM codexes need to be cut or amalgamated before another xenian faction can be introduced.

As opposed to the 3 Chaos books, 2 Human, 2 Undead, and 3 Elf books for WHFB?

Seriously. The SM codices aren't going anywhere. There's no need for anything to be cut, just like there's no real need to introduce another "xenian faction" just for the sake of having another one.

Numbers mean nothing. Content means everything.

Kanluwen wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:Some SM codexes need to be cut or amalgamated before another xenian faction can be introduced.

As opposed to the 3 Chaos books, 2 Human, 2 Undead, and 3 Elf books for WHFB?

Seriously. The SM codices aren't going anywhere. There's no need for anything to be cut, just like there's no real need to introduce another "xenian faction" just for the sake of having another one.

Numbers mean nothing. Content means everything.

As dirty as it makes me feel(good thing I'm about to go shower to shave, eh?), I have to agree with Kan.