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Hasn't it already been said that it'll bear a lot of similarities to CoH: Online?

Sarpedon_702 wrote:Though that was possibly the best of the new Star Wars movies...that particular part was just well...hmmm it was gay is what it was. But that is another story...that belongs on an entirely different website.

You used gay as a negative adjective. Your argument is invalid.

Goddard wrote:

Sarpedon_702 wrote:Though that was possibly the best of the new Star Wars movies...that particular part was just well...hmmm it was gay is what it was. But that is another story...that belongs on an entirely different website.

You used gay as a negative adjective. Your argument is invalid.

Okay then I choose terrible. That part was terrible. Absolutely awful! I meant no offense, I just couldn't conjure up something good enough to qualify, so as with all bad habits that just won my mental tug of war.

Wait ... Last Stand is available by itself now? Damn I wish I had a better computer.

Sarpedon_702 wrote:Total Warhammer...I wonder if they made a developers kit for that engine the community could easily remake new models to match... Relic did that with most of the tyranid models. I had several mods which the community made the Tyranids a playable race, and they worked well!.

They did a fantasy mod for Medieval 2 total war but it got pulled due to GW not liking it too much

MMO? Well that's where we part company I'm afraid.

And 'free to play' just means 'basic game is free, all the good stuff only arrives via your credit card'.

Is there anyone who played CoH online here? Maybe you could shed some more light on the "mmo" bit

Daston wrote:They did a fantasy mod for Medieval 2 total war but it got pulled due to GW not liking it too much

Wait really?

http://www.moddb.com/mods/call-of-warhammer-total-war

Looks fine to me

IF it ends up going free to play (doubtful as some posters have pointed out given the big licensing fees involved) then I hope it ends up like Team Fortress 2, IMO the only F2P game where you don't pay to win. The buyable stuff in game is either:

1. WORSE than regular stuff, but fun to mess around with / collect, i.e. weapon sets
2. DOES NOTHING, but looks cool / is a status symbol i.e. hats, glowy effects
3. SUPPORTS THE MOD COMMUNITY, i.e. those stamps you can buy where 100% of proceeds go to the devs
4. BETTER than the regular stuff, but with some significant drawback so that at the end of the day player skill still matters more, (i.e. Scattergun vs Force--Nature, or Flamethrower vs Backburner) Its not like if you find the purple shotgun you will suddenly wtfpwn the server

TBH I'm pretty shocked that people would spend 12.99 on a hat that has zero effect on the game aside from looking cool. I guess Valve had some super customer insight that gamers would actually pay money to stick moose antlers on their helmets but I'm not complaining. It keeps the game profitable so the company can keep supporting it thru development and further releases, so I'm all for it.

Meh, as long as paying for stuff is just cosmetic or means nothing I'm fine with it. And that's the current trend for most games lately who have purchasable items.

MMO like doesn't necessarily mean what you guys think, just implies a larger community and more active engagements... I've heard CoH was fantastic, so I'm looking forward to seeing what they have to offer this time.

What free to play means is like diablo. You buy the game, but you play it like an MMO character you level up for free.

I haven't played CoH but I presume it was this same general principle?

I mean TLS is 'mmo-like' in that respect so maybe they'll just expand that a little.

It should be fun though. I do hope there is some building, just not so twitch based like Star/Warcraft is. And more involved than the current DOW2 MP where you just zerg things and hit X when things get bad would be nice too.

Nvs wrote:What free to play means is like diablo. You buy the game, but you play it like an MMO character you level up for free.

Free to Play generally means paying nothing at all, that is an important difference. Nobody would say that Battlefield 2 or Master of Orion 2 are "free to play" just because they come with a free online component, for example.

Yet, given that a company still has to make a profit, money has to be made "elsewhere" -> item shops.

CoH? You guys talking City of Heros?


As to the DOW? All I ever wanted were more expansion campaigns with maybe a new unit or faction here or there. The "DOW2" didn't realy make the grade on that account.

I can dig specialized squads, but running around gthe map trying to play 5-6 differnt caracters, while doing all of the econ stuff really gets old after the first two or three times.

Retribution was ok. Great looking artwork, but they could have done a solid and just kept the same DOW 1 style of play.

The Last Stand and MMO quotes leads me to believe they may make squads where every squad member is controlled by a player.
I wonder how they'll pick the Sgt?

CoH stands for Company of Heroes online. A Free to Play RTS.

Eisenhorn wrote:The Last Stand and MMO quotes leads me to believe they may make squads where every squad member is controlled by a player.
I wonder how they'll pick the Sgt?

Thats the thing.

Players are more likely to BE the Sergeant, or officer, then the minions are the followers that you pick up along the way. You'll more or less probibly be able to give them basic orders, and buffs and let them do thier thing.

I already do that with other games, so it isn't out of the question. after a while though, I can see this being more taxing then fun. You get done giving over 300 guys basic commands your going to be TIRED of them pretty fast. I remember the guys from Diablo. THOSE guys were the suck. Just imagine doing that with Space Marines.

That won't even be DOW anymore.


Thats going to end up DIABLO... in SPAAACCEE!

( wonder if they'll add some thunder cat machines?)


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rabidaskal wrote:IF it ends up going free to play (doubtful as some posters have pointed out given the big licensing fees involved) then I hope it ends up like Team Fortress 2, IMO the only F2P game where you don't pay to win. The buyable stuff in game is either:

1. WORSE than regular stuff, but fun to mess around with / collect, i.e. weapon sets
2. DOES NOTHING, but looks cool / is a status symbol i.e. hats, glowy effects
3. SUPPORTS THE MOD COMMUNITY, i.e. those stamps you can buy where 100% of proceeds go to the devs
4. BETTER than the regular stuff, but with some significant drawback so that at the end of the day player skill still matters more, (i.e. Scattergun vs Force--Nature, or Flamethrower vs Backburner) Its not like if you find the purple shotgun you will suddenly wtfpwn the server

TBH I'm pretty shocked that people would spend 12.99 on a hat that has zero effect on the game aside from looking cool. I guess Valve had some super customer insight that gamers would actually pay money to stick moose antlers on their helmets but I'm not complaining. It keeps the game profitable so the company can keep supporting it thru development and further releases, so I'm all for it.

Rabidskal hit it pretty much on the head. I couldn't have added a truer post there.

Sarpedon_702 wrote:CoH stands for Company of Heroes online. A Free to Play RTS.

CoHO was sadly cancelled. Too bad, I was looking forward to try it. :(

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Company_of_Heroes_Online

The real non-MMO CoH is still available, of course. And it is quite fun to play - if one isn't too averse towards playing a WW2 game, I would recommend it.

Also, any F2P item shop better has pauldrons in addition to hats.

rabidaskal wrote:IF it ends up going free to play (doubtful as some posters have pointed out given the big licensing fees involved) then I hope it ends up like Team Fortress 2, IMO the only F2P game where you don't pay to win.

Well technically to get the FULL EXPERIENCE (find random items, trade, craft) you must buy a $1 upgrade fee or something

but the smallest transaction is $5 so if you want to have the full game its $5. Still they got $1 intro packs that get you weapons and hats so its not a bad deal

But then again I payed $20 for TF2 back then, and it was worth every penny

kenshin620 wrote:But then again I payed $20 for TF2 back then, and it was worth every penny

As did I, and I don't regret it. I'd like a game where its free to play, and the only things you buy are cosmetics and such. Heck, I'd buy a had for my Engineer's Dispenser if I could, and I'd definitely buy a hat for my squad sgt.

Be cool if you could switch from third person shooting to an rts perspective

Yesterday Steam had the most recent DOWII expansion for $14.

I'm gonna play wait and see with this one. It could be good ... and maybe they'll have Chaos in the basic game again. I mean, who cares about Nids? Dirty Xenos lovers - that's who!

I think the biggest issue I've consistently heard about the DOW games, that I think is valid isn't that it fails as a game, but that it fails to deliver a complete "40k" experience by representing a larger number of factions. While I know a lot of people don't like the business model of free to play, pay for content or add-ons.... the one good thing is that business model will better support additional releases to cover other factions and the diversity that can bring.

aka_mythos wrote:I think the biggest issue I've consistently heard about the DOW games, that I think is valid isn't that it fails as a game, but that it fails to deliver a complete "40k" experience by representing a larger number of factions.

You mean DoW2, right? DoW1 featured almost everyone, sans 'nids.

In fact, that was even one of the things it was criticized for - how so many different armies could gather in a single system. Though personally I think the explanation was "good enough" (a bit far-fetched, but I've read much crazier stuff in Codex fluff).

Soulstorm Campaign Intro: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwcIrJJyjxY

Now if only they'd start supporting on board graphics like every other developer in this day and age I'd actually get to play.

carabine wrote:Now if only they'd start supporting on board graphics like every other developer in this day and age I'd actually get to play.

... Like which, actually? I can't think of a single PC AAA title that did support integrated graphics in the last few years, other then maybe WoW. Seems strange to spend developer time on a market segment that explicitly indicated they were not interested in gaming by their choice in hardware purchases.

aka_mythos wrote:Yesterday Steam had the most recent DOWII expansion for $14.

Sadly I missed out on that.

As long as the Blood Ravens don't end up Hurr Durr, should be good.

BASE BUILDING

I hate base building, actually. I was kinda glad to see DoW2 move away from that.

Exact opposite here.

I disliked the removal of base building and the implementation of resource points being evenly spread across the entire map and being absolutely crucial to victory.

Every player who liked to play defensively or turtle(hide then send a giant wave (usually of high tier troops) late game, or win through means other than annihilation, Got completely screwed.

The player now has to be constantly building units, losing units, recapturing points, moving units, attacking with units and capturing points.

It killed a playstlyle. And its one of the reasons why DOW2 was disappointing to a lot of DOW 1 players.

Played Last stand alot however.

I realize that base building doesn't constitute the removal of that playstyle, But the removal of free effective turret building and the inability to do much with in base resources does.

ALSO THAT IS AN AWESOME MOD! Thanks!

A separate thread should be opened to spread awareness of such awesome