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Holy_doctrine wrote:If they want a new race, give us Mechanicum.

Personally, I'd rather have something that could be made as 'counts as' Guard. A new alien race would be pretty sweet. Not that I believe these rumours in the slightest.

That being said, I want a proper Sisters 'dex first.

Holy_doctrine wrote:If they want a new race, give us Mechanicum.

And then we complain about there being too much Imperium. I would love another Xeno race tbh.

Honestly, I think that a race of Space Skaven would have incredible potential in 40k. I know that GW is trying to take the two games in different directions creatively, but the thought of a tide of nasty looking space scavengers wielding highly destructive (to both sides!) weapons, weaving between insane, warp-tech vehicles and artillery pieces (and the occasional monstrous creature implanted with said artillery) is just too cool.

I would buy Space Skaven at a moment's notice.

Omegus wrote:I would buy Space Skaven at a moment's notice.

Space Skaven would get me right back into 40k.

But I'll bet that one of the 8 races for Mantic's Warpath will be a sort of 'rat-man' thing.

I see how they could do this because of how often they are mentioned in 40K fluff, but doubt it for the following reasons:

1. They (in my opinion) aren't that good matching army rules with editions ( they usually update the rules for the game before they can do all the armies...take grey knights for example)
2. I have noticed that if it makes sense (to make money among veteran players they need to come out with new units/armies), they won't do it.

But it would still be cool to see these guys represented in the game.

Leigen_Zero wrote:And Bell of Lost Souls themselves are saying that they don't really trust it:
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2011/06/40k-rumors-what-tangled-web-we-weave.html

So my friends, so many possibilities with a perfect little gem of a 40K Rumor casestudy sitting in front of us like a Faberge Egg. Do you think we are seeing:



a) Solid rumor with a bit of counter intellegence to muddy the waters

b) Bunk being fed into the online community to lead people on

c) Trial balloons being floated by GW to solicit feedback

d) Shenanigans posted by 2 lonely college students who dont want to write papers...

Oooh double-ninja'd!

There is also E that GW is putting out different false rumors to different departments looking to see which I thier lies get on the net,so they can see where the leaks are coming from.

winnertakesall wrote:

Holy_doctrine wrote:If they want a new race, give us Mechanicum.

And then we complain about there being too much Imperium. I would love another Xeno race tbh.

I don't see why, considering they're not the Imperium. They're the Adeptus Mechanicus. They're another human faction.

What Loki has said. Ad Mech is a very close ally of the Imperium, not actually part of the Imperium itself.

Honestly I didn't know that about the AdMech before today because you would never know they weren't actually part of the Imperium if you were a xenos player. Not only do they seem to be part of the Imperium, they seem to be an integral part of it to the point where it seems like it wouldn't function without them.

The Imperium couldn't function without the Ad Mech, but the Ad Mech wouldn't quite be able to function without the Imperium either. Its a symbiotic relationship.

Sidstyler wrote:Honestly I didn't know that about the AdMech before today because you would never know they weren't actually part of the Imperium if you were a xenos player. Not only do they seem to be part of the Imperium, they seem to be an integral part of it to the point where it seems like it wouldn't function without them.

And that's what makes them interesting from a fluff standpoint at least.

They're not the Imperium. They have their own god, the Omnissiah. There's a 'schism' in the Mechanicus where some believe that it is the Emperor, the rest believe it is its own entity (and is hinted at being the C'tan 'the Dragon'. They have their own very powerful military forces (Skitarii legions and Titan legions) and their own Naval forces. They have their own security forces, social hierarchy, and diplomats. They are very separate from the Imperium.

And yet, they're dependant on the Imperium, as the Imperium is dependant on them. If they ever truly stopped cooperating with the Imperium, both would suffer. But that doesn't stop the friction between the two organisations. It's one of the most interesting 'conflicts' of humans in 40k, IMO.

Ohhh interesting.

I'm currently writing up a Hrud codex homebrew codex at the moment (more to entertain myself than anything else). Although it would be interesting to see what GW would do with them I can't see this being true.

Although... Just a thought... GW has a bit of a thing for horde armies and I've certainly penned them as horde, I wonder if GW feels the same way....

As a horde army would mean more miniature sales, I would say with almost certainty if this army were to come to pass, then it would follow that pattern.

chaos0xomega wrote:What Loki has said. Ad Mech is a very close ally of the Imperium, not actually part of the Imperium itself.

From what I've read, this is actually incorrect. The AdMech are not a part of the Imperial Cult, they do not venerate the Emperor as a god (following the Omnissiah instead), but they are definitely a part of the Imperium of Man.

I've got to say, I honestly don't think I've ever been less excited about a 40K rumour. I just don't see the attraction in the Hrud. Doubt I'll ever consider playing them.

SkaerKrow wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:What Loki has said. Ad Mech is a very close ally of the Imperium, not actually part of the Imperium itself.

From what I've read, this is actually incorrect. The AdMech are not a part of the Imperial Cult, they do not venerate the Emperor as a god (following the Omnissiah instead), but they are definitely a part of the Imperium of Man.

Read your 40k history some more. The Imperium of Man and AdMech is like the Austro Hungarian Empire, two separate entities that share a common leadership.

SkaerKrow wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:What Loki has said. Ad Mech is a very close ally of the Imperium, not actually part of the Imperium itself.

From what I've read, this is actually incorrect. The AdMech are not a part of the Imperial Cult, they do not venerate the Emperor as a god (following the Omnissiah instead), but they are definitely a part of the Imperium of Man.

Ah, but that's the point. The Emperor IS to most of the Mechanicum (and certainly officialy, when dealing with the rest of the Imperium) the Omnissiah.

chaos0xomega wrote:Read your 40k history some more. The Imperium of Man and AdMech is like the Austro Hungarian Empire, two separate entities that share a common leadership.

I don't think that example is fitting for the situation between the AdMech and the Imperium. While they may have started off as separate factions, they've been working symbiotically for so long that they are now wholly inseparable. It may be that they're still be independent of one another on paper, but in practice, they're a singular entity. Trying to identify a potential AdMech Codex as not being another Imperium aligned book would be quite a stretch (or case of wishful thinking, for those that have an intense dislike for the Imperium).

Also, what does any of this have to do with the Hrud?

What it has to do with the Hrud, I don't know, but ultimately the alignment/perceived alignment of the Ad Mech would be in large part determined by the fluff in the codex. Black Library has a lot of different writers and all of them take their own individual liberties with the fluff. How close the ties are between the AdMech and the Imperium is open to some interpretation, a codex however is a good bit more definitive.

The Imperium was founded through the union of Terra and Mars. Mars has sovereignty over its own affairs, but it is explicitly a part of the Imperium. The Austro-Hungarian Empire analogy is apt, but the part of Austria is played by Terra, while the Imperium represents the unified whole.

chaos0xomega wrote:

SkaerKrow wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:What Loki has said. Ad Mech is a very close ally of the Imperium, not actually part of the Imperium itself.

From what I've read, this is actually incorrect. The AdMech are not a part of the Imperial Cult, they do not venerate the Emperor as a god (following the Omnissiah instead), but they are definitely a part of the Imperium of Man.

Read your 40k history some more. The Imperium of Man and AdMech is like the Austro Hungarian Empire, two separate entities that share a common leadership.

Until the new Necron codex comes out and reveals that they are in fact worshiping the Void Dragon.

SkaerKrow wrote:
Also, what does any of this have to do with the Hrud?

Yes... please?

So, unless there's anything new to talk about real soon, it might be time to close up shop here.

You know, until there is something!

Mad4Minis wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

SkaerKrow wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:What Loki has said. Ad Mech is a very close ally of the Imperium, not actually part of the Imperium itself.

From what I've read, this is actually incorrect. The AdMech are not a part of the Imperial Cult, they do not venerate the Emperor as a god (following the Omnissiah instead), but they are definitely a part of the Imperium of Man.

Read your 40k history some more. The Imperium of Man and AdMech is like the Austro Hungarian Empire, two separate entities that share a common leadership.

Until the new Necron codex comes out and reveals that they are in fact worshiping the Void Dragon.

Matt Ward shall use the necron codex as a way of talking about the AdMech. The codex itself will have like 8-10 pages with the stats and special rules for all of the necron models, like in the book out now, and follow with maybe 2-5 pages solely about Necrons. Then, the codex will have a story about 15-30 pages of Blood Angels and Necrons working together, solely from the BA perspective. Following that, we will shift to the AdMech teaming up with the Void Dragon for another 15-30 pages. On the last page, it will be a cliff hanger of the Outsider returning and giving orks gauss weapons. Oh, and the 5-10 pages with pictures of BA and Necrons, with the BA in the middle, and partial pictures of the end of a Necron gun, and maybe the foot of another warrior... (I have not seen the codex and have no clue what it will be like)

I don't know what this has to do with hrud, but if the hrud are gonna be in the game, please allow the Necron release to be decent. If the new codex is alright, sure, bring in more armies. If the necron codex is bad, however, for the hrud sake, I hope they don't become a codex and get the necron treatment...