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corpsesarefun wrote:
While that is true, Amy winehouse definitely brought it on herself.
Does someone who crosses the road, knowing that there are cars on the road and there is a risk of being hit by one, deserve to die? They take the risk, so have they brought it on themselves?
I've gone out and got drunk plenty of times and during my 20s drank to massive excess, if I had drowned in my own vomit, did I bring it on myself and thereby deny myself you sympathy?
A young girl who became addicted to chemical substances died. It was not her fault in my opinion, others certainly facilitated it. I just think it's a shame and whilst you can compare it to those poor souls in Norway and it can appear on paper to be less deserving, it's still a sad thing to happen, imo.
I agree with you 100%, ive been down that road....it's not a nice road....
I saw this happening the second I heard her 'rehab' song, maybe she should of went and gave it a honest effort. Everyone has problems in their lives, it's what you do about it that sets you appart from the 'unwashed masses of the addict'.
So is it sad, yes, do I care, no, she should of got some help.
Another drug addict blessed with fame, money, and talent winds up dead due to an irresponsible lifestyle.
I find it difficult to feel the least bit sorry for her.
Specially since this last several months has seen the death of my Fiance's father after a relitively quick (3 month) but agonising (for both he and the family) battle with cancer...and a family has been dealt a serious blow.
I have zero sympathy for people who are gifted the adoration of the masses and piss their lives away. It's the epitomy of waste.
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Don't really care what with everything else that has happened lately. Feel sorry for her family/friends and to some extent fans, but not for her. Certainly didn't go OMG when I found out, more a meh.
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corpsesarefun wrote:
While that is true, Amy winehouse definitely brought it on herself.
Does someone who crosses the road, knowing that there are cars on the road and there is a risk of being hit by one, deserve to die? They take the risk, so have they brought it on themselves?
If they idly walked out into it, uncaring about whatever could be screaming at them at 30MpH or more, then yes, yes they do. I constantly see pedestrians stroll out into the middle of the road, expecting every single driver to have a magic "Instant Stop" button to prevent them from being knocked over. People will miss them by millimeters or manage to brake in time or swerve, but the point is that the guy flailing his arms and shouting abuse at the driver who endangered his own life to save the pedestrian's has just had a lucky escape, and is now blaming the driver.
There are laws, such as those about pedestrians at traffic lights and specified crossing points, but if you waltz out in front of a car that is doing 30 down the main road, and you give him a second to brake, then you bloody well deserve what's careering into your body.
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It's sad to see people drink themselves into a stupor, then kill themselves through drink-induced stupidity....
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Also, rehab only helps people that don't enjoy their present lifestyle. Basically, people that don't like their particular vice any longer, but don't know how to get by doing anything else.
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MeanGreenStompa wrote:Does someone who crosses the road, knowing that there are cars on the road and there is a risk of being hit by one, deserve to die? They take the risk, so have they brought it on themselves?
They don't deserve it, but it also isn't a surprise. When you engage in a self-destructive lifestyle like Ms. Winehouse, you should be ready to accept the consequences.
And while I agree that there's a problem with drugs among the abused and those with mental issues, Ms. Winehouse had plenty of opportunity to get help and refused.
It is always easy for those of us without the addictions and addictive personalities to criticise someone's self destructive tendencies.
Am not sure but if it was so easy to get help when addled by drink/drugs we wouldn't be so beset by junkies.
People are making comments based on sound reason, which is the very process lacking in someone influenced by chemicals.
Winehouse was not necessarily in a frame of mind to accept or possibly even refuse help.
Didn't like her music, didn't like her fame. I know there are lots of fans out there who genuinely loved her music. Inevitable. Sad, but inevitable given what she has been through and what she's shown the world already.
Although I liked the 2 or so big songs she had, I don't think I'd call myself a fan. That being said, I think she was very talented, and it's a damn shame she couldn't get her life together.
I have known a great deal of drug addicts and a suprisingly high percentage of them, in my experience, are essentially attention whores who use drugs to cope, and enjoy the addiction-based community that is built around it in the guise of support (AA? Awesome, I can talk about myself and everyone cheers me on!). There are some, though, that are "the real thing", for whom it actually is a disease rather then a poor lifestyle choice. I think she was probably in the latter category; as she had gone to rehab several times to try and stop and truly was unable to.
Saying she brought it on herself is as true as it is tasteless and maybe it's better to say nothing then engaging in morgue rubbernecking with the rest of the internet cool kids.
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I can't help but notice that the more of a shambles Amy Winehouse became, the more people talked about how much talent she had.
It's a shame for her family and friends, not just for their loss but for the media circus they're about to be dragged through.
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She had ability but it got burned
re 27 club
lennon 27
einstien 27
martin luther 27
beethoven 27
why does genius all have to be taken from us at such an early age?
Pretty hard living when you look like this at 27...
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Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
Have never heard any of her music, pretty much avoided it when I saw what drugged out person she was.
Sad since she could have cleaned up and maybe made better stuff, but then she could have cleaned up and made drivel as well.
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